MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Is there a way to combine dynamic relegation with forced B-team relegation when some B-teams play in the normal league pyramid? It seems like these force relegations (when the first team of a B-team relegates, the B-team often has to drop to a lower level as well) prevent the stages of the dynamic relegation system from properly ending. Some competitions do not appoint a champion at the end of the season an they do not restart next season either. I believe a B-team finishing mid-table and then being force relegated, resulting in more relegated teams than planned for with the dynamic relegation, is just one of the problems here. Any ideas or experience with this issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I will try to find solution for this. Created serbian 3 level system with 1 fictional b team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 35 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: I will try to find solution for this. Created serbian 3 level system with 1 fictional b team. Thanks, that's very nice of you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 minute ago, MichielVM said: Thanks, that's very nice of you In my first test without any other settings added - B-team is force relegated right after main team get their relegation fate. I added point deduction to main team so this happened in april. Maybe problem is not that rule - i need to adapt my dynamic relegation system to this. Will test further... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 Weird thing is that the top two leagues do finish, then there is the third level, it does not have dynamic relegation, but the relegated teams are fed into the dynamic relegation from the fourth level onward. This third level does not finish properly, neither do the fourth, fifth or sixth. In the lowest levels (7-9) I grouped the dynamic relegation in one competition per region (there's often more than two competitions per region at that level) and here the competitions with the dynamic relegation stages do not finish, while the other competitions in that region, feeding into those stages do finish. Hopefully the extra information will help find the issue! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, MichielVM said: Weird thing is that the top two leagues do finish, then there is the third level, it does not have dynamic relegation, but the relegated teams are fed into the dynamic relegation from the fourth level onward. This third level does not finish properly, neither do the fourth, fifth or sixth. In the lowest levels (7-9) I grouped the dynamic relegation in one competition per region (there's often more than two competitions per region at that level) and here the competitions with the dynamic relegation stages do not finish, while the other competitions in that region, feeding into those stages do finish. Hopefully the extra information will help find the issue! I changed my system and it works. Force relegation rule is applied right after main team gets their relegation fate (R letter). Will upload my file and save game so you can take a look. Editor file: Test dynamic relegation plus force- B team relegation.fmf Save game: Dynamic relegation - force relegation B teams.fm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: I changed my system and it works. Force relegation rule is applied right after main team gets their relegation fate (R letter). Will upload my file and save game so you can take a look. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 As you can see that "force relegation" rule is applied very early. This was not the case back in fm18 i think. I tried to help some guy from Denmark to create his lower leagues and dynamic relegation was broken because of this. I guess SI fixed this issue because i raised this in bugs section back then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 Does the force relegated team count as one of the teams relegated by the dynamic relegation system? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, MichielVM said: Does the force relegated team count as one of the teams relegated by the dynamic relegation system? Yeah i changed that. Also i changed to hidden stages and everything works. Club history us added also. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 Just now, krlenjushka said: Yeah i changed that. O cool! I will look into your files! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Take a look at Serbian second league Belgrade. This is only division with that change because i added just 1 b team in that division. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I just realized i will have to change something else. Take my league bealgrade as example. I have 2 fixed relegations in that league. Other relegations will be calculated with relegation zone/decider stages. And thats ok. What will happen if i have multiple b teams in that league? If 1 or 2 main teams are relegated from level above - nothing will change. Relegated teams in this league will just change but number will be the same. Now this is question - what if 3 main teams are relegated in level above? Game will use force relegation rule to relegate 3 b teams from this level. Relegation zone stage will find next 4 teams and decider stage will relegate 3 more teams because 3 teams are relegated from league above to this region. We will have 3+3 relegations. We should have 5 total. What will happen with regular leagues if this rule is applied to more teams? This can cause issues to any other leagues - not just to dynamic relegation system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 That is indeed an issue, I'm not sure how to solve that one. I looked into you editor file, I can follow your method, but for that additional problem it might not fully work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 A bit off topic, I created my file in fm21, will there be many issues converting it to 22? I'll have to try at some point anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 You will have problem with team kits for sure. SI changed the way kits are coded - again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: You will have problem with team kits for sure. SI changed the way kits are coded - again. O that sucks, but I'll manage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Upload your file - i will take a look if something can be done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 Ok, here it is! België 0.8.8.9.9.2 tweaks.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 BTW belgium have craziest football system ever! In lower leagues you have fixed promotions, fixed relegations, dynamic relegations, possible promotion playoff and fixed promotion playoff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 Yeah, it's insane, I decided to simplify it as much as I could! It was just not managable for me otherwise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 (edited) I also figured that less moving parts might make the issues I had easier to fix, but it didn't work either way haha Edited December 9, 2021 by MichielVM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 No problem with kits. You have only 71 failed changes in your file. I guess SI fixed kits reading issue with latest patch. Editor 22 still writes kits in rgb way but reads codes from editor 21 without issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 4 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: No problem with kits. You have only 71 failed changes in your file. I guess SI fixed kits reading issue with latest patch. Editor 22 still writes kits in rgb way but reads codes from editor 21 without issues. that's excellent news Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 48 minutes ago, MichielVM said: That is indeed an issue, I'm not sure how to solve that one. I looked into you editor file, I can follow your method, but for that additional problem it might not fully work. I think i can create solution for that. Its only math problem just like dynamic relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, krlenjushka said: I think i can create solution for that. Its only math problem just like dynamic relegation. That would be amazing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Take a look at this: Scenario where 3 main teams are relegated from level above. 3 B teams are force relegated and dynamic relegation system calculates 3 more. Should be 5 but its 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 7 hours ago, krlenjushka said: Take a look at this: Scenario where 3 main teams are relegated from level above. 3 B teams are force relegated and dynamic relegation system calculates 3 more. Should be 5 but its 6. Will there still be 16 teams in that competition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, MichielVM said: Will there still be 16 teams in that competition? No system will be broken after this. Thats why i need to find the solution for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 I see, that is indeed a problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 1 hour ago, MichielVM said: I see, that is indeed a problem. I think i solved this problem. Will upload file and screenshots after test. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 Works with 3 and 4 forced relegations. In normal dynamic relegation system game will relegate 4 more teams because we have 4 relegated teams from above. Now we have 2 - 6 in total as it should be in this scenario. editor file: Force relegation fix.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 10, 2021 Author Share Posted December 10, 2021 Very nice! I will look into your file to see how you did it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 4 hours ago, MichielVM said: Very nice! I will look into your file to see how you did it If you have any question im here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 On 10/12/2021 at 16:07, krlenjushka said: If you have any question im here. In the second stage, what is the total number of teams based upon and what are the numbers of teams in both the top and bottom playoffs in this stage based upon? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krlenjushka Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 Do you have discord? Its to slow to write here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichielVM Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 I sent you a message with my discord Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
endrieq Posted April 12, 2022 Share Posted April 12, 2022 Hi, @krlenjushka! Hi! I am trying to implement your idea into the file with the lower Polish leagues (made by @bartekr), but I am encountering one problem. If the first team is relegated from a higher league, the second team is excluded from the relegation procedure - even if it qualifies for the corresponding phases. You can see this on the example of the team Górnik Łęczna in the file I have uploaded. Leczna.fmf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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