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Is strikerless in itself OP or exploitative? I have seen various iterations of it this year and all of them seem to get extaordinary results.
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Why not drag the wide players into the ml and mr positions and play them as wma? They will get into space and you can customise them into doing whatever you want.
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Why the play out of defence if you want to play counter-attacking? Would that not slow the transitions down? As you said in an earlier post, defenders on high mentality will still pass it out from the back, it is on lower mentalities they tend to hoof it without that instruction.
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Four seasons in with La Real. Finished 2nd, 1st and 2nd, they have a great squad from the start, maybe a tad overrated, but hey ho. Managed to pick up Ousmane Dembele on a free and got Nuno Mendes in, other than that the core of the team is still Zubeldia, Merino and Oyarzabal. Managed to sell Januzaj, Isak and Sergio Gomez (who I picked up on a free) for a combined total of a around 230 million. Would recommend!
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That is an insane record by Inter. I agree with the notion that the top leagues are more competitive this year and it is more difficult to coast through. It will be interesting if you are able to knock them of their perch, certainly something to keep the save interesting going forward.
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I contributed with some post a couple of months ago, but since then I have continued the save all the way up until the end of the 2030/2031-season. This is my Milan-side of 2031:
We finished the season strongly and ended up securing The Treble!
We used a 4-2-3-1 for most of the season, but it never really seemed to click, so I changed the style of play into a 4-3-3 Tiki-Taka to great effect.
I am now considered a legend at the club after winning 5 league titles, 2 Champion Leagues, 1FIFA Club World Cup, 3 cup-titles, 4 Supercoppa Tim-titles and a UEFA Super Cup. What I most enjoyed about this save was how competitive it was troughout, mainly Juventus, but also Inter kept challenging, forcing me to adapt and change my squad and style of play over the years. The most dissapointing aspect was the lack of homegrown talents being developed, as my academy only produced two first team-players over the ten seasons I managed them, even though I had top class facilities.
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1. Iniesta did not constantly try through balls, so he should be on a support duty (mezzala) or you could have him as a B2B-midfielder to keep him closer to the DLP and get those passing triangles going. The other thing I would change would be the AML - Both Villa and Henry played more as a wide poacher, so either a Ramdeuter or an IF-A would replicate it better. In terms of the instructions, Guardiola has always favoured width in the attacking phase to create space in the middle, so maybe play wider with exploit the middle could achieve that effect? Also, Barcelona did not counter much, instead they tried to hold shape until the final third, where Guardiola gave players freedom to leave their position, so here you could activate hold shape and roam from position on your front three.
2. Not really, as the IW-A will make forward runs, while the F-9 should drop deep (in theory).
3. This is because their pressing is maxed out due to the extremely urgent pressing instruction.
4. See point 1.
5. I think DLP-S is about right, you can also try RP-S, but that could leave Busquets with too much to do.
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6 hours ago, Gee_Simpson said:
I'm considering trying a DLP (D) - RPM - Treq combo as my midfield 3
I would be interested to see if that's viable.
It should work, probably suited to a Tiki-taka setup. The 3 up top needs to be quite aggressive, and you also need the fullbacks for width. Maybe a balanced/positive mentality?
Watch the RPM and Treq closely, there is a risk that they will occupy the same space if play is congested.
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2 minutes ago, Marc Lister said:
He's got another year left but I do have the option to extend it for another year. What should I set as a minimum if I have to sell him? £150m?
Personally, I would not sell for less than 150m. You should figure out how much a replacement would cost, if you are looking for a similar skillsett, or use the money to rejig your squad.
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12 minutes ago, Marc Lister said:
Hmm so PSG have made their inevitable offer for Pogba which will have the effect of destabalising him. I don't want to sell Pogba as I think he is useful and an adequate replacement would cost loads.
If I do have to sell him what should I ask PSG for? I'm thinking at least £100m up front and £40m in instalments? Should Pogba leave, who's a good replacement I can realistically sign for Utd in June 2020 in game?
I would definitively hold out for top dollar. Does he have many years left on his contract? If so, you can probably reject it and his unsettledness will pass.
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Just now, Gee_Simpson said:
Any reason for switching back to 433? Still considering it but I'm leaning back towards 4231 because the 4123's I create don't seem to score many goals. 4231 seems to score more but also concedes more.
Just to keep the save interesting. There is not really that much of a difference, other than the 4-3-3 being a bit more solid, as you said.
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4 minutes ago, Gee_Simpson said:
If I go with the 4231, what AMC role could I use? I would like to get more goals out of Bruno as he doesn't get many as a AM (S), I'm thinking Treq?
I think Treq is a good choice - It will see him float between the lines and be both a creator and goalscorer.
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Changed back to a 4-3-3
Results have been promising:
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3 hours ago, OllieGrocott said:
Has anyone had any success with playing a Gegenpress style?
I've used Gegenpress with nearly all of my teams I've managed, but I'm not sure if it would work with United
Have a look at teamwork, work rate and stamina for those who will start most games, if the attributes look good it has a decent chance of working.
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@Gee_Simpson
I use this for seeing out games:
If I am down a goal, I usually increase the mentality to attacking and change the IF and SV to an attacking duty.
Against top opponents I use oppossition instructions on a few key players.If the other side is creating loads of chanches while I struggle, I tend to switch to catious and tick pass into space.
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Then I would just keep it as is. Depends on the players, as you say the 4-1-2-3 is better balanced, so it easier to make it work. The challenge with the 4-2-3-1 is that it is top heavy, so it is easy for space to congest, that is essentially why I opted for two DMs instead, to have more space for Bruno to thrive in, and for better progression from deep.
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There is not really that much of a difference between a PF and an AF, other than the former being more aggressive out of possession, so that is up to you. If you play a striker with low workrate and stamina I would probably play him as an AF.
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Does not look bad at all (4-3-3)! Couple of suggestions: Even though both defenders are suited to being a ball playing defender, having two of them often leads to giving away possession needlessly. The most glaring thing for me is the shorter passing. You say you love prolific striker, yet you tell your players to pass to the nearest team mate and into feet, even though you have a lot of players aggressively moving into space. Personally, I would leave the passing on mixed and add "pass into space". The last point: You want a striker who looks to get in behind, yet you try to pin the oppossition down in their own box, leaving little space for your strikers to exploit. Ditch the higher defensive line and more urgent pressing. The counter press will take care of what you need.
The second one looks good too, although I would remove the pressing and d-line TI's there as well. How does the AMC play? If he is getting low ratings and you see him in the same space as Pogba I would consider putting him on an attacking duty to exploit the space that the striker creates.0 -
Is that because he was playing as more of a creator? I have used the 4123 a lot this year, often playing a direct "Fergie-style" type of football, and I have almost exclusively used an Advanced Forward to great success - On my Milan-save Greenwood scored a goal a game in that kind of setup. The striker does not have to link play, you can use more aggressive roles in midfield, such as a mezzala to bridge the gap, or supporting wide players.
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46 minutes ago, Gee_Simpson said:
@Vizzini Or anyone for that matter, do you think for someone who struggles with tactics, it's better to have minimal TI's and PI's in a tactic? I'll most likely always keep counter press and counter as it's what I enjoy to see irl. I'm not great, and getting frustrated. I may even try out your 4231 but I have OCD and I have this thing where I can't use anyone else's tactics.
Yes. In your case, there is no need to have higher tempo, more direct, higher line of engagement, more urgent pressing, etc, if you are already playing on a higher mentality, such as "positive". Why? Because that is already part of the mentality you have selected. Secondly, by activating counter press and counter you have already made sure that the team will press high up the pitch when losing possession and to play fast and direct with bodies moving forward when the opportunity presents itself.
Also, if you are struggling with tactics I would strongly recommend to only adding one TI at the time, because then it is much easier to see if it is working or not in the match enginge. If you select a bunch to create a "style" it can be difficult to figure out how to tweak it, use the "clean slate" template, pick a formation you want to use, and start with 1-2 TI's per part (in possession, out of possession, in transition).
The last advise is about roles and duties: Who do you want to be your main goal scorers? Who will create the chances for them? Who will defend when they are attacking? Choose accordingly to suit your style of play and try not to care to much about role familiarity.
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47 minutes ago, Gungner said:
Do you have any use for them? Otherwise, just don't use them, loan them out or transfer list them immidiately.
If you have no use for them, the other players shouldn't suffer.
Sure, they are both quality players and Kimmich is quite versatile as well, although having him and AWB could be considered overkill. I had plans to move Lindelof on and upgrade the CB-position and Skriniar would have been one of my main targets.
Putting all that aside, I think it also provides some realism, as IRL a manager cannot always decide who the club brings in.
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I think Regista is a really good role for big teams as they get the space to dominate - They will create key passes all day long. You also have the perfect player for it in Sandro Tonali. I consider my own MDF a 3 as well, since the Treq drops really deep and attacks the space by either dribbling or passing forward with intent. Finally, many consider the treq to be a role for lazy players, but I had Bruno in that role and he came second in the league for distance covered per 90, so it all depends on the player you use.
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36 minutes ago, Conor O'Hare said:
Interested in seeinf your Ole Ball tactic - Seems very simple - Is there any PIs in place?
Wondering who your MDF is, Pogba I would imagine is the volante - Possibly Fred as the Regista?
Yes, I tend to keep things simple, it makes it easier to change things - The only PI is "dribble more" for the Advanced Forward. There are no long throws-exploits, but I have spent time setting up some set-piece routines that are quite effective, but nothing out of the ordinary, really.
I have used either Camavinga or Gardner as the regista. Pogba is the first choice volante, Fred as backup and sometimes I use McTominay. I also use Fred as a wingback sometimes, as he have excellent attributes for it, and I also use Scott as a central defender.
Also, I just had a board takeover, and they brought in Skriniar and Kimmich, which meant that I had to sell Lindelof for 40m to Arsenal and loan out Laird to Aston Villa for the season.0 -
Third season, perfect season!
Changed tacticts midway as I wanted to replicate how Solskjær has set up the current team, it worked to devastating effect.
I have only added three players to the original squad (Camavinga, Bellingham and Farinez), so it is worth persisting in youth, guys!
Also, Andreas Pereira will never be sold after he smashed home the winner in the Champions League-finale in the 119th minute, love him to bits!
As for next season, I have arranged the future transfer of Kylian Mbappe for a cool 190 million
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I would be interested to see if that's viable.
Tactical Tweaking - 4-3-3 - Roles and Instructions
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I would like some help with tweaking my tactic before the upcoming 2031/2032 season with Inter. I took over a strong but ageing squad last year, and after coming 2nd place and losing the Champions League-finale I have overhauled the squad, which led to a change from a 4-2-3-1 to a 4-3-3. There are several reasons for this:
Firstly, my best players are the central midfielders, who all have decent positioning and off the ball and excellent vision and passing. Secondly, my wide players complement each other. On the right hand-side I have a fullback with good passing, technique, vision and positioning and decent off the ball, as well as a winger with excellent pace, dribbling and crossing.
On the left hand-side I have a complete wing-back that is perfect for the role, as well as Martinelli further up the pitch, who is a decent allround inverted-winger. Isak is playing as a complete forward on attack because he is my main goalscorer as well as being an excellent creator.
Lastly, my defenders all have good pace, acceleration, anticipation and positioning, meaning I can play a high line without worrying too much about balls over the top.
This is my tactic:
As you can see, there are no tactical instructions when my team is in possession. The reason for this is that I think that the positive team-mentality achieves how I want my team to play, being on the front foot, pressing high and playing a fast-paced game with plenty of risk-taking.
I would like some feedback on whether or not the roles I selected complement this sort of style and if I should add some tactical instructions for refining it. I thought about adding counter to the transition instructions, but I am afraid that will lead to too many turnovers, especially since I am a high rep team who is going to face a lot of teams that sit deep and look to counter.
Thoughts?