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18 hours ago, Fr05ty said:
Thanks! I had added the competitions everywhere but the Nation->Competitions thing. Now everything's working!!! Can't thank you enough! I've literally spent over a month trying to make this work!
I'm glad it worked!
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Did you add the competition under nation (Mongolia in your case). If you select Mongoloa you have reserves in the left side menu and there you add u19 and select custom xml or you add them under nation -> competition. Both ways work. If you don't add them there the game does know that it has to create an u19 competition.
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I'm glad to see people that people took this over. Normally I'd help out but I didn't buy last 2 games because all the errors the editor gave and a lot was still hardcoded. That was really timeconsuming and made it impossible to create a realistic copy of the dutch leagues. Especially the prize money bothered me because clubs got really rich a few seasons in if I didn't edit it but that was hardcoded.
I might pick up next version though. But it depends on the new features. Although I see that the info of lower leagues is created aswell which is nice.
If you ever want to create promotion relegation with Jong teams then I can always help out. I used to move stage 0 to stage 1 and make a hidden stage 0 that drew 1st teams in Group 1 and Jong teams in Group 2 which I could use to relegate Jong teams seperately from the main competition. That might be useful with the upcoming u21 competition.
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Yeah I can only agree. Rising through the ranks of youth coach to first team would be a great addition. And it would add depth to building a FM carreer.
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On 21-3-2018 at 23:34, franss said:
@SlabbekoornThank you for the great response. it sounds so good and thorough. It all sounds so good. Will you please keep us updated on how you advance? And if you ned some one to test it, just let me know. And can't you just consider the AFC's as two different clubs? Because in that case you can use the sundaty and the satyurday version seperately... (whlie I write this I'm thinking that this is such a simple solution, that I cant imagine you have thought that over already...:-)
Yeah I had thought about it, but I was guessing that making them a seperate club and add them back as a B-club would be annoying when you chose to play that club in-game while you promote to the Jupiler League (and Eredivisie hopefully). Although maybe I should just go further like you said. Maybe just make it a permanent affiliated club. Because if in real life, in our example, AFC from the Tweede Divisie (AFC sunday) would go pro then in Holland they'd make a limited liability company (either a stichting or BV) and AFC saturday would be their amateur club. Like Ajax and Ajax Amateurs, Feyenoord and SC Feyenoord, PSV and PSV/av, sc Heerenveen and vv Heerenveen, N.E.C. and N.E.C. Amateurs, FC Volendam and RKAV Volendam, SBV Excelsior and SC Excelsior etc. I should choose just one main club and the other can't get promoted from the Tweede Divisie to the JL.
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@franss No it is nowhere to be played as of yet. I recently distributed all existing clubs into each division and I'm now collecting all the remaining dutch clubs from 2e klasse to the 5e klasse. In the meantime I figured out evertything except for 2 things for the file, both linked to b-teams/2nd teams.
Because there are a lot of 2nd teams in the entire Dutch structure (like AFC 1 sunday in the Tweede Divisie and AFC 1 saturday in the Hoofdklasse, named AFC 2 in the game). The main problem is that it is giving problems with the regional divisions. Because most of the time the first team is a saturday club and the 2nd team is a sunday club. That means regional divisions are impossible to set for both clubs.
I can't really make them seperate clubs because AFC 1 sunday and AFC 1 saturday share the same youth setup and everything. But making it a reserveteam is also weird with regional divisions. I'm thinking of changing them into B-clubs like in Spain but I don't really know yet.
The second problem I'm having is that in order for every club to get their b-team promoted to the other B-teams would require me to add extra reserve teams manually to the Beloftencompetitie otherwise when you promote a 5e klasse club to Eredivisie your reserve team will be useless.
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38 minutes ago, vininavarro said:
Maximum of 18 teams in those leagues... If 5, 4, 3, 2 teams are from the same regional divisio the number of relegations should change to keep 18 teams in the league
So do you want dynamic relegation spots?
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39 minutes ago, vininavarro said:
The problem is if all relegated teams from Third Division are from the same regional division... For example, 5 relegations from Third division are from South Regional Division... The number of teams of regional division is 18, so it would be 18 + 5 relegated... The game relocates the teams automatically
So how would you like to see it?
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What exactly is the problem? The third division is a mixed league so if they relegate then the game will redistribute the teams themselves and you can determine how if you set regional divisions.
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The editor also lost me though because I wrecked my file.
So I postponed the Tweede Divisie for a while and now I've just finished straightening out prize money. I looked into annual reports of Jupiler League clubs and through Sparta's I found that they got 1.200.000 euros more for qualifying for Eredivisie then prize/tv money in JL. In JL they got their prize money + one dutch period champion money (which is 75.000 euro). So when you calculate that with the last place of Eredivisie prize/tv money which is 1.700.000, deduct the numbers and I found out JL clubs only get ~500.000 euro prize/tv money in JL.
So once I got that in, and once I got the Eredivisie listening to me (at the cost of the European places playoff) now the right prize money is handed out to every club and it looks quite realistic after simulating for a couple of years. JL don't hand out a lot of money and that's good news.
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I have found a way into some next level puzzling. I don't know why I always end up in such puzzles but I have found the way to let B-teams promote and relegate in between Tweede Divisie/Derde Divisie/Hoofdklasse and then remove them and let them be added to beloftencompetitie.
Essentially what I do is remove the Tweede/Derde Divisie etc from regular pyramid using "domestic other division" until "end year" 2018 then from "start year"2019 and onwards I add them as a "domestic division" and when drawing teams I use "get all teams from division" and tick the box "exclude B-teams".
Then in the B-team page change the division to "Tweede Divisie" and as secondary division I chose "Beloftencompetitie". Normally it is the other way around but for some reason the secondary has priority when choosing teams.
And then I can make multiple stages in the year before I add Tweede Divisie back where I use the same to exclude B-teams, combine it with "don't add stage if not enough teams" and then I can create a set of custom rules that activate if there are 0 B-teams, 1, 2, 3, or 4 (etc.) then link that using "requirements" to activate league stages so that I can specify how many teams I want promoted to Tweede Divisie. Then the year 2019 when it is added again I remove the B-teams and then Tweede Divisie had 18 teams and Derde Divisie aswell with no B-teams anymore and promotion/relegation has happened in the meantime and now they can promote to JL while the B-teams are into the Beloften next to Tweede Divisie and can win a promotion spot for JL aswell.
I probably lost everyone on the way now, but tl;dr: I can let a normal competition with B-teams promoting/relegating happen in amateur leagues, then remove them from 2019-2020 onwards with Tweede Divisie and Derde Divisie number of teams staying normal (so extra promoting teams to fill up the exiting B-teams at the end of the 2018-2019 competitions).
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I've decided to add the Tweede and Derde Divisie plus Reserve Hoofdklassen and Tweede/Derde Divisie u19 for the upcoming release. B-teams are in the pyramid until the season 2019-2020 starts, I can't let them get promoted or relegated in the years between because the editor and the game can't process that. And unfortunately the editor verifying has complications with the file even though the file is perfectly fine. It's just one of the flaws of the editor.
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@Winski I haven't added the Tweede Divisie and amateur promotion as of yet but amateurs can get promoted to the Jupiler League easily when I will add it and I can add that in under an hour. I just meant to say that I found a way to seperate B-teams from First teams to regulate a specific B-team promotion/relegation.
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9 hours ago, Winski said:
It is looking great!! Can't wait to play with it.
What I don't understand is the following: you are saying that the winner of the Beloftencompetitie can evantually win a JL ticket. But are those rules your own? Because IRL only the winner of the Tweede Divisie can promote to the JL. Or am I misunderstanding your explanation?
Any thoughts about a release date?
I'll release the version I have now pretty soon. Which is just Eredivisie/JL for now unfortunately. But a lot of work was put in realism, youth and reserve.
The promotion between Beloftencompetitie/JL is my own as of now. But it is based on the column of Valentijn Driessen of de Telegraaf of 1 december 2017 that it is based on the rumours that go around about the plans of the KNVB (because of the amateurs beloften joining amateur leagues was stopped in the summer). And because amateur clubs are protesting against B-teams, and nobody wants to promote from Tweede Divisie to the JL so the Jong/B-team/reserve teams are only welcome in the JL and no normal club wants to promote (well aside from the now bankrupt Achilles 29 and ASV de Dijk). The KNVB is going to release their new plans around May this year I think so it isn't all crystal clear but one thing is for sure and that is that the Dutch reserves are going to change anyways. So what I did was take there plans for 2018/2019 and added another group so that the 8 returning teams fit in.
So I have normal rules for 2017-2018 and the KNVB Beker Beloften is included. Then in 2018-2019 FC Emmen reported that the reserves are expanding from 16 to 18 teams, split in 2 groups of 9 (regional) and the top 5 play a champions playoff in the spring (bottom 4 a different playoff). Then from the year 2019/2020 and onwards is when I make the new rumoured KNVB plans in effect which is a semi-closed JL, no B-teams in amateur leagues and set in Beloften who can promote to JL but they have to play a 2-leg playoff against worst placed B-team of the JL. I used a lot of hidden stages so that's how I can draw these specific teams and luckily for everyone, the file is very stable and it does not crash.
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Nike Eredivisie Under 19
Like in real life, it starts with 14 teams and all play one round against eachother.
Nike Eredivisie Preliminairy start
Nike Eredivisie Preliminairy finished
The top 8 teams qualify for the Champions Playoff, the bottom 6 go to Eerste Divisie Under 19 Champions playoff wth the best 4 of the Eerste Divisie Under 19 Preliminairy Round.
Nike Eredivisie Champions Playoff start
Nike Eredivisie Champions Playoff end
Nike Cup u19The Nike Cup has a preliminairy round in August and the following rounds are played from january and onward. The winner of the last years Nike Eredivisie u19 and the Nike Cup u19 don't have to play the preliminairy like in real life and they join the Eight Final in january. The same goes for 4 random teams.
Nike Cup Preliminairy Round
As you can see Ajax under 19 got a bye because they won the 2016/2017 Nike Eredivisie u19, Ajax u19 also won the Nike Cup u19 2016/2017 so instead PSV under 19 finished second in the league and plays in the Nike Supercup u19 so they're also excluded from the Nike Cup u19 Preliminairy round. The other 4 teams are drawn randomly.
Nike Cup end
Nike Supercup Under 19
The Nike Supercup is played at the same day as the Nike Cup's Preliminairy Round.
So that's how the u19's are done. I haven't shown the Eerste Divise u19 but otherwise it'll be a bit too much to post now.1 -
I have already thought of a good way. I'll do 8/9/9 group for b-teams from 2019/2020 onwards. Then 2 rounds until december. From january a 10/8/8 champion/mid/bottom split with also 2 rounds. Winner of champion playoff goes to playoff with worst Jupiler League and can win a spot for JL. I have chosen so many reserve games because KNVB wants to give a proper alternative for B-teams to develop youth players. And with this setup they have a minimum of 14/16 games in preliminairy and 18/14 games in champions/mid/bottom playoff so that's 28/34 games in a season which comes close to what Tweede Divisie/Derde Divisie/Hoofdklasse have to offer.
I'll post pictures of how Dutch u19 is working now in an hour to show you how it looks and I'll create these reserve league in the meantime.
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Small update, and I need your help on thinking of something.
I edited the existing Holland files, had to do some tricks in xml but this is the only way I can keep European playoffs. So Eredivisie is automatically done, but I changed the prize money to the correct prize money. JL is also done and I changed the prize money. Then below the JL I have the Beloftencompetitie. That one is running like it is now, in 2018-2019 I changed it to the KNVB's proposal (http://www.rtvdrenthe.nl/nieuws/123482/KNVB-schetst-nieuw-plan-een-beloftencompetitie-met-FC-Emmen ) which basically is a 9/9 group regional split, best 5 teams go into a top 10 champions playoff, rest of the teams (4 in each) go to a bottom 8 playoff.
Then from 2019-2020 I added the other eight B-teams back to the Beloftencompetitie (Jong Sparta/Twente/Vitesse etc.) and I added promotion/relegation playoff between the worst JL B-team and the Beloftencompetitie champions playoff winner.
Now the thing is I do not know what the plans are going to be, so I have to guess it from now. So I'm going for a regional split A/B/C with 8/9/9 team. With a preliminairy until december with 2 rounds and then a champions playoff with 10 teams, a mid playoff of 8 teams and bottom playoff of 8 teams. I'm hoping that everyone is ok with that?
Luckily though I already added the Nike Eredivisie/Eerste Divisie with champion/mid/bottom playoff, Nike Cup under 19 and Supercup under 19 with all real life rules and that is working perfectly. So now I have to think of the Beloftencompetitie. Then I'll add the Tweede Divisie and Derde Divisie. I haven't added all teams of the entire country yet but I'm compiling all the data.
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Yeah still busy with adding the clubs. Tiresome work. But I have figured out everything else though although I haven't created it yet. After I added the clubs then I'll do as much as I can in the basic editor and then I'll go to the advanced editor. I reckon I'll get the least amount of trouble though.
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No problem have fun with your file!
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I'll give you a step by step guide how to change fixture rules below. Everything should be in advanced rules.
1. First you need to navigate to your competition that you want to change (your division in the list ->"Competition" and scroll a bit down) and look at the number of the "Fixture Rules Index".
2. Go to the fixture rules of the said competition (in your nation -> Fixture Rules -> Rule x), in my case it was "Rule 0".
3. Next I want to get rid of the "Non-EU U18 Players In Match Squad" because Holland does not even have this rule irl. Select it and remove it. Optional if the rule is blanco then it is hardcoded, an easy way to get around this is by adding a new fixture rule and then change it for the competition in the step 1 location (Fixture Rules Index).
(Optional, how to add fixture rules if you don't see the match squad rule to change":
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4. Make sure the Nation rules are at least set to "override rules in code" when you click on your nation (in my case Holland. If you are wondering why, it is how the game choses which rules to get.
- "Combined with rules in code" make a lot of pre-coded rules dominant.
- "Override rules in code" overwrite most pre-coded rules but not all.
- "Edited rules (override all original rules)" is the most extreme way to force your edited rules in the game but a country or competition might not play well with the original rules and crash.
5. Now save, verify and check in-game.
And it worked.Now if you are less fortunate then follow these steps:
A. Make sure you check this tutorial and make sure everything works.
B. Make new fixture rules as shown in optional step 3 (don't delete the old ones) and change the "Fixture Rules Index" in your nation as showed in step 1.
C. Crank up your nation and/or competition edited rules' position compared to pre- and hardcoded rules using "Edited rules (override all original rules)" as shown in step 4.
D. If all fails then you'll have to create the rules from scratch. Delete nation rules and choose "Create new competitions and rules" instead of "Add lower divisions and cups to existing structure".5 -
Thanks Wolf.
I've also messed around with the editor some time to see if I could fix the problem I couldn't last year and this time I fixed the Districtbeker - KNVB Beker qualification problem. I'll explain it later with images. So now I can create Districtbekers, make all the quarter finalists qualify for the first qualifying round of the KNVB-Beker so I'm happy I finally figured it out.
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Does someone know how to make screenshots in the game to post it here?
I also thought of a way to make it more dynamic. What if I make Beloften Eredivisie stage 0 draw all the B-teams in the world (well only of Holland ofcourse), let them play no games and hide that stage. Then make a stage 1 with 16 teams that draws division teams (so all B-teams) based on reputation, and exclude Tweede Divisie and below teams. I can also make groups that group 1 will be Beloften Eredivisie, group 2 can be Beloften Eerste divisie. All drawn by team reputation. And then I continue like I did before.
This way if for example Den Bosch relegates to Tweede Divisie then because of exclusion of Tweede Divisie B-teams it will automatically not draw the team next year in stage 1 of Beloften Eredivisie/Eerste divisie anymore. It would be in stage 0 but stage 0 is hidden and useless. And if Achilles 29 promotes then the B-team will be drawn again.
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FM18
I ran into some trouble yesterday so I reloaded the file to a back up, found my error while editing there. I have to say the file is a mess with all the team drawing but it is working. I don't even know where to start explaining what I did but if I don't I'll forget it myself. I got the file now verified and running. I'll let my pc run for a few hours see if it does what it has to do and then I'll post the file with explanations.
The downside though is that it has to draw existing B-teams out of existing leagues and I have no clue how to make it more dynamic if lower league clubs want to have their B-team included when they're promoted.
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I get it working step by step. First I made the default league 0 stage for Jupiler League. Then a stage 1 where I seperate B-teams in a group and first teams in a group. Then I added Tweede Divisie and told them to draw first teams only. Now I created a playoff which draws teams from seperate JL stage 1 groups and seperate Tweede Divisie/Beloften Eredivisie division level. Now I only have to add the promotion/relegation rules to the JL, Tweede Divisie, Beloften Eredivisie and set league fate actions in the 2 seperate playoffs.
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The Addition of Dutch Lower Leagues (HELP thread)
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Just say the word I can always write out ways to do it. That way the number of jong teams are fixed. There are multiple ways to draw them. You could let them promote/relegate through stage 0 but that route is bugged and eventually amateur teams will be drawn for no good reason.
The second option is to create a stage 0 which you use to draw only first teams (remove jong teams from competition) and no matches. Then create a stage 1 where you draw all Jong teams in groups of 4, 2, 8, 8, 8, 16 and "fool" the system by drawing Jong teams like you the game draws international cup competitions. Then create a stage 2 where you draw all teams from stage 0 and the group A teams from stage 1. For the Tweede Divisie you create the same stage 0 as the Eerste Divisie. But in stage 1 you draw the teams from stage 0 and from Group B from Eerste Divisie stage 1 etc. That way your Jong team can climb to the Eerste Divisie.
Or you can go for the easy version where you draw the Eerste Divisie Stage 1 Jong teams like I explained earlier but based on reputation. It requires a lot less work and your Jong team will be distributed based on club rep. If you play better your Jong team will automatically get "promoted".