DavidH

Hi, could someone point me in the direction of the correct forum to highlight inaccuracies in the SPFL squads on FM24 console. Cheers

This issue was raised on another forum on February 11th and more than 4 months on it still has not been fixed.

I am playing on PS5 and this is still an issue more than 4 months on from someone flagging it.

Thanks, Reported as requested.

Hi, first off an apology, it was wrong of me to suggest that the researchers had not observed the players in 'real life' it's obvious that a tremendous amount of work often unpaid goes into compiling the data and assisting the programmers to allow them to create the player attributes. Players such as Bernabei and Forrest do not get a lot of game time so it must be a challenge to gauge their true strengths and weaknesses. As per your suggestion I have 4 seasons of simulated data for Kyogo Season 22/23 27 games 7 goals Season 23/24 33 games 27 goals Season 24/25 33 games 18 goals Season 25/26 38 games 34 goals So overall 131 games 86 goals so a goals to game ratio of 0.66 goals a game Compare this to his record while at Celtic in the Scottish Premiership which is 46 games and 32 goals. A goals to game ration of 0.70 By way of comparison and to give some additional context to his in game record, Alfredo Morelos who could be considered the leagues second best striker had the following record of the 4 league campaigns 93 games 44 goals as ratio of 0.48 So to summarise it is fair to conclude that his 'in game' record is an accurate reflection of his 'real life' performance and for that the researchers and programmers deserve plaudits. When I consider his other attributes OTB 18, work rate 17, acceleration 15, pace 15, agility 15, anticipation 16, determination 18, aggression 18, composure 12 and balance 12 and then take into account his scoring record I still struggle to get my head round his finishing only being a 12 but it appears that this attribute is less important than others as there are 30 players in my save in the Scottish Premiership with a higher finishing attribute than him who will not get close to his scoring record but maybe that statistic is something worth reflecting on when future updates occur as perhaps some players are rated too highly in this regard.

Hi, Thanks for your reply. What evidence do you have to support your claim that Kyogo's finishing attribute is higher than Morelos in the game? I have provided attributes for both players based on the post winter update for the 22/23 season on PS5 console edition. I have provided factual evidence to support my claim that their is inconsistency in the awarding of the finishing attribute. Can you explain why a player with a conversion rate of 1.5% has the same finishing ability as a player with 23.8% Let me give you one more example to make my point. Alexandro Bernabei has a finishing attribute of 12. Technique 13 Anticipation 11 composure 12 concentration 11 decisions 12 He has played as a Right Back at Celtic since signing at the start of the 22/23 season. When you look at his statistics for attacking returns there is no data attributed to any of attacking metrics I have used to provide evidence. In conclusion it is fair comment to suggest his 12 finishing is significantly too high which calls into question the validity of other attribute awards. I am happy to engage in debate around the pro's and cons of the evidence I provide, but in future if you are going to claim my conclusions are wrong I will only engage if you provide data to substantiate your reply's.

I've posted this on the relevant forum but thought i'd share with you as you took the time to reply to my original post. Hi I recently posted a comment regarding Celtic FC player attributes on another forum and was directed here to expand on my observations. I would like to highlight examples of where it appears player attributes have been over and under valued. I would like to first share some data that I think shows the finishing value for Kyogo Furuhashi has been undervalued while the same attribute for Matt O'Riley has been significantly overvalued i will be using data from the game as well as statistical data from the FotMob app for season 22/23 to provide evidence for this, for comparison I am also including data for Alfredo Morelos a striker who also plays in the Scottish Premiership for Rangers. Lets look firstly at the key Attributes associated with Finishing for all 3 players Finishing technique anticipation composure concentration decisions Furuhashi 12 14 16 12 14 11 O'Riley 12 15 12 14 12 11 Morelos 14 14 16 5 8 12 Note that O'Rileys Finishing is the same as Furuhashi and his technique and composure are both higher, then compare this with what the real world data shows us. it is also of interest that Morelos has composure of 5, far too low I would suggest given his higher finishing of 14. So what does the real world data tell us. Scottish Premiership 22/23 season Goals xG Goals per 90 min SOT 90 min Shots per 90 min SOT % Conversion Rate Furuhashi 20 15.3 1.06 1.6 3.3 48.4 23.8% O'Riley 1 4.4 0.05 1 2.6 37.7 1.5% Morelos 13 10.3 0.72 2 5.1 39.7 10.3% It is also worth noting that neither Furuhashi or Morelos take penalty kicks for their respective teams. In my opinion this data shows it cannot be correct for Furuhashi's Finishing to be lower than Morelos given his more than double rate of conversation and O'Rileys finishing attributes are significantly higher than his Conversation rate would suggest they should be. Cheers.

Hi I recently posted a comment regarding Celtic FC player attributes on another forum and was directed here to expand on my observations. I would like to highlight examples of where it appears player attributes have been over and under valued. I would like to first share some data that I think shows the finishing value for Kyogo Furuhashi has been undervalued while the same attribute for Matt O'Riley has been significantly overvalued i will be using data from the game as well as statistical data from the FotMob app for season 22/23 to provide evidence for this. for comparison I am also including data for Alfredo Morelos a striker who also plays in the Scottish Premiership for Rangers Lets look firstly at the key Attributes associated with Finishing for all 3 players Finishing technique anticipation composure concentration decisions Furuhashi 12 14 16 12 14 11 O'Riley 12 15 12 14 12 11 Morelos 14 14 16 5 8 12 Note that O'Rileys Finishing is the same as Furuhashi and his technique and composure are both higher, then compare this with what the real world data shows us. it is also of interest that Morelos has composure of 5, far too low I would suggest given his higher finishing of 14. So what does the real world data tell us. Goals xG Goals per 90 min SOT 90 min Shots per 90 min SOT % Conversion Rate Furuhashi 20 15.3 1.06 1.6 3.3 48.4 23.8% O'Riley 1 4.4 0.05 1 2.6 37.7 1.5% Morelos 13 10.3 0.72 2 5.1 39.7 10.3% It is also worth noting that neither Furuhashi or Morelos take penalty kicks for their respective teams. In my opinion this data shows it cannot be correct for Furuhashi's Finishing to be lower than Morelos given his more than double rate of conversation and O'Rileys finishing attributes are significantly higher than his Conversation rate would suggest.

Thanks for the reply and pointing me in the right direction to provide the information I feel will back up my assertions. I look forward to providing the evidence to prove James Forrst couldn't tackle a fish supper 😀

How much research is devoted to individual player attributes and do the researchers actually observe the players they are rating? Let me give a few examples Kyogo Furuhashi (ST) given the same finishing attribute (12) as Alexandro Bernabei (LB) Leil Abada (AMR) with a dribbling of 13 compared with Callum McGregor 14 and 3 CB Welsh, Starfelt and CCV at 12 James Forrest (AMR) awarded a tackling of 12!! (I've never seen him make a tackle in his life) which is the same as Starfelt (CB) and Ralston (RB) These are only a few examples, but they tell me that the person awarding them has never observed these players or done any sort of research into their real life abilities. For a game that prides itself in portraying as an accurate reflection on the real thing this is really disappointing considering it's only a week or so since a update that it was claimed updated the attributes of thousands of players.