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Mr U Rosler
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I'm actually hoping for less realism this year, I don't want to be reminded of Covid doing the thing I do to escape from the realilty of Covid. (amended budgets are fine)
The current handball interpretation has stopped me watching live football, if its implemented into FM like that it will stop me playing FM as well.
I appreciate they are somewhat duty bound to follow reality, as a compromise I could stomach 1 season of both, after which Si can create there own happy future where both have disappeared.
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Watching with interest.
Not sure how the graphical presentation will come across on someone's 70 inch OLED.
Both the in match representation and the mountains of text outside of match days.
Great to see it on XBOX though, might get one now
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Whilst i'm broadly satisfied with this version of the game, i do find it odd that set pieces could not be slightly toned down with this compensated for with a slightly better conversion rate of chances from open play.
I appreciate even this seemingly straight forward change is difficult to implement with possible knock on effects. Had this been achieved i think we'd be in a pretty good place.
Fingers crossed for FM21.
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12 hours ago, saltgruve said:
Any idea if the new update did anything with the tactic?
I'm having really bad results at the moment.No changes to ME in update.
Still going well for me in the Championship.
Poor results tend to come in clusters, just need to persist and play your way out of it.
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9 minutes ago, saltgruve said:
Do you know if Get Stuck In is favourable over Stay on Feet?
I used Get Stuck In twice now and got direct red cards in both games, although it may be leading to more chances and breaks.
I dont know if those too games were anomalies or not.I've tried both. The tactic is definitely better with get stuck in on.
The press is a bit pointless if you're standing off. You see much more turnovers in dangerous positions with get stuck in on.
A bit risky but worth it. Any player on a Yellow with a rating of 6.4 or lower substitute them in the 2nd half.
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Quick update.
1st season in League 1, made play offs but lost out. 2nd season in League grabbed 2nd spot and automatic promotion.
Wright Phillips was my top man,17 goals & 17 assists, pretty 1 dimensional but a good runner/dribbler and crosser.
Looking forward to consolidating in the Championship for a season or 2 before taking on the big boys in the Prem.
But that's 3 promotions in 4 seasons.
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25 minutes ago, Jonas91 said:
how it is going on skybet league one?
Im doing a similar save with boston . started on VNL North!
1st season in league 1, going well. Suspect automatic promotion will be just out of reach. even though we have a couple of games in hand.
Bit of reputation lag after rapid promotions, struggling to sign league 1 players, central midfied is very weak. But just dumped premier league Norwich out of the FA Cup.
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11 hours ago, saltgruve said:
I wonder about this too due to not having 2 well-rounded midfielders and it seems difficult to fit a magician into this tactic.
With no defensive midfielder we're a bit restricted in what we can do with the central midfield roles. Mezzala's will just vacate the central area and leave us exposed, as will box to box midfielders to some extent.
Perhaps a DLP/s & Box to Box might be a good combo for top teams if you feel you have to change it.
I tend to use 'magicians' in the wingers positions.
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28 minutes ago, saltgruve said:
@Mr U Rosler Have you found any new tactic that works for both good and bad teams yet?
Hi,
I'm running with the 442 at the moment. Aimed more at underdogs but its pretty attacking, should go ok with a high rep team.
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That's back to back promotions (3 if you include the 1 Jim Gannon got for me before i joined
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9 hours ago, topyoyo said:
What about individual position training?
Normally i'd just train to the role, i.e. Strikers train as Pressing Forward attack.
The exception for this are, for example, if i have a young midfielder with strong Defensive qualities already, i might train him as Advanced Playmaker/Attack to bring on his attacking attributes and round him out as a player.
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TRAINING
This year I am employing the same tried and trusted training schedules from last year namely;
PRE-SEASON
MATCH WEEK
DEVELOPMENT WEEK
PRE-SEASON should be employed immediately upon the players return for a new season until the week before your first competitive match. It is designed to recover physical attributes lost during the off season, build team morale, and improving conditioning and injury resistance for the main season.
MATCH WEEK should be employed in any week where you have 2 OR MORE games. Pursuing player attribute development is pointless during these weeks, instead its all about recovery, conditioning and arriving on Match days in the best physical and mental shape possible.
DEVELOPMENT WEEK can be employed if you only have 1 match this week leaving a run of training days to work on coaching and improving players whilst still gearing up for match day.
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Greetings all,Now the final (?) ME update is out and I’ve started my main Stockport save it’s time for a Lower League Special detailing what I’m running with to get me up the leagues.
Whilst holiday testing is ok, nothing beats playing a full season and having just done that with Stockport here are my results.
Very happy with that, Barnet ran us very close and it went to the last game of the season, but a good points total for a team predicted 20th in the league. Broke the goalscoring record for the division and picked up the FA Trophy as well. I added one player to the default squad.
My strongest Striker got his 30 goals, my other 20 so good signs for those who like their strikers to perform well.
The System
The idea was to produce a straight forward 442 with minimal team and player instructions, keeping a simple system which is easy to implement and recruit to its strengths you can plug & play Home & Away.
The strengths of the 442 are the wingplay which we gently encourage by looking for overlaps and the fact that we can run with 2 strikers.
The weakness tends to be a lack of numbers in central midfield, more specifically I like to use 2 support duties here which can cause problems defensively, we mitigate this by the conservative behavior of the Full Backs we are instructed to sit narrow and cover.
The downfall of most 442 system is the insistence on having overlapping Wingbacks on attack duty, whilst it’s the easy option for creating attacking play you are brutally exposed defensively.
Here, our Full Backs tuck in, recycle possession and cover, only venturing forward when it is deemed very safe to do so. Apart from the advantages of this behavior tactically, we can now recruit a different type of Full Back and don’t need to worry about them having to run a half marathon during a game and therefore being unable to play twice a week.
So essentially, whilst we’re banging in crosses for our Strikers the central midfielders remain fairly influential and are able to construct some decent central play as well.
We have the obligatory high press which is still well rewarded in the ME.
The Attacking Mentality sees a nice blend of Counter Attacking and incise Attacks during phases of sustained possession without prolonged passages of passive play.
Left Back takes left corner and throw ins
Right Back takes right corner and throw ins
NO OI's
Plug & Play Home & Away
Once I have a tactical set up I trust, I like to focus on building a team to absolutely fits that system of play. The Full Back behavior in this set up are a good example, we don’t need the quick, agile, dribblers with great stamina and crossing of a Wingback System, here converted Centre Backs are fine, even ideal.
The Defence
We can build a really solid platform here, no reason why all of the back 4 should not be good in the air and quick. You can even go for a Tony Pulis style ‘4 Centre Backs’ approach. As well as being ideal for open play, having 4 strong headers in the team straight from the off is great for both attacking and defensive set pieces. As you move up the league’s you can get more greedy and seek more complete footballers.
Prioritise
Marking
Tackling
Jumping Reach
Acceleration
Positioning
Goal Keepers – Aerial Ability, Handling, Reflexes, One on One’s
Midfield
Working on the principle that ‘a good biggun beats a good littlun’ our central midfielders are required to blend both the Physical & the Technical. We are looking for committed, hard working players with an eye for a pass. They are up against it with only the 2 of them holding the central area of the pitch.
Look for;
Work Rate
Strength
Determination
Tackling
Passing
Wingers
These are the only roles where there is no requirement for physicality, if they have that as well, great, but we are looking for highly mobile ball carriers with a trick or two up their sleeve. They tend to come in small packages. Beat their man, and cross from the byline is what we’re after here.
Prioritise;
Agility
Balance
Acceleration
Dribbling
Crossing
Strikers
Again, the Biggun vs Littlun analogy applies. Despite our request for low crosses, many will come in at head height and it would be a shame not to put them away. As we employ a crossing system we need our strikers strong enough to battle Centre Backs and as pressing forwards, close down opponents and win possession. But ultimately, these are goal scorers and when presented with chances we need them to put their fair share away.
Look for;
Acceleration
Technique
Finishing
Strength
Heading
So, working to this system we have at least 8 Physical Outfield Players giving us a presence in open play and a good chance to outcompete our opponents at set-pieces. The higher up the leagues you go the more technical attributes you can layer on via good recruitment ensuring your standards for strong physical players don’t drop.
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Scored a few headers, missed a few more. No biggie, like real life.
Must admit, seen a lot of great saves in the NATIONAL League. But I'm having very exciting games with loads of chances, without super keepers games would finish 6-4.
Not very realistic but a blast to play.
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12 hours ago, saltgruve said:
Hi i wondered if you have tried using an advanced playmaker on support instead of the enganche, all the players I've used as enganche seem to perform badly and when I use them as AP(S) they seem to perform a bit better.
I don't know though if this will effect the overall performance positively or not.Thanks
Not tried this on the new ME, but using the AP(s) resulted in more goals scored, but more conceded. Over the points tally was better with the Enganche.
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6 minutes ago, Welshace said:
Just a thought.... why not try the game and see what you think yourself..
I will when i'm not at work......
In the meantime it would be good to know what's been changed and what hasn't, contradicting reports on here.
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Just now, Pasonen said:
Loving it! Defenders reacting better and there is central play too. <3 big step forward compared to fm19
Thought they'd only touched on set pieces, how can there be better central play?
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39 minutes ago, Norfair said:
Are you still using the tactic you posted in the tactics forum? I'm on my 5th or 6th year with Everton with that tactic - just very minor tweaks - and it's still doing very well.
Sorry for hi-jack.
Was using the Enganche one until yesterday, working on a 442 now trying to push for Champions League. Looking very high scoring at the moment...... at both ends
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Its not always about tactics.
Need to be incrementally improving your squad, player quality wins out in the end.
That should be straight forward enough until you get to the Premier League, got my Stockport team there easily enough, but can't break into the top 4.
The top teams are full of elite players, elite players won't join Stockport until we win something, its hard to win something when you don't have elite players etc. Lost 2 finals last year, League Cup and Europa League, so getting close.
Just picked up my 1st Elite Midfielder, an English re-gen who'd ended up in Italy, brought him home and he's been immense. Hopefully a watershed moment,
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19 hours ago, lipebtavares said:
In your first tactic you provided the main attributes for each position. Would you like to inform this one too?
Hi,
Most should be fairly obvious; Wingbacks Stamina, Crossing, Passing, Work Rate. Centre Backs Tackling, Jumping Reach, Acceleration, Marking Mezzala Off the Ball, Passing, Vision, Technique. Pressing Forwards Off the ball, Finishing, Technique, Composure.
Couple of key roles to be aware of.
Half Back - Although he doesn't have playmaker status he will be on the ball more than any other player. So think of him as Deep Lying Playmaker. Passing, Vision, Positioning, Tackling
Enganche - They operate much more defensively than you would imagine. They break up play a lot, often in their own half before passing forward to the Strikers or Wingbacks. I made the mistake of playing 'little wizards' here, the small, agile link player wondering why they were not as influential as i thought they should be. Better to think of them as disrupters. Tackle - Pass - Run - Support. I'm favouring a more physical type > Tackling, Work Rate, Passing, Vision
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Ok,
Been playing around with 20.2.4.
Bit tricky in the sense that a tactic that works with 1 team, doesn’t translate well to another?
Weaker teams seem better suited to attacking mentality and stronger teams to positive.
When using Leicester as a testing team I regularly had a 25 point variance from season to season when testing exactly the same tactic. This is using holiday mode. Makes working out when you actually have a good tactic tricky.
Perhaps testing in holiday mode is not effective any more or there are so many factors outside of tactics affecting performance now (morale, form, luck etc) its clouding results.
This is mitigated somewhat by using a top team but you’re still looking at 15 point variance using a top team.
REPUTATION IS KING
Its much easier to play as a team with a low reputation as teams are far more open, reputation adjusts mid-season which is why many people report a drop off in performance in the 2nd part of the season when their previously effective tactic stops working now opposing teams are set up more defensively.
My approach is to create a tactic, first and foremost, which can deal with defensive opponents but is versatile enough to also be effective against teams that do come out and play.
So in terms of producing a tactic which can be used by a variety of teams at different levels, I’ve concentrated on getting something that works consistently well with a top team, shows promise with a weaker team on the basis that those players using weaker teams will improve them via recruitment and be rewarded with a tactic that responds well to an increase in player quality and also becomes more suitable as your reputation increases and teams operate more defensively against you. So a tactic that is future proof if you like.
Real world example.
My Stockport team were predicted 13th, most teams in the 1st half of the season played open against us, we picked up enough points to see a reputation re-adjustment and teams become more defensive in the 2nd half of the season, this suited our tactic even more and pushed on into Europe.
Next season will see a reputation increase again, teams playing more defensively, suiting the tactic yet further supplemented by me being able to sign some better players. And onwards & upwards.
Testing results.
Solid return with City and strong goal difference.
Slightly flattering Leicester result, whilst we finished 4th, the points return was decent but not great. However, Vardy got 40 goals, sign a better 2nd Striker for next season and combined with the reputation increase seeing teams being more defensive, suiting the tactic further, should see the required progress being made. So a tactic that is sufficient becoming more and more suitable for your team.
Anyway, enough waffle, here is the tactic.
No OI’s
Left Wingbacks to take right corners.
Right Wingbacks to take left corners.
Left Wingbacks to take left throw ins.
Right Wingbacks to take right throw ins.
No set piece exploits, if anyone knows any, please let me know!
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17 minutes ago, bleventozturk said:Where did the goals come from? If ManUtd played direct ball, at least I hope the goals came from open play, and not set pieces?
The point is, teams under the cosh, camping in there own half passing sideways and backwards is the antithesis of how they would normally behave. Normally they would concede territory and possession in the hope they can counter an opponent who has over committed, resulting in very low possession and completed passes stats but giving them a chance to score and get a result.
Retaining possession deep in your own half is a characteristic of certain elite teams and is beyond most normal teams, and then its not aimless or prolonged, but based on beating the press and then moving up the pitch.
Very odd behavior.
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10 hours ago, Drads said:
Good results, is that with the original or 4 at the back with IF tactic?
A tweaked version of the original.
I ran it with Man City expecting excellent results but only managed 89 points and barely won the league, not good enough really.
Its obviously a reputation thing with teams sitting in against City, a noticeable drop off in performance in the 2nd half of the season when reputations are re-assessed and teams become EVEN MORE DEFENSIVE!
Got some ideas on this, still tweaking, hoping to get something that's good for both mid-table and also elite teams.
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Having said i'd be happy with 70 points with Leicester season 1, i've just bagged an 86 point season.
Think there is more in the tank, could have a monster on our hands.
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Will anyone be buying FM21?
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I will buy it, but not in a hurry this year for the first time ever.
Will see how it turns out on the new XBOX, see if it comes to stadia, my laptop is showing its age, realised gaming laptops are atrocious and wont be buying another, looking for a better solution.
The Series S looks great value, but I believe FM will be a variant of the Touch Version on this, mixed feelings on this, cant believe it would have the leagues/nations restrictions with a CPU that powerful, it could end up being the best version of the game, fully featured but without press conferences and some of the fluff that gets old quickly.
Will wait for the reviews to come in.