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I'm very curious about the tactical changes. A bit disappointed that the team shape concept isn't gone. Firm hope that there is more creative freedom nuance (much more expressive, much more disciplined) to mitigate the team shape settings. I'm also hoping that a defensive width setting has been implemented, and that one of the new player roles is a striker role that actually tracks back to midfield, so that you can get everyone behind the ball in defense.
Apart from that: the first look is promising. Player dynamics and squad hierarchy are features that make the game even more realistic. Looking forward to the beta!
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The board wants me to play 'direct football', but even though I've maxed oud the passing length in the team instructions and player instructions and use the 'more through balls' instruction, the board is very unhappy with the playing style of the team.
What are the criteria they base their opinion on? The number of long passes in the post-match analysis? Or other factors?
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Are there acutally good working tactics that *don't* make you have more possession than (big) opponents? Almost all tactics in this section guarantee huge loads of possession, even with smaller teams versus big teams.
So I'm looking for a good, solid, physical tactic that makes the opponent have the ball.
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10 hours ago, Rashidi said:
Apart from the advice given, I'd look at hidden attributes like sportsmanship and dirtiness too.
Thanks. Can those attributes be increased? And if so: how?
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2 minutes ago, brookie1402 said:
I'd say 'get stuck in', 'press more', and 'tighter marking' are a good start but as with everything related to tactics it depends on your players attributes.
Thanks! Although it can't entirely depend on players' attributes, can it? IRL, a team can choose to play in an intimidating, personal manner in one game and in a cautious way in the other. Do you think mentality is a factor in this? (Higher risk = more daring challenges?)
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How can you make your team play with so called fighting spirit? Players with high agression surely help, but what tactical instructions implement grit in your team, make your team play dirty and agressive? Lots of sliding tackles, strong charges etc. Does mentality play a part in this? Closing down?
I use the 'tackle harder' and 'tight marking' instructions atm, with counter mentality and very fluid team shape, but still, in most situations, my players stand off, even those with (moderate) high aggression attributes, even when the opponent is very near,
Thanks in advance!
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Not exactly a question, but a very nice example of how efficient tutoring can be. I choose my captain Wim Mennes (39 years old, 17 determination, faithful personality) as a mentor for this player. From august til october, his level of determination has rise from 8 tot 17. As a matter of fact, in one month, he already developed it from 8 to 15. Really makes a difference, especially in LLM.
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A stupid question (obviously):
Is it possible to press the backline and the goalkeeper with a strikerless tactic? If so, how?
A little form of explanation: I play a 4-4-2, with the strikers in the AM postitions. Inspired by a team like Atlético, I want my team to press high in the field, but if that doesn't succeed, I want to play with everyone behind the ball, so that's why I need my strikers in the AM strata, and why I can't set my defensive line too high. I try the emulation with standard instructions on 'counter', normal defensive line en closing down. But even when giving my AM's the highest closing down possible, they don't seem eager to press the backline or the keeper. 'Prevent GK distribution' doesn't help either.
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What about possession stats? Recently, Atlético is back to having consistently (much) lower possession stats than their opponents. (Around 42% mostly.) Have any of you been able to replicate that with a 4-4-2 or a 4-4-2-0? I struggle with that. Even with maxed out passing, my teams almost always have more than 50% possession.
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45 minutes ago, azug57 said:
HERE Simeone' s Real Atletic Tactic
Formation 4-4-2
Team Shape - Fluid
Mentality - Standart
Team Instructions - Look for overlap, Push Higher Up, Get Stuck in, Stick to Positions, Higher Tempo
Player Roles
Norrmal GK
FB Atack CD Defence CD Defence FB Suport
Winger Suport MC Defence MC Suport Winger Suport
Trequartista or (Complate Forward atack) Advanced Forward
I don't think so. A trequartista, a role that never defends? Two wingers? Filipe Luis as a FB Support? He bombs forward all the time, is at least a WB(s), but mostly a WB(a) or even a CWB(a). OP replicates Atletico much more accurately.
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I hope the absence of (significant) ME changes means there's a (slight) overhaul ahead for FM18 regarding the tactical instructions and some of the flaws in that matter, like the link between compactness and creative freedom, the defensive positioning of the strikers, the width without possession etc.
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1 hour ago, Dr. Hook said:
Anyhow, update me on how you get along trying to create defensive overloads in specific areas. I know Rashidi has managed to do it, but he is a good bit beyond me in understanding certain parts of the match engine. The double man marking thing was just a random flash I had when I was tinkering with player instructions a bit ago and thought that it could work. Problems with it are obvious, so whoever you are assigning to do the "extra" marking would have to have players around him to cover the space he'll leave. And, glad to meet a fellow coach- not to derail the thread or anything, but what level of coaching do you do? I am coaching women's u19/u20 at the club level for players preparing to play in the NCAA.
Do you know if Rashidi has written about that specific topic - and where I can read it? Did a quick search on the forum and on his blog, but I couldn't find it. Considering his knowledge of how the ME works, that'd be very insightful - like everything he writes about, actually.
I'm a licensed coach, but I've been retired since 2009. It's funny, I was coaching women too; used to work as a coach for the elite youth (U18) of the reigning Belgian champions of that time, and later, I was a head coach in the national third division. I know seem like an old guy, but I retired from coaching before I was 20. Some of my players where almost twice my age. Started very young, hugely ambitious, and was - and still am, I think - the youngest head coach in Belgium in a national division, even though it was in the women's department, which wasn't a big deal then - media coverage increased hugely last years. Had to retire because I had to choose between that ambition and my other ambition. Now, at age 28, I'm a professional playwright, stage director and novelist, which unfortunately can't be combined with a (semi-pro) job as football coach, two different worlds. I terribly miss it. So playing FM is my cure and disease for coaching nostalgia. :-)
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5 hours ago, Dr. Hook said:
You likely need a player from the central midfield on that side of the pitch with a higher closing down setting- more or much more. You can try it with a wide midfielder too, but it needs to be a player who doesn't have someone to immediately mark in their zone. I get the doubling happen with a BWM under the right conditions.
Many thanks for your advice. I'll tweak the PI and/or the roles of my CMs, change 1 of them (or maybe 2) to the BWM role, to create the doubling. I'll report how that turns out.
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About the man marking: that certainly could work, it's an interesting thought. But I'm looking for overloads in the zonal marking system. That's what the tactics creator is missing; the ability to create different sorts of zonal marking. As a real life football coach, I tried to create defensive overloads, to eliminate the element of chance as much as possible, create 2 or 3 vs 1 situations (very compact). I wanted one of my CD's shift to the side when the ball was there, to double up with the full back, for example. In a 1 vs 1, it's a matter of who's the better player, the attacker or the defender. But colleagues of mine were perfectly happy with 1 vs 1 situations. Athough they were using the same principles of zonal marking, the way they made their team play and press was way different of mine. That's why I'd like to have an advanced option in the tactics creator, where the pitch would be divided in zones, so you could be able to create specific forms of pressing. If I remember correctly, something like that was possible in CM 01/02, or in a version around that time. (I was still very young then, that's why I don't remember specifically.)
But your comment about the double man marking is intruiging. I'll try that in a game where the opponent has a specific 'star'.
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1 hour ago, superdave said:
In my opinion the best way to achieve that is to close down the opponent. IOW you achieve this with OI not PI.
99% of the time i "always close down" opposition LW/AML & RW/AMR.
That's what I do too, but still, only the fullback is closing down...
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How can you make players double up on the opponent in possession? When a winger has the ball, I notice that only my fullback is pressing him, which makes it a gamble. If the winger is better, he wins the battle. While I prefer to make another player of my team close down the player in possession too (be it a wide midfielder, a central midfielder or a central defender). How can I achieve those defensive overloads? I'm playing a very structured, defensive 4-4-2-0 at the moment.
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Freddy Adu of course.
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50 minutes ago, nen said:
Only 22 goals conceded
18 matches without conceding goals
Nice!
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11 minutes ago, OhhScottySinclair said:
looks amazing defensively conceding 2 in 10 is amazing, were you using different TI's before the friendly with Leverkusen? Going to try implement a striker less set up as well and include it in the thread.
Before the Leverkussen friendly, I was playing a regular 4-4-2 (DFd and DFs upfront), with the same TI. We didn't concede much chances, but as you can see, we always caught one or two goals. That's because the strikers didn't track back enough, which made it too difficult for my team to control the center defensively.
Earlier in the season, I used the 4-4-2-0. Same player roles, but counter-structured. It was defensively quite solid, but play was too static, offensively and defensively. Too much 1vs1 duels on the pitch, whereas I like to see overloads, two or three players pressing the ball and the opponent. Work as a unit, as you described it.
I'm looking forward to your strikerless tactic!
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8 hours ago, OhhScottySinclair said:
Interested to see your tactical set up and results, always been a fan of strikerless tactics.
I use a strikerless tactic because it's not possible to make strikers defend deep without making them mark a CM. The downside of playing strikerless is that the two most advanced players (my 'strikers') don't exactly behave like strikers when we're in possession. Even my SS acts too much as a playmaker. Here, you can see my tactic and the TI.
As you may see, I got my inspiration from Simeone too. My fullbacks are conservative though, they probably could play a bit more attacking, but then again, my squad is quite weak, so at the moment, I don't want to experiment too much, since things are going well. My defence is as deep as possible, since my CB's aren't that fast. If I push up a bit, I almost immediately get caught on a break. With a stronger squad, I'd play a bit higher than I would now.
PI are as follows:
GK (SKa): tackle harder, more direct passes, long kicks, distribute to AMCL (Ideally a GK who's good on high balls, command of area, reflexes and rushing out)
RB and LB (FBs): more risky passes, cross more often, cross aim far post, run wide with ball, close down much more (Quick FB's with good tackling)
CB's (CDd): more direct passes, close down much less (Tall CB's who have a good sense of positioning too)RM and LM (WMa): roam from position, more risky passes, cross more often, cross aim far post (Inverted wingers who are quick and good in passing, dribbling and crossing)
CM (CMd): mark tighter, more direct passes (A tall holder with a good pass, a workhorse)
CM (CMs): mark tighter, hold position, more direct passes, more risky passes (A playmaker with good workrate)AM (SSa): tackle harder, mark tighter, more direct passes, close down much more (A hard working dribbler, quick, good finisher)
AM (AMs): tackle harder, mark tighter, get further forward, close down much more (A dynamic targetman)There could be some tweaking with the offensive settings; the crosses almost never reach my 'targetman', FB's could be more offensive, the CMs could be unleashed more often... My passing instructions are quite extreme. That's to decrease possession, which is still too high for my liking.
OI: your OI
I started using this tactic, combined with your OI, since the friendly vs Leverkussen. You see, the defensive record is quite impressive, especcialy since my team was predicted to finish 13th (on 16th teams). We finished 7th, with the number 3 just 5 points clear. If I had used this tactic three games earlier, I would've reached the Champions Playoff. My goalkeeper didn't need to be a miracle man; we almost never conceded a CCC. In the game vs Genk, we conceded a penalty for a handsball, but my goalkeeper luckily saved it.
If you want to test the tactic: be my guest. I'm curious. The combination with your OI makes my team often look like Atlético; dynamic, hardworking, disciplined and very difficult to break down. We're very stubborn. I smiled when a AI manager called us 'boring'. :-)
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Your OI are impressive, @OhhScottySinclair. I've used them on my formation (a defensive 4-4-2-0) and I immediately managed to get 9 (nine!) consecutive clean sheets with a relegation favourite in the Belgian first division. Wonderful.
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I've trouble to make use of my very pacey strikers. My players choose more often than not for the short pass into feet instead for the pass into the space of the pushed up defence.
I play a flat 4-4-2, defensive forward and advanced forward. Central midfielder and ball winning midfielder and two wide midfielders. All have 'more risky passes' as PI. Counter mentality, fluid shape, pass into space and be more disciplined. Even 'more direct passes' and 'long ball' don't solve the problem. The tactical fluidity is mostly perfect.
I play as Anderlecht in Belgium, a top team there. We mostly face teams that drop deep, so there it's logical that there are no through balls, but even when we face an attacking opponent (Champions League, contenders), we don't make use of the space behind the defence. My midfielders have the right attributes and PPM's to launch through balls (passing, technique, vision, try killer balls more often etc.) What to do?
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I'm a bit disappointed. Absolutely no tactical changes? Creative freedom and team shape are still linked? All (!) AI teams still line-up in the same way they do since FM 15 for defensive corners? Still no option to decrease or increase the vertical compactness of your team? Still no advanced options for defending free kicks? (Marking tall or short player, specific player, zonally...) Underwhelming.
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If you select the 'Tight Marking' TI, does that make the 'Mark Tighter' PI redundant? Or do they stack?
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I almost always play a simple 4-4-2 formation. Sometimes I play with a (very) structured team shape, sometimes I play with a (very) fluid team shape. I don't like lots of possession, I like to counter the opponent. But I'm having difficulties to create the playing style I want. In a structured team shape, my team plays 'slower' football, no matter how high I put the tempo setting. In a fluid team shape, my team plays faster and directer (more forward runs, more risky passes, more dynamic, like I want), but I tend to concede always at least one goal a game with a fluid approach. It's very difficult for me to keep consistent clean sheets with non-structured tactics. Even without a lot of team instructions, even without a lot of closing down. Not that it's easy to keep clean sheets with a structured approach.
But that wasn't a question.
Is it possible to create a counter tactic with a fluid team shape that can make me keep a lot of clean sheets? Or do the higher creative freedom levels make that more (or too) difficult?
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Disappointing. No defensive width settings, no vertical compactness settings, no extra pressing settings, no clear distinction between zonal marking and man marking. Still no extra options to tweak creative freedom. I sincerely hope that a defensive forward now will be tracking back like an attacking midfielder, to achieve vertical compactness. I was hoping that we could set out how a wide midfielder in a midfield 4 would defend (tuck in centrally, very narrow, or stay wide). Underwhelming.