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12 minutes ago, drhay53 said:

From a user experience perspective, I think an ideal situation would be that when you're setting up a save in the UI, there are a couple of well-explained sliders that impact how much the quality of a given nation or league can be impacted by performance; users who want to forego "realism" for a visible impact in their 20 year save can slam those sliders to an extreme value. Users who want realism for a 200 year sim can leave it on default or make it less impactful. etc.

This solution would be the answer.  It's clear there are people on both sides of the "realism" argument and it's the only way SI would keep everybody happy.  I really like the idea.

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15 hours ago, Andrew James said:

I hope that all makes sense. I've already taken notes from this thread regarding how we can go about improving this feature in the future, but I hope you can appreciate that we want to keep things realistic - and it's a tight line to walk when we're trying to deal with situations that users may achieve in game for which there's very little precedent of in real life.

First of all, many thanks for taking the time to post and clarify things.  I was playing my San Marino Challenge basically trying to improve my world ranking more than anything else, and now I know not to do so.

I guess my main comment is around this paragraph.  I do understand you want FM to be realistic.  But in game it is possible to win the World Cup with San Marino.  It's tough - but I did it in FM19 (only took me until 2042, so not even a 100+ year save) and I'm far from the best FM player in the world.  Already in the San Marino Challenge thread, we have people getting out of Nations League Group D and doing miles better in Euro/World Cup qualifiers - and indeed one player has qualified for the Euros and beaten a team in the top 50 in the world.

Now, in real life - there is no chance that would ever happen.  San Marino might sneak one win every 5-10 years against Andorra or Liechtenstein or something if they improve (which I believe they have a little) - but it's just not going to happen.

So, in fact reality in FM should be more what it is possible to achieve in game rather than the real world if you follow.  FM is quite simply far from realistic in terms of what you can achieve with San Marino and any other small club/country that you can name.  My thought with DYR was it would match in game reality if that makes sense.  This made a lot of sense in my mind for a long term save with a nation like San Marino.

Anyway, that's my 2p - I am super-passionate about the San Marino Challenge, my current save is one of those saves you know you're going to be playing for a very long time.  I know my passion does rather overflow sometimes, but I hope I've worded this right - it is most certainly intended to be constructive feedback and I do really appreciate your and the team's work  on FM - and again you personally for taking the time to feedback in this way, which is really helpful.

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@Andrew James I don't see a fix for this issue in the change list, but it does say "including, and not limited to" in the heading..., so maybe/hopefully?

If it has been fixed, I'm taking it comes under "gameplay" and would not require a new save?

Thanks in advance for your time.

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@Andrew James I'm currently on season 1 of a San Marino Challenge save, which is very much like the FC Andorra example @talc25 provided.

It sounds like you might tweak NYR growth in a future patch for countries like Andorra and San Marino - would this be something that would require a new save or not?  I will drop the anchor on my save if it's the type of thing that would need a new save.

Thanks in advance.