Bundesliga Data discussion

Why does Jude Bellingham still have a variable PA ? 

I get that he's only 19, but he's incredibly mature for his age, and has 3 full seasons of professional first team football under his belt.

Surely that should warrant moving on to a Fixed PA.

7 minutes ago, WanderersWay said:

Why does Jude Bellingham still have a variable PA ? 

I get that he's only 19, but he's incredibly mature for his age, and has 3 full seasons of professional first team football under his belt.

Surely that should warrant moving on to a Fixed PA.

Because he is only 19.

1 minute ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Because he is only 19.

I thought the whole point of variable PA was to account for not really knowing how young talent was going to turn out. Bellingham has a serious amount of elite-level first team football under his belt, more than practically anyone his age. 

You guys had Pedri on last years edition as a fixed PA for these exact reasons, and he was a year younger than Bellingham is now. Just a thought. 

Nico Schlotterbeck has been one of the best center backs in the world this season, and last season had an incredible breakout. However on Dortmund, he's only got the ability to be the 3rd best on the team? never mind best in the league
. 
Here's his stats from FBref for the last 365 days vs his in game stats
He's an incredible ball progressing centre back whos consistently involved in the offensive third, and that isnt reflected in his technicals , and at 13 heading, he's being a bit undersung. He needs a stat boost to be closer at the very least to the llevel of his counterparts at Dortmund, and elsewhere in the Bundesliga.
for comparison here are Niklas Sule's stats and in game attributes


One thing to note here is that Schlotterbeck completed over 2x more successful dribbles per game, and was much more involved in the offensive third in xG xA and shot creating actions, yet its reflected that he's a worse/equal player in the specific areas he excels in. 
Additionally Reus is overrated, especially compared to Haller coming off of a Eridivise and dutch golden boot. 

For the record I am a Union fan, I was just disappointed to see a top German talent be so undervalued. 
I hope this is changed before the game is released, otherwise even if I'm managing in another league entirely, I'll be boosting him myself in the editor.

9 hours ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Because he is only 19.

That's not really much of an answer when he's got more games under his belt at top flight than most 22 year olds, 19 caps, and a captains armband.

9 hours ago, srcCyn said:

That's not really much of an answer when he's got more games under his belt at top flight than most 22 year olds, 19 caps, and a captains armband.

That's the answer. We feel there's still plenty of randomness that can be attributed to the player - who has enormous potential by the way, in the entire PA range. Most, if not all 19 and 20 year olds should still have a minus potential.

9 hours ago, srcCyn said:

Nico Schlotterbeck has been one of the best center backs in the world this season, and last season had an incredible breakout. However on Dortmund, he's only got the ability to be the 3rd best on the team? never mind best in the league
. 
Here's his stats from FBref for the last 365 days vs his in game stats
He's an incredible ball progressing centre back whos consistently involved in the offensive third, and that isnt reflected in his technicals , and at 13 heading, he's being a bit undersung. He needs a stat boost to be closer at the very least to the llevel of his counterparts at Dortmund, and elsewhere in the Bundesliga.
for comparison here are Niklas Sule's stats and in game attributes


One thing to note here is that Schlotterbeck completed over 2x more successful dribbles per game, and was much more involved in the offensive third in xG xA and shot creating actions, yet its reflected that he's a worse/equal player in the specific areas he excels in. 
Additionally Reus is overrated, especially compared to Haller coming off of a Eridivise and dutch golden boot. 

For the record I am a Union fan, I was just disappointed to see a top German talent be so undervalued. 
I hope this is changed before the game is released, otherwise even if I'm managing in another league entirely, I'll be boosting him myself in the editor.

That's some excellent feedback. Data is now locked - but we will continuously evaluate the players - and we will take this onboard. Do bear in mind that Schlotterbeck is a good player and can grow into a player who is better than any Dortmund player currently.

Eintracht Frankfurt Stadium expansion to a capacity 60.000 to the new Season 23/24.

https://www.sport1.de/news/fussball/2022/04/frankfurt-stadion-wird-um-11000-stehplatze-erweitert

Frankfurt has a stadium sponsor of 5Mio. each year.

https://www.stadionwelt.de/news/20835/eintracht-bestaetigt-naming-right-deal

Can we add the following staff to the FM23 database please?

 

Brad Franco Fitness coach    FC Koln

https://fc.de/fc-info/mannschaften/profis-maenner/kader/spieler-detailseite/player/show/brad-franco/

https://fc.de/de/fc-info/mannschaften/profis-maenner/kader/

 

Benjamin Liedtke  Head of Youth Development   St Pauli

https://www.fcstpauli.com/teams/nachwuchs/mitarbeiterstarinnen/

https://www.fcstpauli.com/media/139495/organigramm-nlz-august-2022.pdf

 

Stephan Lerch U19 Manager  Hoffenheim

https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/en/teams/academy/u19/team-u19-en/

https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/en/teams/academy/u19/team-u19-en/einzelportraet/show/stephan-ler

I spotted something at Werder Bremen. They have a second team, an U21-Team and an U19-Team. In reality, an U21-Team doesn’t exist. There is only Werder Bremen II (also called as U23) in Regionalliga Nord and the U19 in Jugend-Bundesliga. 
 

In addition, Oliver Burke should have a higher CA. He already scored at his appearances. In comparison to e.g. Marlon Mustapha (Mainz) he is way to weak.

vor 23 Minuten schrieb frapfrap1.:

I spotted something at Werder Bremen. They have a second team, an U21-Team and an U19-Team. In reality, an U21-Team doesn’t exist. There is only Werder Bremen II (also called as U23) in Regionalliga Nord and the U19 in Jugend-Bundesliga. 
 

 

I can´t see any problem with this.

There is SV Werder Bremen, SV Werder Bremen II and SV Werder Bremen III.

Werder Bremen is playing in the Bundesliga

SV Werder Bremen III (SV Werder Bremen U21)
Playing in the Bremen League (https://www.fussball.de/mannschaft/sv-werder-bremen-iii-werder-bremen-bremen/-/saison/2223/team-id/011MIAVGRC000000VTVG0001VTR8C1K7#!/)

And SV Werder Bremen II playing in the Regionalliga Nord (https://www.kicker.de/werder-bremen-ii/info)

Edited October 26, 2022 by Fire_03

21 hours ago, kb1000 said:

Can we add the following staff to the FM23 database please?

 

Brad Franco Fitness coach    FC Koln

https://fc.de/fc-info/mannschaften/profis-maenner/kader/spieler-detailseite/player/show/brad-franco/

https://fc.de/de/fc-info/mannschaften/profis-maenner/kader/

 

Benjamin Liedtke  Head of Youth Development   St Pauli

https://www.fcstpauli.com/teams/nachwuchs/mitarbeiterstarinnen/

https://www.fcstpauli.com/media/139495/organigramm-nlz-august-2022.pdf

 

Stephan Lerch U19 Manager  Hoffenheim

https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/en/teams/academy/u19/team-u19-en/

https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/en/teams/academy/u19/team-u19-en/einzelportraet/show/stephan-ler

Will be added - if I can find their date or year or birth, but not for the final release unfortunately.

39 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Will be added - if I can find their date or year or birth, but not for the final release unfortunately.

Stephan Lerch DOB link below

https://www.tsg-hoffenheim.de/en/teams/academy/u19/team-u19-en/einzelportraet/show/stephan-lerch

Benjamin Liedtke  2021 Article below states age 

https://www.fcstpauli.com/news/nlz-leiter-benjamin-liedtke-im-jahresruckblick-2021/ 

 

Brad franco- proving hard to find any information

vor 8 Stunden schrieb Fire_03:

I can´t see any problem with this.

There is SV Werder Bremen, SV Werder Bremen II and SV Werder Bremen III.

Werder Bremen is playing in the Bundesliga

SV Werder Bremen III (SV Werder Bremen U21)
Playing in the Bremen League (https://www.fussball.de/mannschaft/sv-werder-bremen-iii-werder-bremen-bremen/-/saison/2223/team-id/011MIAVGRC000000VTVG0001VTR8C1K7#!/)

And SV Werder Bremen II playing in the Regionalliga Nord (https://www.kicker.de/werder-bremen-ii/info)

That‘s right but Werder Bremen III is more like an amateur team. They would never let promising talents play for them.

In game its used as a team for the best U19 players. U19 has a higher level than Bremen III, which is not reflected in the game. 

vor 1 Stunde schrieb frapfrap1.:

That‘s right but Werder Bremen III is more like an amateur team. They would never let promising talents play for them.

In game its used as a team for the best U19 players. U19 has a higher level than Bremen III, which is not reflected in the game. 

Thats not the problem you have raised before. You told there is no 3rd Werder Bremen team, but it is.

To avoid the problem you have told me now, therefore we could set a minimum age restriction (older 19 years old) for the Werder Bremen III, so they won´t have any Youth players in their squad.

But this is unfortunately not possible before the next update.

Has anyone raised the issue of the seasonal expectations for Hertha Berlin yet?

They are expecting you to get Europa League in season 1 and then challenge to be 'best of the rest' thereafter - this seems a bit much?

Past few seasons they have been relegation candidates and so far this season are 13th (and coach Schwarz isn't under massive pressure). I know there's been significant investment in the last 3 years or so, but this has been cut back a bit now and although they'd love to be challenging for Europe, I think there is a realistic expectation that it will take a few years yet to get there.

9 minutes ago, Sport Lacost said:

Has anyone raised the issue of the seasonal expectations for Hertha Berlin yet?

They are expecting you to get Europa League in season 1 and then challenge to be 'best of the rest' thereafter - this seems a bit much?

Past few seasons they have been relegation candidates and so far this season are 13th (and coach Schwarz isn't under massive pressure). I know there's been significant investment in the last 3 years or so, but this has been cut back a bit now and although they'd love to be challenging for Europe, I think there is a realistic expectation that it will take a few years yet to get there.

Nope, and it does.  Not really sure how this happens to be honest. 

20 minutes ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Nope, and it does.  Not really sure how this happens to be honest. 

Thanks for the reply! Is there anything we can do to change this ahead of release? Just makes it a bit unrealistic playing with them.

Just now, Sport Lacost said:

Thanks for the reply! Is there anything we can do to change this ahead of release? Just makes it a bit unrealistic playing with them.

Highly unlikely, but are you getting fired?

3 hours ago, Jeroen Thijssen said:

Highly unlikely, but are you getting fired?

I haven't finished the season yet. I'm currently in Feb and sit 8th.

I believe my rating with the board is currently a D.

Hi Guys, I just started the beta for the first time to check out my favorite club VfB Stuttgart. First of all, I have to say that your ratings of the young talent like Seimen, Ulrich, Di Benedetto are very good, I see little room for improvement there. Nevertheless, I have found a few points in the club that can be corrected.

Staff:

Thomas Hitzlsperger istn't the Chairperson anymore. He left the club in March 2022. Alexander Wehrle is his successor.

https://www.vfb.de/de/vfb/aktuell/neues/club/2022/thomas-hitzlsperger/

Claus Vogt isn't the managing director, he is the president of the club.

https://www.vfb.de/de/1893/club/vfb-e-v-/organe-des-vfb-e-v-/

Sami Khedira isn't a scout. Together with Philipp Lahm, he advises CEO Alexander Wehrle.

https://www.vfb.de/de/vfb/aktuell/neues/club/2022/erweiterte-strukturen-sport/

 

Pellegrino Matarazzo and Michael Kammermeyer got sacked a few weeks ago, but I would not change that, because VfB Stuttgart will announce in Winter. Michael Wimmer remains interim coach for the time being.

 

Jan Schimpchen is not a traditional fitness coach, he's a "performance analyst" and monitors players' fitness levels via data. So I would make him a Sports Scientist and would upgrade his Analysing Data and Sport Science stats.

https://www.vfb.de/de/vfb/profis/kader/2223/jan-schimpchen/steckbrief/

 

Uli Schier must be added as a scout for the senior squad.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/uli-schier/profil/trainer/22269

 

Amdom Ghebru is chief scout of the youth department.

https://www.vfb.de/de/vfb/aktuell/neues/junge-wilde/2021/verpflichtung-amdom-ghebru/

 

Paul Tolasz is chief coordinator at Youth Scouting. He came from TSG Hoffenheim this year.

https://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de/inhalt.vfb-stuttgart-paul-tolasz-verstaerkt-den-nachwuchsbereich.30373351-ac4b-4037-8606-36053e41ea78.html

 

Michael Stügelmaier is a sports scientist in the youth department. He also now has a doctorate from his dissertation on performance diagnostics in youth football. So I would improve him significantly in the stats sports science and youth work.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dr-michael-stügelmaier-1a931221a_nachdem-ich-vor-fast-genau-einem-jahr-meine-activity-6991693906602041344-I2H9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

 

Zoran Rajcic is a Physio for the senior squad.

https://www.vfb.de/de/vfb/profis/kader/2223/zoran-rajcic/steckbrief/

 

Sebastian Hägele is an assistance coach for the U19.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/sebastian-hagele/profil/trainer/107637

 

Philipp Lang is the fitness coach for the U19.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/philipp-lang/profil/trainer/11302

 

Tobias Kiess is the Physio for the U19.

https://www.vfb.de/de/1893/junge-wilde/u19/kader/kader/

 

VfB Stuttgart II

Rei Okada is a right back and plays for the second team since this summer.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/rei-okada/profil/spieler/924815

 

Lukas Sonnenwald is a very physical player with a body like a bodybuilder. I would give him a much better physique and strength.

 

Anrie Chase needs to be added. He moved  to the VfB U21 in summer although he could still play U19. He is considered very dynamic and athletic, but still has technical and tactical weaknesses.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/anrie-chase/profil/spieler/948537

 

VfB Stuttgart U19

Noah Dotzauer and Lucca Telles Villalobos needs to be added as back up keepers behind Seimen.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/noah-dotzauer/profil/spieler/719232

https://www.transfermarkt.de/lucca-telles-villalobos/profil/spieler/907477

 

Leon Reichardt is the captain of the U19 and german U19 national player. He trained very often with the senior team last season, as they rate him quite high. For me he is a little bit to low rated overall.

 

Peter Reinhardt plays this season mainly as a central defender in the U19. He is also taller than 180 cm(more like 185 cm) and his biggest strength is his physicality. Three points in strength are far too few.

 

Facilities

I would upgrade the youth training to 6/7. Stuttgart has improved a lot in the youth department in recent years. The head of youth Thomas Krücken has restructured the entire youth department. For example, he has established a unique potential training for youth players. Here, about 50% of the training content in small groups to the potential of the players to develop each player a "weapon". One could achieve thereby in the last years clear successes. The U19 was in 2019 and 2022 German U19 DFB Youth Cup winner. The U17 team was German runner-up in 2022.  The 2005 cohort is the first cohort in which all players have undergone this training concept since the U15. Six of these players signed a professional contract this summer and are considered top European talents such as Dennis Seimen, Samuele Di Benedetto and Laurin Ulrich. Another indication of the good youth training: in this year's U17 European Championship, VfB Stuttgart had the most nominated players of all German clubs with seven players.

https://www.kicker.de/was_braucht_der_vfb_spieler_im_jahr_2024_-763651/artikel

 

 

These were my additions that I discovered at first sight. I hope it is not too much input. It would be great to see some suggestions in the full version. This would make my VfB Stuttgart Save perfect If you have any questions let me know.

Edited November 1, 2022 by Pyro1893

Two things that stood out to me for VfB Stuttgart:

- Naouirou Ahamada having 1 for 'off the ball' seems odd as he's actually quite good with his offensive movement.

- Juan Perea actually speaks English pretty well. Here's an interview with him: 

 

12 hours ago, Heisen6er9 said:

Two things that stood out to me for VfB Stuttgart:

- Naouirou Ahamada having 1 for 'off the ball' seems odd as he's actually quite good with his offensive movement.

- Juan Perea actually speaks English pretty well. Here's an interview with him: 

 

That one stands out like a sore thumb. Looks like a human error where it should be 10 or 11 but somehow turned into a 1 

Setting English for Perea to good.

On 01/11/2022 at 17:30, Pyro1893 said:

Hi Guys, I just started the beta for the first time to check out my favorite club VfB Stuttgart. First of all, I have to say that your ratings of the young talent like Seimen, Ulrich, Di Benedetto are very good, I see little room for improvement there. Nevertheless, I have found a few points in the club that can be corrected.

Staff:

Thomas Hitzlsperger istn't the Chairperson anymore. He left the club in March 2022. Alexander Wehrle is his successor.

https://www.vfb.de/de/vfb/aktuell/neues/club/2022/thomas-hitzlsperger/

Claus Vogt isn't the managing director, he is the president of the club.

https://www.vfb.de/de/1893/club/vfb-e-v-/organe-des-vfb-e-v-/

Sami Khedira isn't a scout. Together with Philipp Lahm, he advises CEO Alexander Wehrle.

https://www.vfb.de/de/vfb/aktuell/neues/club/2022/erweiterte-strukturen-sport/

 

Pellegrino Matarazzo and Michael Kammermeyer got sacked a few weeks ago, but I would not change that, because VfB Stuttgart will announce in Winter. Michael Wimmer remains interim coach for the time being.

 

Jan Schimpchen is not a traditional fitness coach, he's a "performance analyst" and monitors players' fitness levels via data. So I would make him a Sports Scientist and would upgrade his Analysing Data and Sport Science stats.

https://www.vfb.de/de/vfb/profis/kader/2223/jan-schimpchen/steckbrief/

 

 

 Uli Schier must be added as a scout for the senior squad.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/uli-schier/profil/trainer/22269

 

Amdom Ghebru is chief scout of the youth department.

https://www.vfb.de/de/vfb/aktuell/neues/junge-wilde/2021/verpflichtung-amdom-ghebru/

 

Paul Tolasz is chief coordinator at Youth Scouting. He came from TSG Hoffenheim this year.

https://www.stuttgarter-nachrichten.de/inhalt.vfb-stuttgart-paul-tolasz-verstaerkt-den-nachwuchsbereich.30373351-ac4b-4037-8606-36053e41ea78.html

 

Michael Stügelmaier is a sports scientist in the youth department. He also now has a doctorate from his dissertation on performance diagnostics in youth football. So I would improve him significantly in the stats sports science and youth work.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/dr-michael-stügelmaier-1a931221a_nachdem-ich-vor-fast-genau-einem-jahr-meine-activity-6991693906602041344-I2H9?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

 

Zoran Rajcic is a Physio for the senior squad.

https://www.vfb.de/de/vfb/profis/kader/2223/zoran-rajcic/steckbrief/

 

Sebastian Hägele is an assistance coach for the U19.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/sebastian-hagele/profil/trainer/107637

 

Philipp Lang is the fitness coach for the U19.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/philipp-lang/profil/trainer/11302

 

Tobias Kiess is the Physio for the U19.

https://www.vfb.de/de/1893/junge-wilde/u19/kader/kader/

 

VfB Stuttgart II

Rei Okada is a right back and plays for the second team since this summer.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/rei-okada/profil/spieler/924815

 

Lukas Sonnenwald is a very physical player with a body like a bodybuilder. I would give him a much better physique and strength.

 

Anrie Chase needs to be added. He moved  to the VfB U21 in summer although he could still play U19. He is considered very dynamic and athletic, but still has technical and tactical weaknesses.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/anrie-chase/profil/spieler/948537

 

VfB Stuttgart U19

Noah Dotzauer and Lucca Telles Villalobos needs to be added as back up keepers behind Seimen.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/noah-dotzauer/profil/spieler/719232

https://www.transfermarkt.de/lucca-telles-villalobos/profil/spieler/907477

 

Leon Reichardt is the captain of the U19 and german U19 national player. He trained very often with the senior team last season, as they rate him quite high. For me he is a little bit to low rated overall.

 

Peter Reinhardt plays this season mainly as a central defender in the U19. He is also taller than 180 cm(more like 185 cm) and his biggest strength is his physicality. Three points in strength are far too few.

 

Facilities

I would upgrade the youth training to 6/7. Stuttgart has improved a lot in the youth department in recent years. The head of youth Thomas Krücken has restructured the entire youth department. For example, he has established a unique potential training for youth players. Here, about 50% of the training content in small groups to the potential of the players to develop each player a "weapon". One could achieve thereby in the last years clear successes. The U19 was in 2019 and 2022 German U19 DFB Youth Cup winner. The U17 team was German runner-up in 2022.  The 2005 cohort is the first cohort in which all players have undergone this training concept since the U15. Six of these players signed a professional contract this summer and are considered top European talents such as Dennis Seimen, Samuele Di Benedetto and Laurin Ulrich. Another indication of the good youth training: in this year's U17 European Championship, VfB Stuttgart had the most nominated players of all German clubs with seven players.

https://www.kicker.de/was_braucht_der_vfb_spieler_im_jahr_2024_-763651/artikel

 

 

These were my additions that I discovered at first sight. I hope it is not too much input. It would be great to see some suggestions in the full version. This would make my VfB Stuttgart Save perfect If you have any questions let me know.

Thank you for some excellent feedback

- Hitzlsperger, hmm, we had him set until end of October - so that's why he still appears. Wehrle is there, so this should be fixed for next updates.
- Vogt - we don't have the role of president. it's a bit like chiarman, that's already for Wehrle (and Hitzlsperger before) - so this is the best we can do.
- Khedira - another role that's not really in the game. Director is a bit too high really, but we do feel like giving him something. Because he is focused on structure in some area, we did feel scout could be useful - but it's not ideal no.
- Materazzo - This happened in between the data deadline for our beta and beyond, will be set in full game.
- Schimpchen - That makes sense
- Ghebru - We have him set as scout/academy scout. Academy scout would be correct, but then he will not appear in game - so we've added the scouting role to him as a solution
- Tolasz, actually similar then, but we didn't add him to the database yet.
- Stugelmaier - ok
- Rajcic - requested from Croatian researcher
- Hägele - created and added
- Lang - added
- Sonnenwald tweaked

- Okada, Chase created
- Dotzauer & Telles transferred from Augsburg
- Reichardt - improved a bit
- Reinhardt - will have randomly generated attributes

Facilities:
I have no idea where you get those numbers from, but I can indicate that the rating are quite high already. We don't need to change them further. I would say they are spot on and good in general comparing to German clubs.

Questions:

- Schier - He should be added, but we're really looking for a date or year of birth too,  same for Tobias Kiess

vor einer Stunde schrieb Jeroen Thijssen:

Thank you for some excellent feedback

- Hitzlsperger, hmm, we had him set until end of October - so that's why he still appears. Wehrle is there, so this should be fixed for next updates.
- Vogt - we don't have the role of president. it's a bit like chiarman, that's already for Wehrle (and Hitzlsperger before) - so this is the best we can do.
- Khedira - another role that's not really in the game. Director is a bit too high really, but we do feel like giving him something. Because he is focused on structure in some area, we did feel scout could be useful - but it's not ideal no.
- Materazzo - This happened in between the data deadline for our beta and beyond, will be set in full game.
- Schimpchen - That makes sense
- Ghebru - We have him set as scout/academy scout. Academy scout would be correct, but then he will not appear in game - so we've added the scouting role to him as a solution
- Tolasz, actually similar then, but we didn't add him to the database yet.
- Stugelmaier - ok
- Rajcic - requested from Croatian researcher
- Hägele - created and added
- Lang - added
- Sonnenwald tweaked

- Okada, Chase created
- Dotzauer & Telles transferred from Augsburg
- Reichardt - improved a bit
- Reinhardt - will have randomly generated attributes

Facilities:
I have no idea where you get those numbers from, but I can indicate that the rating are quite high already. We don't need to change them further. I would say they are spot on and good in general comparing to German clubs.

Questions:

- Schier - He should be added, but we're really looking for a date or year of birth too,  same for Tobias Kiess

Thank you very much for the improvements and explanations. That will spice up my game experience