Djeon36

My Idea behind this tactic is to have the left WB overlap the left IW and cross into the box for the DLF. To be honest I haven't tried DLF too much but I've heard its basically like a TF but who can dribble its something I'm trying to experiment. I think I've realized that I'm focusing too much on trying to get my TF to be the #1 scorer so I'm trying to diversify my team with more attackers. The Wingers are on attacking to provide better offense since I've been struggling to score goals. My main issue with the wingers is to get them defending narrow. I realized that wingers don't do much defending even on support duty. I'm currently experimenting with Wide Midfielders but I've never used them before.

Here's what I've been working with based from the posts. I'm still tinkering with many roles since I'm still pretty new to making tactics and don't understand all of the roles yet but I think I'm understanding the point in trying to make the tactic more deadly on the counter. Let me know if there is any changes you would recommend.

I How would you set up a 442 tactic with this idea? I've been trying to see if I can use your ideas in a 442 but can't seem to get it to work.

Go for it! I'm probably going to make a brand new save with this tactic. It took me a while and a lot of experimenting to try to find what works and doesn't. Once I can get some better details down, I can make a pt 2 to this topic. I'd love to see what you think of the changes I proposed? How does it work for you, what do you see in ways that this tactic can improve?

So after a few years of playing FM and getting myself into the rabbit hole of football tactics, I've finally created my own Dyche inspired 442. This is derived from tons of research on FM Fourms, Youtube Videos, and online articles on Dycheball and the art of the 442 tactic. By all means this tactic is not the final one made but I think I have most of the parts down. I was thinking about making this my own post but in honor of this thread that started my Dyche ball craze, I'll post here. So here is my tactic!!! I went with Bournemouth due to the rumors that Dyche might be the next manager there. Also this squad is pretty similar to Burnley back when Dyche was in charge so it makes sense to try to replicate his style. There are many PI's I put into here so I'll talk about them. GK I use a regular SK on Defense with no PI. I want him to sit back and launch those long balls to the moon to our strikers. The goal is to try to get them to the front as fast as possible. I would recommend a GK with good passing and vision. Travers seems to be ok for this role but im sure you guys can find better GK's. If you stick with him make sure you train his vision more. CB So for my CB's I went with a regular CD and a BPD with PI's dribble less, I want him to sit back and ping long balls to our strikers who can flick headers to supporting midfielders. I feel like Burnley's CB's don't venture or dribble too far up as they like to stay back and defend. If you don't have a BPD you can do either two CD or NCB. I haven't tried NCB's yet let me know how it works for you guys if you try it out. Full Backs Now Full backs are a bit tricky since there isn't too much about how they play. I did a WB on support on the right side so it can make overlapping runs which is something Dyche did with Lowton as the RW would tuck in leaving space for him to run forward. I have Cross More Often, Cross From the byline, Shoot less, and Stay wider on in order to encourage him to overlap as much as possible. The Left back is just a traditional FB on support with cross more often, shoot less, and hold position. I want him to sit back to cover his attacking winger and cross from deep. Dyche likes to have one of his FB to stay in place during the defensive phase to provide more defensive solidity since his other WB is up the pitch overlapping. I'm not sure if I should leave this as it is or change it to a FB on Defend. Let me know if you guys think a FB on Defend is the better move. CM The CM's was probably the hardest part of this tactic I couldn't figure out. Unlike the FBs, I could barley find anything about them except like one sentence from a youtube video. The BWM on defend is the easy one and is a no brainer since Dyche uses Jack Cork as a BWM who would hold position and aim to win the ball. In FM this works well with the IW on the right since the BWM on defend drops deeper giving space for the IW to run in front of him. I have mark tighter as a PI for him. The left CM is the position that I'm stuck on. Normally Ashley Westwood is used for his great passing and vision to make some great passes to the strikers and venture a bit ahead of the holding midfielder. I don't like DLP because of how he would drop back deep to collect the ball from the CB's when our main goal is to punt the ball to the strikers and collect the 2nd ball from them. I decided to use a CM on support since it seems the closest role to me with take more risks, cross more often, shoot less often, tackle harder, and mark tighter. I want this guy to utilize his passing and defensive ability. I'm not sure if a BBM would work since he doesn't focus on passing much like a DLP and just runs up and down the midfield. I leave this position up to you guys to see which one works best and fits the "Westwood" role better. Wingers Wingers are pretty straight forward. The RW is a IW on support to cover the deep BWM. I have shoot less often, sit narrower, and mark tighter on. I might add cross from deep and cross more often but I'm not sure how often the RW would cross. I think they're used to collect the 2nd ball from the TF once he wins the header and pass it on to the overlapping WB. The LW is a traditional attacking winger which is what Dwight Mcneil played. The role pretty much suits perfectly what I need only I added shoot less often and mark tighter on. Dwight would pretty much run wide and cross from the byline to the TM who would be in the box and attack on his own. Sometimes Mcneil would cut in and play like a IW on the left when he has the ball and has more license to dribble. In order to get a player to play like that when he has the ball, I would recommend training the player to have the trait "like to cut in from the left" this will naturally make the player cut in from the left when he he's dribbling with the ball even if he's on a winger role but also sometimes stick to his assigned PI's. RDF made a recent video about this which really explains a lot. Strikers Now strikers is up to interpretation and I did take some liberties to change the roles to fit my team better. I'll start with the 2nd biggest headache for me making this tactic and it was the role of the TM. During Chris Wood's time in Burnley, he was the big man for this team and would mainly fulfill the roles as a TM and had the most goals scored on the team. Almost all of the long balls would be played to him and he would win the header, and flick it off to a supporting player. However, as soon as he flicks the ball off, he would immediately run into the box to receive the cross and head the ball in. Trying to replicate this in FM is hard due to the TM sitting so deep. I decided to do TM on attack for now since he's a TM but doesn't sit too deep and tries to fancy some scoring chances for himself. I have seen other tactics that would utilize him as a Poacher but I am not sure if a poacher would try to drop down to win headers like a TM would do. I'd like to see what the FM community thinks about this and I can make some changes to see what's better. For PI's I made him move into channels and mark tighter. The other forward is a regular AF with mark tighter which is not that Dyche used but it fits Solanke well so I just left it at that. Normally I believe a PF on Attack would suit the Dyche style better. Team Instructions Now for team instructions and mentality, I am struggling a lot on. I think that the Cautious mentality works best since its made for teams to do a direct counter attack, but if you have any better ideas I'm all ears. You can do either Narrow or Very Narrow shape but I prefer very narrow since you want your team to stay compact to gather the 2nd ball after your TF wins its header. I've been experimenting if I should leave pass into space on or off and have no clue which is better so ill leave that up to you guys. Same thing with the tempo and passing directness, you can either make the passing directness more direct or extremely direct and the tempo from higher or standard. I don't like much higher tempo since it doesn't give time for your team to get into position and allow the WB to start its overlapping run. Early crosses is a no brainer and I like play for set pieces since we can use our teams height advantage much better during set pieces. I like Hit early crosses since that's kind of what Dyche does. Finally be more disciplined allows the team to stick to their positions and not do any fancy rotating or positional play. Remember this is Dyche ball were talking about not some elegant Pep like play. In transition, I put on counter press since Burnley surprisingly presses more than you think. They don't just like to sit back and soak up pressure, they press when the ball is high up on the pitch and then fall back into a compress low block once the ball is lost (which is hard to create in FM). I put slow pace down to allow some time for my players to get into position once the ball is on the GK feet but I might change it into nothing. Like I said earlier, Burnley tend to press pretty high with their two strikers pressing the opposition CB quite heavily so I have the Line on higher and the defensive line on standard to allow the team to fall back once the initial press doesn't work. I also put Trigger press at the highest since they press pretty hard There are still many things that I am working out but would love everyone to try this tactic out and make some changes to see what works better. Here is an overall list of stuff that I'm experimenting and encourage you guys to try it out. Happy FMing!!! Consider Changing... Both CD into NCB. I think this might suit the Burnley style better since NCB are hard coded to pass more directly and to stay behind Try to make the left FB on support or defend mostly it need to just hold position. Make the right WB to overlap and cross early The CM(s) position, either DLP on support or BBM. I realized that you need to swap the CM positions since the BWM on defend is too far away from the TF to collect the 2nd ball. The TF position poacher or TF?????? Team Mentality from Cautious to Balanced or Positive. Pass into space or naaahhhh Focus playing on the right and left flank on! I realized I forgot to mention this since Dyche ball like to play on the wings Passing directness and tempo GK to distribute quickly or slower or neither. Distribute to target man. Change it to specifically kick it to the TF/Poacher I realized that if you do distribute to target man with poahcer, the GK just randomly kicks the ball long not really aiming for anyone. Defensive and Pressing lines up to you guys tbh. Once again thank you to @engamohd for this wonderful thread. I found it to be very helpful and I wouldn't have gone down this rabbit hole if it wasn't for you

What do you guys think about using this tactic in fm22 since they made lowblocks better

Wow that's awesome thank you for the research. Do you think maybe a PF(S) would work better than PF(a) since a PF on support would drop deeper and try to be more creative? Not sure about its attack outlook though cause I don't really use PF on support much

Just wondering what kind of striker do u think plays when Klopp doesn't use a false 9? I feel like this is what happens when Jota plays at striker or someone else? maybe PF(a) works? since they press the opposition more than a ST(a)?