theis Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Park is an extremely strong bench player. No more. A poor starting player imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> "He is free to swap sides - but not before July 1, 2010," Rummenigge told www.welt.de. "This is the last word. If I say this, then that is what it is going to be. He can swap sides on July 1, 2010 - no sooner." </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by James07?: ask for a transfer you curly haired freak. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> poor Matt </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James07? Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by theis: Park is an extremely strong bench player. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> how many games has he improved from the bench? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theis Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by James07?: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by theis: Park is an extremely strong bench player. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> how many games has he improved from the bench? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Ok extremely is maybe quite strong... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_e Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Agree with James, I like Park and all but he's one of those players who is popular through sheer work ethic, not because he can change games. He needs to do more to avoid being a continual squad player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBB Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I refuse to agree because I love "Jonny Spark" © Mr Spleen I see what you mean though :*( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James07? Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I hope he comes good, I really do. But I've not seen enough to really think he'll be more than a bit part player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 It doesnt matter how poor Park or Fletcher are when you have just found a 1989-90 patch for FM. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/showthread.php?t=34204&page=1&pp=50 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: *resists and leaves ACou to bite for me* </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You rang? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor Eddie Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taz & The Devil: It doesnt matter how poor Park or Fletcher are when you have just found a 1989-90 patch for FM. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/showthread.php?t=34204&page=1&pp=50 </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You downloaded this yet ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 right then. a) Taz you are still wrong on Fletcher. I dont care if more people have come to your point of view in recent months.. they're equally wrong. The fact is DF has had a tiny proportion of his time with us, playing in a settled, flowing team in his best position. Large chunks on the right. Large chunks as a 3rd man quite literally given no role other than to be "the guy in between Keane and Scholes". And when you break it down he's had quite a number of good games when these factors aren't hindering him. A few great games as well I might add. The reason people see him as awful is because he's not the most adaptable. He's not a winger and never will be. He also, when playing in the middle, needs to be given proper instructions. Told what his role is. And more often than not he will then do it well. As for Park. Mr 07? is wrong. He DOES make things happen.. he runs at players.. he can get past people. And he's tenacious in the tackle. He wins a far higher percentage of challenges than you may expect given his size and he frequently chases lost causes which enables the team to have a way out. In many ways you could give him the same criticism that some give Ronaldo.. poor "end product" but Ronnie is proving people wrong. So will Park as he develops with us and fits in further with the rest of the side as he gets more games. Quite frankly you should all be utterly ashamed for discussing the faults of Park when O'Shea is STILL in the side. I dont care if we've done it to death. There can never be enough "wtf O'Shea in midfield" remarks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Razor Eddie: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taz & The Devil: It doesnt matter how poor Park or Fletcher are when you have just found a 1989-90 patch for FM. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/showthread.php?t=34204&page=1&pp=50 </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You downloaded this yet ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I know some people who have, has the class of 92 all in the youth academy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 wtf? O'Shea in midfield? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I was so enraged I had an a) then just waffled straight onto a non-existant b) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor Eddie Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Razor Eddie: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taz & The Devil: It doesnt matter how poor Park or Fletcher are when you have just found a 1989-90 patch for FM. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/showthread.php?t=34204&page=1&pp=50 </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You downloaded this yet ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I know some people who have, has the class of 92 all in the youth academy </div></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Please wait while the download server is contacted... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I get that far, and then nothing. Except that feckin' mosquito ad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I noticed tbh, Fletcher and O'Shea are symptomatic of the decline in quality at the club over the last 2 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Razor Eddie: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Razor Eddie: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taz & The Devil: It doesnt matter how poor Park or Fletcher are when you have just found a 1989-90 patch for FM. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/showthread.php?t=34204&page=1&pp=50 </div></BLOCKQUOTE> You downloaded this yet ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I know some people who have, has the class of 92 all in the youth academy </div></BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Please wait while the download server is contacted... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I get that far, and then nothing. Except that feckin' mosquito ad. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Go to page 4 and use the megaupload link, it works. Playing it now. Going to have the class of 92 as first teamers all aged 14. Signed a 17 year old Roy Keane too. Oh and i Sold Robbo to finance a bid for Gazza. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Argh, die mosquito ad, that's been my nemesis in the last week on photobucket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palahnuik Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taz & The Devil: It doesnt matter how poor Park or Fletcher are when you have just found a 1989-90 patch for FM. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/showthread.php?t=34204&page=1&pp=50 </div></BLOCKQUOTE> If only my mouse was working so I could play that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 O'Shea in midfield isundoubtedly a sign of decline. Fletcher is and always will be very good when he's playing next to someone non sh*t in a proper midfield line up. I remain convinced he's had very few games in this scenario but when he has, he's largely done well. tbf I'm conceding here that he's not going to be a one man, drag us through single handedly, type player for us... but he's certainly far FAR above being just some backup player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: Argh, die mosquito ad, that's been my nemesis in the last week on photobucket. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Same And it's frequently been links posted by you **** Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Yeah, it was me uploading them that did it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 wtf O'Shea in midfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: wtf O'Shea in midfield </div></BLOCKQUOTE> WHAT disgrace I'd rather Fletcher. Or Park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: wtf O'Shea in midfield </div></BLOCKQUOTE> WHAT disgrace I'd rather Fletcher. Or Park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razor Eddie Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taz & The Devil: Go to page 4 and use the megaupload link, it works. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> \o/ Cheers, Taz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ACou2000: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: wtf O'Shea in midfield </div></BLOCKQUOTE> WHAT disgrace I'd rather Fletcher. Or Park. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> There was a good feature in RI this month, a fake season preview mocking how David Jones won't ever get to play. Stuff like: "O'Shea and Fletcher lose a leg each in freak accident, but Jones misses out when Fergie chooses to tie their legs together forming the new signing Darren O'Shea. Ferguson commented that it was the most mobile he'd seen them in years." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 /o\ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palahnuik Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Palahnuik: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taz & The Devil: It doesnt matter how poor Park or Fletcher are when you have just found a 1989-90 patch for FM. http://www.thedugout.tv/community/showthread.php?t=34204&page=1&pp=50 </div></BLOCKQUOTE> If only my mouse was working so I could play that... </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Correction. If only I had a mouse. I've just thrown at next doors dog. Keyboard only navigation ftw \o/. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 "With United's midfield injury crisis going from bad to worse, an eager, confident David Jones says he is ready to seize his chance and prove that he can step up to the challenge. However, Fergie opts to play Darren Fletcher, currently laid up with ricketts, and John O'Shea, recovering from an operation to staple his stomach, in their hospital beds. "I'm not worried, they've got wheels haven't they?" A bit of oil in the and they'll move around like greased lightning, there's no doubt about that" says Ferguson." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark g Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 For all that Taz always liked to compare Fletcher to how Scholes and Beckham were at 22, he's better than Carrick was at that age. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mark g: For all that Taz always liked to compare Fletcher to how Scholes and Beckham were at 22, he's better than Carrick was at that age. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah but Taz doesnt like Carrick either. Seemed to be quite happy to say he'd written him off already iirc. Tax ifc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Tax/Taz same thing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 hahaha oiling up John O'Shea BUMMERS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mark g: For all that Taz always liked to compare Fletcher to how Scholes and Beckham were at 22, he's better than Carrick was at that age. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> But then that brings questions like "is Carrick good enough for Man Utd if we want to be what we once were?". Plus i have never been a fan of Michael Carrick either and am waiting to see how he does for us. Although you are right in saying Scholes and Beckham were two world class players and i think 99% of us would agree that is something Fletcher will never be so to compare the three is unfair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark g Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by ACou2000: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mark g: For all that Taz always liked to compare Fletcher to how Scholes and Beckham were at 22, he's better than Carrick was at that age. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Yeah but Taz doesnt like Carrick either. Seemed to be quite happy to say he'd written him off already iirc. Tax ifc </div></BLOCKQUOTE> IIRC Taz didn't have a problem with Carrick as a player, just that we overpaid and that he wasn't the type of midfielder that should be our priority, both of which i agree with. But maybe he didn't say any of that and i'm just using it as an excuse to tell you what i think instead Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by mark g: IIRC Taz didn't have a problem with Carrick as a player, just that we overpaid and that he wasn't the type of midfielder that should be our priority, both of which i agree with. But maybe he didn't say any of that and i'm just using it as an excuse to tell you what i think instead </div></BLOCKQUOTE> While i have never been a fan of Michael Carrick my main problems with the transfer and the ones stressed more than once were what you said above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Taz had a go at Carrick for having Fletchers "hugging tackles" IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 If we got Hargreaves or similar AS WELL... then Carrick was a perfect signing. If we had to choose one, granted I'd rather the former Carrick is still class though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mika Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I remember Taz being lynched for slating Park after 45mins of his first pre-season game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: Taz had a go at Carrick for having Fletchers "hugging tackles" IIRC. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> iirc that was a joke about the way people tackled, something about a mix between Fletchers cuddling way of tackling and Scholes mis-timed way of tackling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: I remember Taz being lynched for slating Park after 45mins of his first pre-season game </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Deserved far worse than lynching Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Carrick's defensive weakness overplayed too imo He knows where to be. Exactly the opposite to JOS atm who clearly NEVER knows where to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: I remember Taz being lynched for slating Park after 45mins of his first pre-season game </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I said his performance was crap, it was. In fact he was crap all of the last pre season and wasnt much cop either. The problem with this place is you arent allowed to say when someone has had a crap game unless he is called Silvestre or Ronaldo without people jumping on you for not giving people a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Taz & The Devil: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Mika: I remember Taz being lynched for slating Park after 45mins of his first pre-season game </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I said his performance was crap, it was. In fact he was crap all of the last pre season and wasnt much cop this season either. The problem with this place is you arent allowed to say when someone has had a crap game unless he is called Silvestre or Ronaldo without people jumping on you for not giving people a chance. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
theis Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Well with Silvestre it isn't that he had a crap game. Just an astonishingly school boy 10 seconds of one usually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 nah you can say someone had a bad game. It's what you infer from that one game that makes people annoyed. Also saying Fletcher had a bad game when he clearly didnt frustrates me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACou2000 Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 oh yeah btw I finally saw the highlights including Silvestre's c*ck-up leading to goalscoring chance which I predicted. Then again a monkey could have predicted that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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