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20 minutes ago, Rafalution said:
I mean there is, it would just require everyone that wants more money and more power to change to focusing on empathy instead. In the meantime, we should keep calling them out.
That is exactly what I meant. How about helping those people affected instead of calling someone out? Or, even better help them and call out the opressors. It would help those people much more if UK government allowed them to go to the UK and work/live there and give them some benefits for the first few years. So, it would help much more if people were calling UK government out for not helping those people.
It is not allowed to be gay there, right? And the people can go to prison for it, right? Surely, noone with empathy would vote for any UK party/person, which is not supporting helping gay people from such countries to relocate to the UK.
UK is just an example, it applies to any country. Any country, which doesn't let those people relocate to them freely has no empathy.
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8 minutes ago, Coulthard's Jaw said:
Are you talking about the west, or the Qatari government?
For those workers that is both. Like I think everyone from this thread would be considered as a "privileged rich" persons. And many would be insanely tich for them.
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I am not sure what point Barnes is trying to make but from my point of view it really looks like a big PR excersise from some Western countries. They want to get good PR without actually doing anything. And then there is an issue, that different and completely unrelated issues are being grouped together.
Worker rights and lgbt rights should not be brought together as one is country(ies) specific and is political, and another is global and mostly economics related.
It is pathetic how gay people are being treated there. Definitely it is so and developed countries should help them. But those armbands or flags will not help them at all. If you want to help them, make a law that they are free to relocate to your countries and that they will get some help to start their lives there. That is a real action, which will actually help them to be safe.
Worker rights is a different topic and it should not be even discussed in relation to the WC as it is such a huge and global issue but completely unrelated. That is how the vast majority of the worlds population is living ffs. For those workers who went there, that is a actually a better opprotunity than they could get elsewhere. And there is no easy or quick solution to it at all. And certainly just words about it from the previliged insanely rich (by standards of those workers) people doesn't help at all.
Again, allowing them to go and work freely in UK would massively help them and it will give competitions to "Qatars" and in turn they will have to improve the work conditions themselves.
But those are real actions, which will mean that people from developed countries will have to actually do something and give away some of their own benefits. And that's not even a topic.
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11 hours ago, WillHoward42 said:
Why would Messi be booked for heading the ball
Simulating an injury is a yellow card offence according to rules and no sane person would think that he didn't simulate it with that pathetic Neymar style rolling around.
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1 hour ago, Ackter said:
You don't know how social media works do you?
I almost never use social media but whenever I used Facebook and Instagram, I see the posts from friends and may be a few other related posts where my friends commented etc. And then I am part of some what's app groups but again, there are just friends there. So, I didn't see anyone linking Germany loss and the good message before the match.
So, that is exactly why I asked those questions. You need to have "friends" with such views to see those comments. Or does the social media work any other way?
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4 hours ago, Ackter said:
The people using the defeat to score points against their message are the lowest of the low.
Who are those people? It always amazes me, why do people even have such friends and speak to them to hear such opinions?
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1 minute ago, PaulHartman71 said:
That was in reference to Jorginho’s tackle not the Chiellini pull.Sorry. That one could easily result in a red for sure. Was really dangerous and and was meant to be "hard" as it's not the way you try to control the ball surely.
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1 hour ago, PaulHartman71 said:
Definitely seen reds given for that
When? I don't remember a single case of a red card given for a shirt pull in such situation.
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24 minutes ago, Barry Cartman said:
I thought he knew he was off his line so was expecting a VAR retake, couldn't understand what was going on at all for several moments
No chance. First of all, he was perfectly on the line and also there would've been a minimal chance of it being ordered to be re-taken even if he was off the line, considering that it was never picked up at the tournament.
He was just trying to be cool with it. Like it's a regular job to make a EURO winning penalty save.
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**** you Southgate. What do you expect from the players who were eager to get in the pitch for 2 hours and have to shoot the penalties when they basically haven't touched the ball before.
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I support England team in that match and hope they win. But I definitely want Southgate to lose the game because of his cowardice with the subs...
Can the teams swap the managers for the penalties and let England win with Mancini as a manager?
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2 minutes ago, Baptista_8 said:
Strange post
Why? He is just mocking up someone who spouted that ******** over Chiesa injury.
Though, considering the author he could really mean it... But should be read as a reply to that Chiesa message.
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Who was that person who said in another thread that it's not possible to book players for simulating injuries because it's impossible to determine if it's faking the injury. Show him Maguire being "hit" there
This game is going to turn into a complete shitfest.
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3 minutes ago, Heartwork said:
Seen them given though, deliberate foul and all that.
Pretty sure, you haven't. I am all for red cards for such fouls but unfortunately those (much worse fouls even) type are never given as red cards.
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Just now, BigV said:
Not had many counter oppertunities tbf, grealish would keep the ball and be the magnet, both would be great but i guess we wait and see
They will be brought on on 105th minute. I just don't understand this at all. They will have an advantage for 25 mins. But he could bring them on 65th and the advantage would've been to 55.
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1 minute ago, ginnybob said:
**** off
What was miraculous with that recovery?
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1 minute ago, BigV said:
Gotta have the ball to do that, been on the backfoot.
Well, I'd say it's the opposite actually. Someone like Rashford is super dangerous on the counter. So, him coming on will unsettle the opposition trying to do a possession football.
Grealish - may be, you need to control the game more, so he would be more useful when chasing the game. Still, even him coming on will be a huge boost to England straight away.
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Why the hell doesn't Southgate use the biggest advantage England has over all the opponents on this tournament? Top class attackers on the bench. Unleash them at 65-70 minutes and they well have plenty of time to destroy the tired defense.
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Just now, VP. said:
you should take every advantage possible to win
Perfect. So, why didn't you like the suggestion from @DJ?
I got a heavy knee injury a month ago and still suffer because of it. So, yeah. Only a moron could wish an injury on some other person.
To be honest, that is "fine" as there are lots of morons and in some of my actions in life I am also a moron. But what is even worse is refusing to acknowledge such behaviour and trying to defend it by saying that it's fine.
4 minutes ago, VP. said:Why haven't you answered me from earlier (if it wasn't you I quoted I apologise) saying why is it OK to be happy if an oppositions best players are injured before a match but not during it? As there is absolutely no difference, the player still misses the game
Wasn't me. I totally agree with you here. It's totally the same. Same awful thing to wish.
And yeah, I really believe that the players from the England team would prefer that the opposition players don't get injured. I hope it is so, surely.
I really struggle to believe we have a discussion if it is acceptable to wish physical harm on other people. It's 2021 ffs.
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Just now, VP. said:
So you're asking me to answer the question I asked you which I clearly don't know the answer to or I wouldn't have asked in the first place?
Come one, man. You just said that you hope that a player is being knocked again on the existing injury, so that he would be out of one of the biggest games of his career.
Obivously, it's a totally different scale to wishing death but it's exactly the same direction of moral values.
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4 minutes ago, VP. said:
Why would I want the oppositions best players fit?
There is one simple reason for this...
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4 minutes ago, Icondacarver said:
No dive there, upper body check and got his legs too.
Not a dive there?
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Just now, Astafjevs said:
Ref gave England every chance to score there. Generous timekeeping
Was ridiculous that he didn't whistle when Walker was wasting 30 secs on a throw-in. And then almost an extra minute.
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John Barnes
in 2022 World Cup Forum
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Presssure - yes. But to put pressure you need to do some actions. Like real actions. Sanctions, limiting diplomatic relations, not doing any business deals on a government level etc. A message is not an action. For me, as I said originally, it's just a PR stunt without any action and without putting any pressure on them to change.