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1 minute ago, FrazT said:
OK- last warning to everyone - Cut out the bickering now otherwise some users will be getting some time off.
I’d say close the thread; the poll shows lots of us find it easy, but that always causes arguments.
We’re just going round in circles now. Put us out of our misery 😀
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11 minutes ago, Junkhead said:
You seem to still be struggling so I'm going to try to make it VERY simple for you.
- No one wants the game to be too easy.
- Some of us on this thread, you included, have lots of evidence to indicate that it is too easy. You even posted some really good examples from two of your saves.
- Some other people on this thread, me included, haven't seen evidence personally that the game is too easy. In my case it's because I've not had long to play this version.
- in response to you saying it was too easy, I suggested you uploaded your save for the game developer to review. You said no. You also made a feeble attempt at either abuse or banter, couldn't tell which, in respect of my user name which made you look like a bit of balloon.
- you now continue to argue it's too easy but refuse to upload evidence to the developer. You also seem annoyed at others because they haven't seen evidence in their own saves that it's too easy.
Just upload your saves.
It's not that anyone disbelieves you, or disagrees. We ALL want the game to be challenging.
But this thread has been full of people for 48 hours who have either been found to have been using known exploits or refuse to upload their saves, which is frankly bizarre.
When you upload a save, what do you actually upload? Is it literally just your save file, or is it specific matches?
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3 minutes ago, vukigepard said:
You have mastered the fm, congratulations. After a lot of different versions, you got good, your tactical knowledge increased, you know exactly which approach will be effective in the long run and work in fm. Enjoy it.
I do, i have played every version from the fm11 to the present and after that long i have learned what works and what doesn't, now i can fully enjoy that, and enjoy the ME. It's a game overall, when you master it, you find different aproach to enjoy it if you can't otherwise, have different goals or move on. For example i am more interested in influencing the fm gameworld, creating good players, improving a bad league than i'm in tactical matters.
But not everyone, not even in these polls where there is a specific group that has this problem opposed to majority of people now enjoying the fm playing it, wants the game to become harder, or to think of their Fm as their secondary job that becomes a chore if you want to become good.
Fair enough.
I’d presumed the better players would want to see difficulty levels introduced, but it seems most of them don’t.
Apologies for turning into a keyboard warrior at times 😀
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15 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:
This is the answer I expected.
This is the problem, though.
Lots of us find the game way too easy. Not just one season or one save or one version. Every time we play it.
With a wide range of teams and a wide range of sensible tactics.
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12 minutes ago, Deisler26 said:
This genuinely sounds like the chatter around Destiny 2 recently.
The streamers were banging on about having harder raids and harder mechanics and we want to have something to do, because we're good and everyone else should just git gud like us
Bungie/Activision (at the time) acquiesced to their demands and the ideas that were put in, meant that over 50% of players, who had achieved the highest level last time, didn't this time and there was a lot of discontent around the playbase, because they'd bowed to a very small, but vocal subset
Can you mod that game to make it harder or is it one size fits all?
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14 minutes ago, Junkhead said:
You play only with Liverpool. A team that has literally just won the league with record points. You also said in your other thread that you don't do manual training because you're tempted to rest everyone and game the system by being in better condition than the opposition.
If you have saves where you think it's too easy, upload them. Everyone else should too. Then it won't be too easy anymore.
How hard is it?
Not hard enough.
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24 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:
I've argued this since the introduction of the gegenpress into FM - It has to be countered with players getting knackered or injured if managers persist on playing that style for 90 mins match on match. That's the biggest failing. Of course that approach is going to win games without that risk involved. Every team in the world would play this way constantly if there was no fear of burnout.
If SI do this, they will be absolutely flooded with 'too many injuries' complaints, which has already, frustratingly, led them to reduce the injuries in game to 80% of real life, The sooner they put this back to close too 100% the better. These types of aggressive tactics need to have a consequence, otherwise there's no real strategy involved.
100% agree on injuries at 100% and pressing teams getting knackered and being countered.
Ironically, the new fitness icons would hide this anyway as you can’t accurately tell how knackered your players are.
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7 minutes ago, Dagenham_Dave said:
And have you uploaded any of these saves to the bugs forum for investigation? You make a lot of noise about the game being too easy without actually being proactive in getting it looked into.
Apologies, I haven’t kept every single one of my last 20 saves over the last five years.
Here’s some quick instructions for SI to investigate an easy game:
1. Start new game
2. Investigate it
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33 minutes ago, Daveincid said:
never guaruantee something 100%
Ok, 60% of the time, it works every time.
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42 minutes ago, Daveincid said:
IF SI would allow to increase the injuries-ratio from 80%, compared to real life back to 100%, the problem would already be much smaller....because of the intensive pressing-style a lot more players would end up being on the physio's table than on the pitch....but they made that because people were moaning about too many injuries...... A little change in the editor, problem solved.
Can you change that in the editor?
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1 hour ago, Junkhead said:
You don't know, but the developer does if the save is uploaded. If you think it is unrealistically easy, upload the save. If you think you've just had a good season, don't.
I’d say every season I’ve played in the last 5+ FMs have been too easy. And this one is even easier.
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1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said:
Its literally almost exactly a tactic that's been proven to exploit the match engine by those who dig into the AI to figure these things out, coincidentally, I'm sure, also used on Newcastle.
You can download it online.
Search for "knaps 4-4-2" on Google and you'll find it.
The same boy who created this one has created a tactic that's exploited the ME for the past 3/4 years, again, something you'll see if you search the above term.
People can make their own assumptions about why someone is using a proven, long term, downloadable tactic to exploit the ME, and then claiming the game is "easy".
In fairness, I think most of us would consider that tactic very gamey. It proves the ME is very poor in some ways, but I’d never use anything like it...
...unless I was losing with 15 minutes to go and maybe I would. And in real life, I’m probably more likely be countered. On FM, I’d probably score.
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1 hour ago, SortitoutsiVP said:
So we've gone from being able to just use any tactic and win easy at the start of this thread to actually only really using a gegenpress style with plenty of PI's?
The plot thickens.
The conclusions being drawn from one person's tactics thicken.
I play 433 Positive/Balanced with one up top on S duty and two wide men, one S and one A, and I overperform every season. Many of us do.
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2 hours ago, Junkhead said:
Nothing constructive to this conversation, mate.
Basically someone has gone on holiday after setting up an unrealistically attacking tactic and done well a couple of times. They are then saying that this proves the entire game is "easy" and needs to be made harder instead of just posting evidence of what is clearly an overpowered tactic in the bugs forum.
It takes away from the entire argument/discussion that has been happening for the last few days.
It's like someone sitting in a near inaccessible/buggy area of a map on an FPS game, killing everyone, then demanding that they still be allowed to sit there but everyone else should be harder to kill.
Do you work from Donald Trump, just picking one extreme point out of 50 normal ones to make your point?
If you take from all this that the game isn’t really easy, everyone that says so is exploiting something, and you’re not bad at it, then we’ll done you.
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2 hours ago, Junkhead said:
Nothing constructive to this conversation, mate.
Basically someone has gone on holiday after setting up an unrealistically attacking tactic and done well a couple of times. They are then saying that this proves the entire game is "easy" and needs to be made harder instead of just posting evidence of what is clearly an overpowered tactic in the bugs forum.
It takes away from the entire argument/discussion that has been happening for the last few days.
It's like someone sitting in a near inaccessible/buggy area of a map on an FPS game, killing everyone, then demanding that they still be allowed to sit there but everyone else should be harder to kill.
That is a tiny subset of the conversation.
Most of the conversation is people using sensible tactics, nothing gamey, and winning way too easy. With any team.
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6 hours ago, FMunderachiever said:
If you find the game too easy, youve just learned what buttons to click, thats it.
You happen to be good at button clicking. So yeah, brilliant. Well done.
As all games are button clicking, this is quite a worrying conclusion.
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7 hours ago, dominoes012 said:
Yeah I think there is something missing here either he's not understanding me or vice versa. If you look at his 4 points like his last point just means that I should accept that if I play like Liverpool and I get results as Liverpool even though I'm playing as another team than I should accept the results? Am I missing something here because that is how I interpreted that.
He’s right. It works in real life as well. If my wife gives me a tangerine for a snack, but I want a biscuit, I ask the tangerine to look like a biscuit and taste like a biscuit and it does.
Have you been playing life wrong this whole time?
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According to many, pressing tactics are not allowed, even if that’s how your team would play, as they’re overpowered.
Most agree that Utd massively over perform, so their tactics are not allowed.
City always massively underperform on my saves, so their tactics are obviously broken as well.
Can someone give me an up-to-date list of ‘allowed’ tactics and is there anyway to remove the broken ones from the game?
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7 hours ago, dominoes012 said:
I fully understand your points I want points 1-3 but the point of #4 is my team should not be able to get the same results as Liverpool. Liverpool can beat any team in the world on their day meanwhile if I'm playing as Everton and Huesca barring major upset my team cannot beat every team in the world. What's happening is I'm playing like Liverpool as Huesca and Everton and I'm beating every single team like I'm Liverpool and that is the exact point. You're not understanding that my team should not be able to have the same amount of success as Liverpool if I am not playing as Liverpool even though I am playing their playstyle. That in turn takes me to scout for players to get better players until I have the players to perform as well as Liverpool. Huesca and Everton should not be able to get the results of Liverpool even if they play like them. You clearly do not understand this point and me explaining it to you for the last couple of hours clearly hasn't helped so really there is no point in me trying to convince you. All I will say is have a good night and good luck in FM21 and I hope you have fun.
In a nutshell, you shouldn’t be able to take a bad player/team and ask them to play like a good player/team, and the game let’s you do it. Every season.
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8 hours ago, Daveincid said:
I survived the season. It's like I said earlier...the AI has problems when a team uses a tactic, they won't use IRL according their status in the league. So Newcastle got some decent wins over Top Teams. The results were pretty high in average. If you have 2 teams that only attack, of course there will be some strange results like 5-4....And of course a player of your own team will be top-scorer. Your own Team has this strange kind of gameplay 38 times a season and the AI only when they play against you. End of Story.
I can absolutely guarantee you that if a poor team played those tactics in real life, they wouldn't end up with the two top scorers in the league. They wouldn't even be in games; they'd lost the midfield as the front four would be way too high up the pitch, and the strikers wouldn't get near the ball.
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7 hours ago, vukigepard said:
To the contrary, i'm saying that if they could play geggenpress irl like they could in the game, they would have pretty high numbers. But the thing that is unrealistic is not them scoring 40 goals a season by having the best tactical system right now, but them being able to play that system like they are liverpool players, which they can't, otherwise they would. So you don't want to limit the possibilites what they could play, but want to limit the results of that play. Seem's much more logic to me that everton can't play gegenpress like liverpool, than everton playing liverpool's geggenpress and expecting different results than liverpool. Because if everton played like liverpool, they would be liverpool.
I think this is exactly our point, that the game should publis punish you for playing inappropriate tactics.
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7 hours ago, vukigepard said:
I like the place where we came up to. Ok, so you can tell your player to play in a certain way to play offensive, but they're too slow, too unfit, to unwilling to fit. So are you then playing offensive because you told your team how to play, or how they are actually playing? That is the difference i wanted to point out. Playing the geggenpress and telling random players to play it is not the same, same as playing offensive. Problem here is that you can play geggenpress in fm, even if you couldn't with those players irl, and get the results that would come from viable supreme geggenpress irl, which is actually fine by me as i can either chose to play it or not. But i don't want the attacking nerfed because of it and have fm19 and 20 all over again.
But how do we know exactly what combinations of tactics and instructions are broken?
If I have a good season, do I enjoy it and try to repeat it the next season, or do I say 'broken tactics' and restart the game?
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9 hours ago, vukigepard said:
You've missed the entire point, Fulham, with all due respect couldn't choose to play ultra attacking fluid football against manchester city whatever they did. You, in fm, as fullham can choose to play ultra offensive football against manchester city, there's a difference. If you don't have a problem with your right chose to play something that is impossible irl because you can, why do you have a problem with the consequences being unrealistic.
You do know that Fulham are allowed to TRY to play attacking football, don't you?
There have been some poor teams in the past, like Norwich last season, that TRY to play attacking football.
The problem is, this game lets you massively overachieve when you do.
You can't be suggesting that we're only allowed to play a certain way depending on the team you pick.
Why even play at all then? Should we just pick a team to 'follow', let the game choose their tactics, and sim the whole game unemployed?
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11 minutes ago, Freakiie said:
My holidaying skills apparently aren't up to par it seems. While it's still massively over performing with Newcastle, it's also damn leaky when compared to the big clubs and Arsenal. Barely got a positive GD, as I got 50 goals less than harry, while the goals conceded was roughly the same.
Well and then second time around this happened. My holidaying skills really aren't up to par.
Looking at it, board take over happened and since I was barely above the relegation spots (despite using the same tactic) the new board gave me the boot. Still, these hyper aggressive tactics can very quickly backfire it seems, looking at the completely different results.
It's your tactics 🤪
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Do you want the full release to be harder than the beta?
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Posted · Edited by dannysheard
Do you talk to your players a lot? Ask them for recommendations, praised training, praise performances?
I do and I wonder whether doing that makes morale higher than AI, and morale is very powerful?
That would also show why the holiday saves don’t normally work.