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    Football Manager 2022 Headline Features - In The Studio Part 1

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by pats

    8 hours ago, DarJ said:

    I also saw that wide players don't just run forward with the ball dribble and kicking it against the legs of the defenders, they actually turn around and pass the ball back.

    It's still too early to tell from a short clip if that is going to be the case but I'm excited

    May be animations were not there but that has always been possible in last 3-4 FM versions as far as I can remember. My wide players always pass back if I want them to. This depends on mentality, tempo, tactical instructions and player traits.

    All new changes seem promising. :):thup:

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    The 'We will bore you to death by passing' tactical challenge (UPDATE: Scored a 65 pass goal)

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted · Edited by pats

    Tactics:

    Alright guys, here is the tactics I created to score that goal. Just remember though, even though the tactics worked in that match against a specific opposition, doesn't mean it works all the time. I'm still having to make tweaks every match and sometimes it doesn't work. Also, that kind of football requires more than just tactics. Sure tactics plays the major part but you also need:

    - good team cohesion

    - good technical players

    - good dressing room atmosphere

    - good tactical familiarity

    - specific training regime

    It's not a plug-n-play tactics, FM has matured so much now, the AI reacts to your changes very well. You need to be very patient. Sometimes your team will take until last minute to score that winning goal and sometimes you will be tempted to make them more attacking against weaker oppositions.

    Team instructions:

    - 'Balanced' mentality to maintain the balance between going too attacking or too defensive.

    - 'Standard' width for good horizontal spacing between players and not influencing their passing decisions. At the same time, I also want to create wide overloads like Pep Guardiola and Luis Enrique's teams do, which I have achieved through specific player roles and instructions.

    - 'Shorter passing' and 'play out of defence' are pretty much mandatory for any possesstion based tactics.

    - 'Dribble less' to encourage 'pass first' mentality. It reduces the time it takes for the players to make decision whether to pass or dribble. They instantly think about passing first. This encourages quick passing which is required to evade opposition pressure.

    - 'Be more disciplined' is the key here in my opinion. I've played without it as well as with 'Be more expressive' but with both of these my players were sometimes trying hollywood passes from the deep (may be it's just my players), and I wasn't happy with that. Also, sometimes I was getting pinned back to my own half by gegenpressing and stronger opponents. You can always create movement by giving adventerous roles like mezzalas which as you can see I have done.

    - 'Much lower tempo' for patience. You can increase it by one notch if you need a goal desperately.

    - 'Frequently waste time' is to get some respite after intense pressing and tackling. Resting on the ball. Again, you can reduce it according to match situation.

    - 'Hold shape' in transition is the key. I don't want to play counter attacking football. I don't even have players for it. My midfielders are all midgets with low strength and pace. They are very technical and intelligent though which is the prerequisite for this kind of football.

     

    Koln_Season02_tactics02_02.png.b45b064fe1bfa8889d02a73437431000.png

     

    Player instructions:

    SK-D: No extra PIs

    BPD-D: 'Stay wider'

    FB-S (both): 'Stay wider'

    DM-D: No extra PIs

    Mezzala-S (both): No extra PIs

    IF-S (Both): 'Stay wider', 'Hold Position', 'Hold up ball'

    PF-A: 'Take fewer risks', 'Roam from position'

     

    Front 3 are all on 'Attacking' mentality. One 'teamwork' and one 'defensive shape' session before every match for match preparation training.

    Let me know if you guys have any questions regarding the reasoning behind some of the instructions.

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    Scored this sensational 65 pass Guardiola-esque team goal

    in Football Manager General Discussion

    Posted · Edited by pats

    16 hours ago, FrazT said:

    Yep- pretty special that- 60 passes in your own half then boom!- how many times when it happened live did you shout ate them to get the ball forward?

    We kept possession for 2 min. 20 seconds. I actually didn't want my boys to force the play and wanted them to keep moving the opposition to find space. After the first minute, I got quite excited and started cheering every pass. :D The climax with the goal was a pleasant surprise. Also, clapped for my players afterwards like they were real. :applause:

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    The 'We will bore you to death by passing' tactical challenge (UPDATE: Scored a 65 pass goal)

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted · Edited by pats

    BIG UPDATE:

    So I'm just not happy with pulling my wide forwards back to MR/L strata. Sure I can keep possession but it just doesn't feel right. They are too deep and this is not positional play of Guardiola and Enrique. My aim with this save is to replicate meaningful positional play based possession football even with the limitations of the match engine and lack of roles provided to us by SI. If I just wanted to keep possession for the sake of it, I could easily do it but that's not what I want. 

    So my current solution to have my wide forwards stay 'high and wide', 'hold position', 'hold up ball' and 'cross less often' is to play my forwards in 'IF-s' role with their strongest foot NOT on the opposite flanks they are playing. Meaning right footed forward play on the right flank and left footed on left flank. This along with other instructions of IF-s role makes them play closer to the real life wide forwards in a positional play system.

    Oh and 'Be more expressive' team instruction doesn't work for possession based systems unless mentality is below 'Balanced'. With more freedom there are too many hollywood passes from the deep which we don't want. So I'm still on flexible creative freedom.

    Here is the modified tactic:

    Koln_Season02_tactics02_01.png.a6511a6bef017281e8bd44c33d87ca9c.png

     

    Modified player instructions:

    Both full backs:

    Koln_tactics02.01_full_backs.png.d035e2e97900f742667d47ea550d0963.png

     

    Both IFs:

    Koln_tactics02.01_IFs.png.8c65c7de9f14cb51bdecc0090e890513.png

     

    PF-A:

    Koln_tactics02.01_PF.png.0afbc5efb2dead809ff9bc08af69000e.png

     

    That's it. No extra instructions for SWK-D, BPD-D, DM-D and Mezzala-S. Just their default instructions.

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    The 'We will bore you to death by passing' tactical challenge (UPDATE: Scored a 65 pass goal)

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted · Edited by pats

    QUICK UPDATE:

    Finally lost my first match of the season. Got thumped by Bayern away. My boys couldn't handle Sane, Gnabry and Lewandowski bulldozing their way into my box. We lost 0-3. It's not the loss but the manner in which we lost (conceded 16 shots) is completely against our philosophy of not conceding too many shots. This pattern is getting repeated way too many times against stonger and gegenpressing opponents. We are getting dominated and are hardly able to get out of our own half. In my analysis, my players need more creative freedom to move around to find space for possession. This now calls for 'Be more expressive' as a team instruction. Will try it for few matches and post my results and tactics here if it works.

     

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    The 'We will bore you to death by passing' tactical challenge (UPDATE: Scored a 65 pass goal)

    in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion

    Posted · Edited by pats

    QUICK UPDATE:

    My tactic is still evolving and I keep making small tweaks and changes based on what I see from match to match. For example, the tactic I posted above worked very well against Hannover but next match I was struggling against Leipzig who by the way were showing super human levels of gegenpressing skills in addition to running down the wings all day like jet plans with pace and power. I still managed to draw the match 1-1 though. Take that Julian Nagelsmann! :D

    As for training, I leave general training to my assistant but for match preparation I almost always manually edit and use one 'teamwork' and one 'defensive shape' session. Sometimes against a very weak opposition, I use one 'attacking movement' session. :kriss:

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