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Hi everyone,
Quick question (I have searched and found no answer) - is there any reason custom skins would cause my player relationships (green lines) in the tactics screen to disappear or not form?
I have noticed relationships seem to no longer form when using custom skins.
If so, is there a way to edit this? Thank you
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9 hours ago, HurkaDurk69 said:
Even though it doesn't show up it works
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On 06/11/2023 at 17:18, Wolf_pd said:
There is an item called Player partnerships under Club, but when I fill in players, they are not shown, so not sure what it should do.
Anyone ever manage to work this one out? Player partnerships barely forming for me at all this year0 -
On 06/11/2023 at 17:18, Wolf_pd said:
There is an item called Player partnerships under Club, but when I fill in players, they are not shown, so not sure what it should do.
Anyone ever manage to work this one out? Player partnerships barely forming for me at all this year0 -
On 19/03/2023 at 21:25, ElJefe4 said:
Nice! What a team..
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On 15/02/2023 at 11:43, ekstromlars said:
Recent gig over at The Athletic made me think of this thread. Doing a youth save in France in FM23 and this is still helpful. Take care everyone
https://theathletic.com/4197161/2023/02/15/benfica-academy-inside-joao-felix/?amp=1
Thank you for sharing
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14 hours ago, ElJefe4 said:
A goal even the best Brazil sides would be proud of
Nice!! What did you use to make the GIF that long?1 -
18 hours ago, ElJefe4 said:
I'm not 100% sure that it is quite the golden generation that dominated Europe on FM18 but there's still plenty of promising young players to build around.
Defence:
Antonio Silva will undoubtedly develop into a top class ball playing centre back. Already very impressive technical ability coupled with excellent reading of the game and composure. A bit of work needed on the physical side (strength, heading), but at 19 that will come.
Morato's physicality and aggression compliments him perfectly. At just 19 and 21, these two will be a formidable partnership for the next decade.
Midfield:
A survivor from the golden generation, Florentino Luis' incredible tackling, anticipation and positioning make him a perfect foil for the more creative forward players.
Alongside him is Enzo Fernandez. One of the hottest properties in European football right now and I'm hoping he can fulfil that potential as the heartbeat of this Benfica side.
Attack:
Goncalo Ramos has started like a house on fire with 18 goals in 18 games.
At the time of writing I see these 5 as nailed on starters for a number of years, these 5 form the spine of the team that we build around. Supported by more experienced members of the squad such as Grimaldo and Gilberto at full back and Joao Mario and Rafa on the wings. You know it makes sense @Ö-zil to the Arsenal! !!
Yes, they are looking good; particularly after the UEFA Youth League.Also interested to see Andre Gomes in goal, Rafael Luis, Henrique Araujo and a few others. Looking very strong again
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On 09/08/2022 at 22:51, Garrlor said:
Going strong even in real life!
Fantastic One of the things I under-estimated whilst playing this save was Benfica's position as a selling club; able to sell into all of Europe's top 5 leagues without strengthening direct (domestic) rivals whilst still competing in the Champions League.
Playing an Arsenal save right now and there's far less market for sales without directly strengthening domestic rivals.
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In case anyone has yet to come across the Evidence Based Football Manager youtube channel, it's superb..
Very relevant to this thread and anybody playing youth-focused saves.0 -
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I've set up a twitter account - @pontadelanca10 - for Football Manager and tactical discussions. Not 100% sure how it'll look at this point and still very much planning to continue posting here. Please go ahead and connect, if you're interested. Cheers!
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13 minutes ago, Spiegel said:
I think there's value in trying for utility if nothing else. He can win the ball and carry it - should be pretty press resistant aswell. It's just a case of improving that passing.
Looking at your Tomiyasu, he's got completely different PPMs to mine - how do you get them to stick? I've been trying to teach Patino to play one-twos and he's just not having it. I agree. I am coming around to the idea.
I like the idea of Tierney, Gabriel, Saliba and White with Tomiyasu ahead of them.
On the traits - for me, I find it works very well to combine mentoring groups with training player traits.
'Plays One-Twos' is a good example as I like this trait throughout the squad so I will have quite a lot of players training this trait early in a save and a large mentoring group. My aim is to double-up, so players are simultaneously learning the trait individually and from their mentoring group. Eventually you can get a snowball-effect where, as you have more and more players in the tutoring group pick up the desired traits, the easier it becomes for players in the group to pick up that trait.
Over time, I break the mentoring groups down by function where different groups focus on traits for their respective role. For example, defenders 'Bringing the ball out of defence'.
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Has anyone ever tried converting Tomiyasu into holding midfield?
He's tall, physical, technical and intelligent. Passing, vision and composure are a little light, but I think that could be ironed out within a season.I am thinking he could play the Partey-role at the base of a 4-3-3.
Makes good sense in the transfer market. Partey had a good season and could attract £60m in the transfer market and free up £160k in wages. Southampton went down so Livramento is unsettled and would give us an overlapping option at fullback. Plus I have Vagnoman who had a wonderful first season.
Undecided tactically though.
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On 11/06/2022 at 17:21, hasdgfas said:
does Ballard count? I don't remember if he was bought at any point, but he's real solid in FM22
Yea I think he does, but I don't quite see him getting ahead of White or Saliba at centre back.I've got Reiss Nelson, Omari Hutchinson, Amani Richards, Mika Biereth, Marcelo Flores, Brooke Norton-Cuffy and Omar Rekik all earmarked as potential squad players but not sure I see them being first choice.
The challenge is to get the Arsenal-produced players into the most-used 11 for the season.
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Anyone else seen the FM Challenge on the Athletic podcast?
Essentially to win the Premier League and/or Champions League with Arsenal with six academy players in the team.
The caveat is that the six must have come all the way through the Arsenal system, not signed at any point - so for example, Martinelli, Saliba etc. do not count, even if classed as 'home grown', whereas Smith-Rowe, Saka etc. count. The six must also be in the most-used eleven, so not squad players.
There must be a couple of people here who have already done it?
Seems very do-able. I could certainly see Saka, Smith-Rowe, Nketiah, Balogun and Patino making a solid team, but I'd need to think more about a 6th. Might be fun.
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Apologies for the lack of responses; back in remote East Africa with work and haven't had much time to touch the game in months. I do intend to respond to people's posts when I get time. Thank you as always for your kind words
In case anyone's interested, Arsenal challenge on the Athletic.
https://theathletic.com/podcast/237-the-football-manager-show-by-the-athletic/
Win the league or Champions League with six players from the academy. Must have started at the club (eg. so no Martinelli). Nice timing - as the world goes transfer crazy - to remember the talent we have at the club!7 -
It appears I have inadvertently posted a plug-and-play tactic
Apologies to those attempting to plug-and-play, and not getting results. For what it's worth, that was never the intended purpose of the thread. In fact, quite the opposite; personally I have no interest in plug-and-play tactics and think they are a crutch that prevents people learning the game for themselves.
The purpose of this thread is to showcase my own style of play - based upon collectivity, positional rotations and control - and to encourage others to engage in constructive tactical discussion, contribute their own ideas and share their experiences.
Football is inherently subjective; some may take certain aspects to improve their own style of play whilst others may choose to play entirely differently, and that's ok
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I'm undecided.
I always liked Bellerin and I think he could provide something different to Tomiyasu but his contract situation is very difficult; expiring at the end of the second season and out-of-whack with the wage structure of the rest of the team.
@Carmi88 did you renew his contract in order to see him on later?
Guendouzi is the opposite; I also don't like him
but his attribute profile is exactly what I am looking for. He also seems 'programmed' to hate the club; immediately pushing for a transfer and considering his options at the end of his contract within a week of returning.
Am wondering to what extent it can be mediated with solid playing time, in a system which suits him and an otherwise very stable squad. Just thinking out-loud really
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21 hours ago, milestobudapest said:
Looking forward to if you proceed with the 4-3-3. I had a fair bit of success with a front 5 combination of IW(S)-CF(S)-IW(S) with a Mez(A) and CM(A) in the centre. This meant all 5 players had an individual mentality of Very Attacking. I found it meant the two central midfielders made more runs between the fullback and central defender. However, I know this goes against your overall support structure
Ah, interesting. Yes, the 'free 8' midfield roles are one of the more difficult to get right. How did that set up work for you?If you wouldn't mind - and are still in the same season - I'd be interested to see the how that looks in a couple of pass maps and how they play out over the course of the season with the passing statistics (passes per 90, pass accuracy, creativity stats etc).
I will say my structure is not necessarily an 'overall support structure', although I could see why someone might think that. For me, it's all about balancing Team Mentality and Individual Duties. It just so happens to be that I enjoy attacking football, so most of my systems are attacking team mentalities balanced out by support duties. If I was to play a defensive system, I'd use far more attack duties to balance it.
One day I'll have to do a thread on counter-attacking to set the record straight
18 hours ago, skyline72 said:I also usually does that as well.
Well, it will fit in as a "Total Football" player, isnt it?
Yes, very true!
12 hours ago, MShing said:Being an arsenal fan I'm loving this thread. I have also an Arsenal save going on at the moment. I am in my 3rd season doing well.
I have just started using this tactic and I am loving the style of play it really is suited to the arsenal players. Congrats Ozil more great work.
Coincidentally to your signings I had already signed Felix and De Ligt at the start of the season. I also have Haaland from last season, I have tried this tactic with Haaland in the f9 position but it just doesnt work. I have had to shift him to RW instead of Saka for the moment, hes scored 3 in his last 2 so I might end up retraining him to IW.
The tactic works so much better with Odegaard as f9. Felix on LW is also awesome.
What do you think about retraining De Ligt to Cm as DLP? Tempted to try him and Rice as the cm partnership. Or would that be a waste not having him as CB?
Ah, interesting. Yes, I can see a striker like Haaland changes to the make-up of the attack considerably. Personally I'd play him as a conventional striker; maybe Complete Forward (Support). I use Balogun like this when he's coming through.Interesting to see what the club to in real life as they seem to be linked with striker after striker but a lot depends on the midfield balance.
As for De Ligt - he's a very good option for playing in midfield; although personally not technical or creative enough for the playmaker role. I'd personally suggest a half back or simply a standard defensive midfielder.
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22 hours ago, halfspace3000 said:
I noticed in the past you used "Work into the Box" instruction , is there any reason why you arent using it in FM22 ? @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!
Also i hope for more threads from you this year , keep the good work
Actually, no Well spotted. If I'd noticed myself I'd probably have flicked it on; then again, it can't be making too much difference not to have noticed
22 hours ago, jdubsnz said:So I used the tactic once and lost to Norwich 1-0. they completely outplayed us! I'll give it another whirl though
#OZILOUT Sorry for the poor result. In what way were you outplayed?
22 hours ago, kandersson said:Yeah I noticed a very equal distribution of goals between the front four, though looking at goals and especially goals per 90 minutes Martinelli seems the one closer to being the primary goalscorer (maybe he takes penalties?). It's also interesting to see that Martinelli also has the lowest number of assists ('only' 4 especially compared to 22 of opposite wide attacker Saka) and key passes per 90 minutes so he does seem a little more focused on finishing than the other attackers. Do you think this depends more on role/formation (IF vs IW; overlap left TI) or Martinelli's individual attributes/traits? Or maybe just pure randomness
Smith-Rowe was on penalties.Yes, Martinelli was the primary goalscorer. An inside forward with an overlapping wingback outside him is always going to score quite a lot of goals; particularly attacking the space vacated by the False 9 and with all these creative players around him. Odegaard, Saka and Smith-Rowe are all creator-goalscorer hybrids.
I was also surprised by the assists. It's unlikely to be randomness over the course of a full season. Moving into a 4-3-3 I'd actually plan to play Martinelli in a role mirroring Saka's and their attribute profiles are also pretty similar so I would expect him to add more creativity in his game. I don't see anything in his attributes or traits to explain the lower assists. Can only assume it's his role in relation to the overall tactic.
The 4-3-3 allows space for another attacking profile, meaning 5 players in that creator-goalscorer hybrid.
48 minutes ago, Mutumba said:So, If ive understood this correct: Your RB is a fullback with instructions to tuck inside, and also hold position? So why sign players like Porro or Aarons as RB, when they like to get forward?
Ah apologies, I didn't explain that properly. I was looking for a rightback who could overlap as a backup to Tomiyasu as I thought it would get the best out of Pepe. I am since undecided about that as I just had a surprisingly big offer for Pepe from Inter.I actually really like the look of Porro for the creative inverted fullback role as well; he's got great vision, technique, flair and movement.
Inverted fullbacks seem extremely difficult to find. In most cases I end up retraining a midfielder.
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Has anyone managed to re-integrate either Guendouzi or Bellerin back into the squad after their loans?
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2 hours ago, Mutumba said:
Great post as always, Ö-zil to the Arsenal!
What attributes should one look for when recruiting (attacking) players to a tactic like yours? Pace/acceleration, technique, first touch, dribbling, off the ball?
Also: Are there any changes in PI when using 433
Nearly everything actually I go for very complete players.
All attackers need:
- Stamina, team work and work rate to press
- Technique, first touch, passing, composure and vision
As a massive generalisation:
- I'll use more technical (technique, first touch, passing, composure, vision) players centrally.
- Those with better positioning play deeper roles such as deep playmaker, holding midfielder or inverted fullback.
- Those with better off the ball movement play more advanced roles such as False 9, Attacking Midfielder, Mezzala or even Box-to-Box mid (is quite attacking, in an attacking system).
Wide players are very similar, but with more emphasis on dribbling, pace, acceleration, agility and balance to create one-on-one advantages.
These days I mostly play without an individual goalscorer so I need 4-5 players with reasonable finishing; placing shots trait can be helpful.
If it helps, I do have a few shortlisted players for a few of the roles I'd identified as gaps:
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Right back
- Pedro Porro
- Tino Livramento
- Max Aarons
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Left-sided central defender
- Alessandro Bastoni
- Renan (Palmeiras)
- Josko Gvardiol
- Haydon Roberts
- Goncalo Inacio
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Left-sided holding midfielder (if sticking with 4-2-3-1)
- Ismael Bennecer
- Danilo (Palmeiras)
- Fabian Ruiz
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Miscellaneous
- Jude Bellingham
- Giacomo Raspadori
- Bruno Guimaraes
- Dominic Szoboszlai
- Mikkel Damsgaard
- Isak Bergman Johannesson
- Gabriel Menino
- Jurrien Timber
- Ryan Gravenberch
- Curtis Jones
- Declan Rice
- Joe Gelhardt
- Fran Beltran
- Dejan Kulusevski
- Marc Cucurella
- Florian Wirtz
Then obviously the likes of Bernardo Silva, Foden, Musiala, Sancho, Pedri, Mount, Gavi, Alexander-Arnold etc are excellent but out-of-reach.
I've probably missed a lot but this was my shortlist.
Eddie Nketiah is turning out frustratingly well, for Arsenal fans
1 hour ago, tacticaljoe said:Brilliant post once again Ozil!
Have you considered using "Be more disciplined" ? or will it compromise your roaming instructions'?
Yes, I will use it. Certainly in bigger games or when ahead and looking to close out a game1 -
19 hours ago, Zemahh said:
Ah, I see.
I thought you opted for Attacking Mentality w/ Support duties specifically to achieve Very Fluid shape.
Yes, I can see why that would be confusing. It's actually unfortunate that I never got to write a thread on it but by the end of my time on FM2018 I was using Structured team shape with Support roles and playing a disciplined, collective style of football.Over recent years I have become less attached to 'Very Fluid'; only really using it with world class players. Although it does play the best football
18 hours ago, AndersAas said:Do you still use broad role training or position training to cover all role attributes on players?
Do I understand you correct that during the season you use your own training schedule thats build upon only attacking, defending and tactics general sessions?
Yes, pretty much exactly as described back in the Caixa Academy thread. The only small change is that individual training now covers groups of attributes - eg passing covers vision, passing etc. rather than only one - and that you can now train Endurance which I use quite heavily.Yes, correct on the team training - incredibly simple. I focus on those core sessions as much as possible combined with rest, recovery, building tactical familiarity and team cohesion depending on where I am in the season
12 hours ago, milestobudapest said:Thanks @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!this is actually a really useful way to articulate it. I probably underestimate the effectiveness of our pressing.
Yea, it's very common to see a lack of goals and assume problems with your attack but often it'll be something else. Theoretically you should be able to get goals out of fairly weak attackers - although Pepe did still score 0 for me - if you're managing to effectively sustain pressure.
10 hours ago, ElJefe4 said:The thread I and I'm sure plenty of others have been waiting for
Haven't quite cracked positional play on FM22 so I'm sure this will be a massive help.
On the principals of positional play, are there any player traits that you would consider particularly helpful/harmful in this and other positional play systems? The reason I ask is that I've just started a save and have a pretty blank slate when it comes to traits and I'm having a bit of an argument with myself about it.
Where possible I'm thinking:
LB - Anything that encourages joining the attack and staying wide
RB - Avoid attacking traits
CMs - Avoid the likes of roams from position, gets into opposition box
AML/AMC/AMR - Avoid comes deep to get the ball, teach breaks offside trap
ST - Comes deep to get ballAcross the board I know you've always been a fan of one-twos for attacking players.
On the flip side, I'm thinking it might be better to avoid too many 'movement' traits in case it pigeon holes players into certain roles and restricts tactical flexibility.
Anyone got any thoughts?
Yes, you're very correct across the board.- Always find one-twos useful pretty much everywhere.
- Defenders train to bring the ball out of defence.
- Correct about the right back holding position.
- Central midfielders depends on their role, and whether they're double or single pivot
- Gets into opposition area is quite useful for the Inverted Winger(s); I like the combination of playing high and wide but then getting into the box as a goalthreat in the final third.
- Avoid dwells on the ball
- I am not a massive fan of dictates possession unless the player is an elite-level playmaker
- I train weaker foot a lot; not everyone needs to be either footed, but it's important not to have a weak foot.
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21 hours ago, jdubsnz said:
The squad was pretty small after the transfer update so brought in Goncalo Ramos, Karim Adeyemi and Liam Delap (loan with option to buy) for depth up front, Jacob Ramsey (loan with option to buy) for midfield depth (Patino insisted on going out on loan) and then Morato as CB option and Nordi Makuele who is similar to Tomiyasu. Xaka and Lacazette were supposed to go but rejected contracts on deadline day, sold Nketiah and loaned out Cedric.
Yes, it's a tiny squad. My save started before the winter update but I still decided to sell Lacazette, Aubameyang, Leno, Holding and Cedric. Without European football and putting Cup competitions on the back-burner I was able to get through the season with minimal rotation.That said it's a good opportunity to really cement the young players in the first team and then give game time to those just outside it; Patino, Lokonga, Balogun, Nketiah, Rekik etc.
From then on the squad is a blank canvass; particularly with the returning loans. The squad is a small handful of signings away from playing almost any shape you can think of. The squad definitely needs a bit more depth for Europe though.
21 hours ago, gpassosbh said:Glad you are back @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!... Congrats on this achievement.
I'll try something on my next save. Against better teams, do you change anything on the tactic?? Like mentality, PI, or any other thing??
Not really.Only small changes I can think of are:
- Occasionally using a 4-3-3 depending on personnel but I didn't post it as it wasn't properly balanced.
- Lowering tempo and more discipline to take control of tougher games or hold a lead.
I do like the idea of a pacey Balogun, Nketiah, Pepe attacking three as a rotation-option but needs an overlapping right-back which we don't have.
19 hours ago, Fantasista10 said:This is fantastic @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!
Glad you’re back and playing FM22!
Curious to know if you’ve tried to use Smith Rowe in the False 9 role with Ødegaard as the No. 10 to try and replicate his real life chemistry and relationship with Saka on the right side? Arteta has said in the past that ESR can play as a ‘nine’ so it would be interesting to see if and how that works in the game.
I can see Ø has the perfect attributes for the F9 role however so it makes sense. Using them as duel free 8s in a 4-3-3 could be devastating and it’s something I hope we can see Arteta deploy IRL soon!
Actually, no. I wouldn't be particularly against the idea, but Smith-Rowe is the more dynamic player and - you can probably see in some of the goals - he's particularly effective making forward runs from a deeper position.Similarly Odegaard is very intelligent and creative and thrives dropping into space and playing in one of the runners. Really not much in it though.
16 hours ago, Zemahh said:Seems O-zil is still using Team Shape in the same way, although you now have to change players' Duties to achieve the one that you want:
I completely ignoring the label team shape these days. No idea why it's still there. It seems completely irrelevant.15 hours ago, milestobudapest said:Thanks for the insight
The principles of this way of playing is exactly what I want to achieve when firing up FM. I know you've outlined some of the ways theres, but I would hugely appreciate maybe a small write up on how you might deviate from the base tactic outlined above. I think when I play this sort of system, I often fall short when my team cannot penetrate. The sort of things I might see is:
- High percentage of possession, with lots of passes between that 'back 5'
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The 'foward 5' sitting in a very flat line, but much closer to our own half than the oppositions box.
- These players receive the pass to feet but struggle to progress since options are usually to the side or backwards.
- A wing back perhaps not being able to overlap due to the compression in possession
It isn't usually a player quality problem, since I'd only really try this style with a technical side.
OK - try potentially shifting the paradigm from worrying about attacking penetration to looking at whether the team is managing to achieve sustained pressure on the opposition, with and without the ball.The foundation of sustained pressure is dominating possession in the opposition half. In order to achieve this, you need to implement a structure which allows the team to:
- Build-up play effectively
- Circulate possession effectively
- Press effectively
If you are happy the team are consistently dominating possession on the opposition half then start looking at attacking structure:
- Attacking through 5 channels
- Player profiles
- Player roles
Hopefully this helps
17 hours ago, kandersson said:Great to see a new thread by @Ö-zil to the Arsenal!
This 4231 looks like a more controlled version of the famous asymmetric 424 from the Caixa thread. I know you'll probably switch to 433 but I always expect a classic overload/very fluid evolution for the 424
Fantastic work as usual!
Yes, it's not far off Thank you 2
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FM2018 was my personal favourite for balance between the match engine and functionality of the tactics creator.
FM2024 is actually very good if you want to play positional football; easily the best ever for moving between one system on paper and a 3-2-5 / 2-3-5 / 3-1-6 in attack. The downside is that unfortunately positional football has become mandatory; you might try to play a narrow system, diamond, something more creative, but it all ends up in a positional 3-2-5 / 2-3-5..