Maddux

Seems like someone liked the "fun" version of the tactics so much that he submitted the tactics to Zealand, who then featured it in his latest video on Youtube. I'm glad that someone liked the tactics so much that he though he needed to submit it to Zealand. But i'm honestly pissed about the ratings the tactics got and the fact that the folks rated it without playing a single game with it. Because then Zealand's rating would've been better and none of the folks would've stated that the tactics will concede many goals from long balls. Everyone here that tried the tactics knows that this isn't the case. The current version of the tactics is attached here. - changed the width to wide to stretch the opponent's defence as much as possible - went back to the Anchor Man because the DM-De pushed up to high and made it to easy for the opponent to cover our 3 central midfield players (the A and the 2 Liberos) FM 24 asym 1 at the back v1.4.fmf

I'm glad you liked the tactics. Any changes on player roles?

It's attached to the post that you've quoted But attached to this post you can find the updated version. I changed the Anchor Man to DM-D and the CWB-S to WB-S. I think that i will stick with the DM-D but i'm still testing which wingback roles is better. The WB hits more and earlier crosses while the CWBs positioning is a bit more offensive. FM 24 asym 1 at the back v1.1.fmf

I did just half a season with Eintracht Frankfurt with 1L - 4D - 21W in 26 matches across all competitions. The only loss was a 1-2 loss against Chelsea in the Champions League where they had 6 total shots and scored from 2 corners.

Long time no see but here is an update for the tactics. Or a (fun) alternative version of the tactics to be exact. I became pretty upset recently with all these "haha i'm so funny" troll post on Reddit where people posted their 1-defender-tactics they concede 10 goals per match with and asking why they're keep losing. But then i remembered how Inter Milan is playing with the central defenders often pushing into midfield during buildup while midfielders like Calhanoglu dropped back into defence. And i thought: "Hm, wait a minute. Maybe this could work. How about defending with just 1 player while in possession but concede 0 goals?". So i took my asymmetrical 3-4-3 as a base, did some changes on a few roles and it works. It works like a charm. During buildup and in possession the players position themself on the pitch exactly how you would imagine or how you can see in the picture below. Both Liberos push up into midfield beside the Anchor Man to create a 1-3 buildup. The Trequartista drops deep into midfield (especially with the Comes deep to get ball PPM) to form a line of 4 in the more advanced midfield and the strikers lurk further up the pitch for through balls. One might think that a Half Back would be better than an Anchor Man to create the player movement that you can often see from Inter Milan. But that's not the case. The HB and middle CB will cuddle during buildup and block each other, which will cause many possession loses with no central player to challenge the striker. Changing the middle CD to Libero to will fix this buildup problem but the HB will push up in possession with all 3 Liberos allready high up the pitch. And then we have no player left defending against long balls. I've tested a bit with different roles and positions for the Trequartista and changing him to CM-A or MEZ-A is an option. But just if you already have the lead and want an even more compact midfield to keep possession. When attacking the Trequartista is the best option. He will act like a AP-A in the CAM position during buildup, dropping deep and offer a passing option in left central midfield. Without having the same pull on the ball playmaker roles have. This dropping movement will pull defenders out of position and creates more space for the AF on the near post when we play over our left CWB. And he will act as a goal threat on long post when we play over our right side. The AP as a playmaker has to much pull on the ball, and both the AM-A and Shadow Striker position themself to much in the centre when we progress into the final third, sitting on top of the AF and leaving the post on their side empty. Why the tactics concedes such few goals with just one player in a defensive position during possession? Because there are 9 players in the opposition half very close to each other and to every opponent that could try to initiate a counter attack. Passing lanes are pretty much closed, opponents have one or often even 2 of our players close to them that can challenge the ball and the only option left is a desperate long ball to the striker. Or both strikers. Weirdly enough the tactics works against tactics with 2 strikers to. You first get the shivers when you see the lonely middle CD standing between 2 strikers but it works. Because the CD just has to challenge the long ball and hold up the striker if he can control the ball while the Liberos drop back pretty quick to form a back-3. I've tested the tactics with a team that was already practicing the asymmetrical 3-4-3 in training sessions. Even they never played in the original 3-4-3 the familarity was already high due to training practice and still good after the changes on 4 roles. So you might want to give your players a couple extra tactics training sessions for a better familiarity with the tactics to see best results. Because the Liberos mostly play in central midfield you can also use CDMs on the Libero position and see good results. Most of their defensive duty is picking up passes anyway and there are just a few crosses coming into our box. Try this version of the tactics and tell me how it works for you. FM 24 asym 1 at the back v1.0.fmf

Genau so. Auf der 10 musst du schauen was für dich besser funktioniert. Götze ist der klar bessere Vorbereiter, während Chaibi schneller ist und auch als Torschütze glänzt.

Prinzipiell von der Formation und den Rollen her würde ich an der Taktik garnichts ändern. Bei den TIs würde ich ggf etwas kürzer und schneller spielen lassen. Ggf sogar mit "work ball into box". Das Spielermaterial gibt es her. Ich würde die Spieler auf folgenden Positionen einsetzen: DM: Skhiri, Rode, Hasebe ZM: Larsson, Götze RM: Knauff, Dina Ebimbe, Buta OM: Chaibi, van de Beek HS: Kalajdzic, Bahoya ST: Ekitike, Marmoush Zentral im Sturm braucht es eher Antritt und Geschwindigkeit statt die Kopfballstärke von Kalajdzic. Zudem kommen die hohen Flanken in der Taktik ohnehin immer auf den langen Pfosten. Und da ist dann ein Kalajdzic Gold wert. Für die zentrale Sturmposition ist er viel zu langsam aber auf der Position der Hängenden Spitze ist das egal. Dafür kann er mit seiner Physis Bälle gut festmachen und an den schnellen Stoßstürmer weiterleiten. Alternativ kann man auch mit Kalajdzic als 10er spielen und dafür Chaibi oder van de Beek als Hängende Spitze aufstellen. Von der dünnen Personaldecke in der Innenverteidigung abgesehen ist der Kader wie gemacht für die Taktik. Kauf dir Kempf von Hertha BSC. Sehr günstig, solide und zählt als Vereinseigengewächs, weswegen er in der UCL keinen Kaderplatz wegnimmt. Fall nnamdi Collins in deinem Save nicht gut genug ist noch einen rechtsfüßigen Innenverteidiger verpflichten und der Kader ist fertig.

The attacking corner setup that works best for me is: - inswinger short post - A1 + A2 attack short post - A3 mark keeper - C1 + C2 lurk outside near and far side - C3 come short - D1 + D2 stay back - D3 stay back if needed / lurk outside centre defending corners: - A1 mark near post - A2 mark far post - A3 player mark - A4 to A6 zonally mark 6y-box near post, far post, centre - B1 edge of area - B2 go back - C1 stay forward centre - C2 edge of area

What i do against a 4-2-2-2 when playing a 4-3-3 is the followin: - instruct my 2 CM to man-mark the opposing CAMs. That way their creative players and strikers are marked with my DM being a free man that can close holes - use the "trap outside" TI - remove POOD and all transition TIs except for counter and counter press plus i add WBIB POOD and distribute to xxx makes your buildup more predictable and easier to press. With WBIB your players will still try to play a controlled buildup but it's less predictable and you can better pull opponents out of their position. - i wouldn't use pass into space. The 4-2-2-2, even with defenders out of position, is still a very narrow formation and spaces are hard to find. Passing into space can result in your players losing the ball to often. - put the passing tempo one or 2 ticks higher. It should be easier to pull opponents around and your players have the technical abilities to pass faster

I don't know anything about Juve or how they play, so i can't tell you how to replicate their style of play. In general how to get a lot of long shots in a 4-3-3? I think that it could work if you're using a more controlled approach with working the ball into box and playing back-passes in front of the box to your central midfielders. With that any vertical CM role should do the job. CM-A, BtB. Vertical Playmaker. But i don't how to to set it up tactics wise because i've never tried.

@Adonalsium Making screenshots of the positioning in offense and defence turned out to be harder than i thought. There is just to much movement depending on opponents that it's hard to find scenes where i can say "yes, that's the typical positioning", especially in defence and transition phase after losing the ball. I would've to do at least 6 screenshots for a single scene, in offense and defence, the give a decent overview on how players move. I figured that it' better to get my OBS running again, record some scenes, cut it together and upload it on youtube to link the videos here. But i can't promise how long it takes. maybe i get it together until sunday. In the meantime i recommend downloading the tactics and try it in a throw-away save to get a quick look how the tactics works.

Thanks for posting your test results. My tactics arend't finished products, at least not with the TIs. Many Tis are highly situational depending on your own players and your opponents tactics and i always put a lot of effort into explaining why i use things, why i don't use something and what you can change when. It isn't my goal to just give people something that they can copy and hopfeully will work most of the time but to educate them and help them to build there own tactics, Either from scratch or by adapting an existing tactics like mine. Here is a tactics building guide that i wrote: https://theffm.co.uk/t-for-tactics

I can do that later today. I rarely conceide goals from counter attacks with this tactics.

He could be in FM 24 but he wasn't in FM 22. The AM_At is starting a bit deeper than the SS and will be marked by a defender later, which gives him a bit more time and space. But idk how it's with the FM 24 match engine and you have to try it out yourself. Maybe a Trequartista turns out to be the best role in FM 24. Save before a match and run it 3 times with a different role each time to see how the movement and marking is with each role.

Yes, that's how i played with my asymmetrical 4-2-3-1 until FM 22. DLF-Su IF-At AM-At W-Su Striker and CAM both offset. The DLF dropped very deep during transition and pulled the central defenders out of position, which created space for the IF and AM to run into and receive a pass from midfield or cross from the winger. It was pretty effective but i havend't tried it since.

There are 2 ways in FM 24 in which a AMC can work in one of the traditional formations: - as SS in combination with a striker that opens spaces for him - as a playmaker with attackers that move around into and create spaces Both scenarios, like in most working tactics, need movement and spaces but there is none in your tactics. In one tactics you play with one AF plus 2 IF-At. These roles have very little movement and occupy the same space the attack minded AMC wants to run into. In the other tactics you're playing him as SS behind 2 AF. Again very limited movement and creation of spaces. It's your tactics and not the "poor" match engine that makes the AMC perform so bad.

1.) i did in FM 23 where i played the wingers with their strong foot inside but swapped positions to get more crosses. But i'm not doing it anymore in FM 24 because of the match engine and IFs mostly taking shots with the outside foot anyway. It just dosn't matter if the outside foot is the stronger or weaker one. So i prefer to play them with their strong foot outside because this way i'll get more crosses. 2.) yes, the right CM is the more offensive one. The left winger on support duty is cutting inside earlier than the right winger and would occupy the left half-space at the same time with a more offensive left CM. This isn't a problem on the right side because the IF-At advances to the box when the CM advances in the right half-space. 3.) i'm using floated crosses just if i have a tall striker, which is rarelly the case. And even then it feels that whipped or mixed crosses are better.

I updated the entry post with explanations about player roles, team instructions and player instructions.

It isn't a counter attacking tactics but can strike well on the counter.

New year, new tactics, new thread. But this time a tactics that is anything but basic. Just like my other tactics, this one is in development for a couple years as well. Originally I tried to replicate Eintracht Frankfurt under Adi Hütter and it worked pretty well, except for that I had to or wanted to make changes in the front-3. Adi Hütter used Sebastien Haller as a Target Man that was dropping back to the #10 position, which wasn't that hard to replicate. But not everyone has a player like Sebastien Haller and I don't like to build tactics that just work with the perfect set of players. But replicating Hütters tactics with a slightly different front-3 turned out to be a decision when Oliver Glasner took over at Frankfurt. Glasner also sticked to the 3-4-3 formation Frankfurt was using since Niko Kovac but with a different front-3. His approach was one with a player like Mario Götze as a classic #10, Jesper Lindström as a DLF and Randal Kolo Money as Advanced Forward. Fast forward to last summer. Frankfurt released Glasner after a bunch of internal and external disputes and hired Dino Toppmöller as the new coach. Someone that isn't well known as a coach except for his respectable achievements with F91 Düdelingen and his assistant manager job at Bayern Munich under Julian Nagelsmann. But maybe it was destiny that he had to become a coach and got the job at Frankfurt because his father Klaus Toppmöller, a well known name in german football, coached Eintracht Frankfurt in the 90s. Let's take a look at the formation before I go deeper into the tactics (formation with players for an easier explanation and better understanding) While Hütter and Glasner started buildup out of a clear 3-4-x formation that transformed into a 4-4-2 Diamond in possession and goes back to a 3-4-x after losing the ball, Toppmöller took a slightly different approach with a 3-4-3 base formation that transforms into a 4-4-2 Flat or 4-2-3-1 formation in most phases of the game. Not just in offense but also in defence. In early buildup you can often see a standard 3-4-2-1 or 3-3-2-2 formation, depending on how Toppmöller expects the opponents to press. In a 3-4-2-1 buildup Larsson will drop deep beside Skhiri while Götze and Chaibi also drop deeper to form a 2-2 box in midfield. With Larsson staying at the #8 position and Götze dropping beside him Frankfurt still has the midfield box but this time higher up the pitch. Positions and roles of the midfield players are often interchangeable and you can often see Larsson changing sides with Skhiri and Götze changing sides and roles with Chaibi, depending on which side has the focus. Something that is impossible to recreate in Football Manager so I had to build the tactics using Toppmöllers principles as good as possible. Buta's job in offense isn't that of a traditional Wingback but more that of a traditional Winger in a 4-4-2 Flat or 4-2-3-1 formation. Instead of running with the ball he uses his great speed and acceleration to get receive through balls behind the opposing Wingbacks/Fullbacks and hit crosses in the box or taking shots from inside the box. He needs defensive cover of course and this is Tuta's job, who often follows Buta forward up into the final third to also provide a passing option in the back. Nkounkou (or Philipp Max) plays more like a fullback that arrives later in the final third and hits crosses after overlapping the half-left #10. This is also interchangeablewith what Buta is doing on the other side but I won't build a “8 players forward”-exploit tactics so I had to find another solution. He is backed up by Willian Pacho, a great BPD that is rarely pushing forward into the oppositions half except for when the team as a whole pushes up against very deep defending opponents. Cover against long balls is provided by Robin Koch and Ellyes Skhiri covers the defensive midfield while recycling possession from this deeper position. Last but not least we have Omar Marmoush as the spearhead in offense. From this explanation it should become pretty clear how Frankfurt transforms from a 3-4-3 or 3-4-1-2 into a 4-4-2 Flat or 4-2-3-1 in offense. Nkounkou and Tuta act as Fullbacks, Skhiri and Larsson are building the midfield duo while Buta is the right winger and Götze and Chaibi do job sharing as left winger, #10 and/or DLF. But Toppmöller isn't just using the 4-4-2 Flat in offense but in defence and transition phases to. After losing the ball you can have an initial 4 player press with Marmoush, Chaibi, Götze and Buta that is backed by another 4 player line of Nkounkou, Skhiri, Larsson and Tuta. After the ball got past first pressing line, the second line tries to slow the opponent down and give Buta plus the left Winger the chance to catch up and form 2 new 4 player lines. Once Buta and the left Winger got back Nkounkou and Tuta can drop back and form a back-4 with Pacho and Koch. Withe the option to transform into a 3-4-x or 3-1-4-2 formation if needed. Player roles: Back-3 Winger: Central Midfield Front-3 Team Instructions: FM 24 Toppmöller Ball v1.3.fmf

It sounds weird but try focus play through middle. The idea behind that is that you try to advance forward through the middle, which forces the opponents in the middle to press and leaves space on the wings. And try mixed crosses instead of low crosses.

Not necessarily. IWB and DM will take the half positions at the 6 and drift outside to cover depending on which side to opponent is trying to play over.

Formation wise it looks ok but i would change Baldanzi to support duty so he will drop deeper during buildup and tries to penetrate the defence from a deeper position. This will give Esposito more space to operate and when he advances during tansition into the final third leaves open space for Baldanzi, Bardghji and Veloso. But your TIs and PIs, oh boy. You want to distribute the ball long and quick to Veloso and then? Slowly work the ball into the box with short passes and trying to get some corners when you can't beat the defenders with dribblings. Bardghji is your only player with really above average dribbling skills that can regularely beat his opponent and everyone else will just lose the ball 8/10 times. Maybe they get a throw-in or a corner 2 out of the other 8 times but that's it. Remove "run at defence", especially if your overall playstyle is to replicate prime Barcelona under Guardiola. And remove "play for set pieces". That's a TI i wouldn't use outside of counter tactics when my team is superior in the air. You try to create chances with Tiki Taka and dragging defenders out of position or you play for set pieces. But not both. Play out of defense AND distribute with quick long passes to the playmaker. One or none but not everything at once. Looking at your overall style of play i would remove quick distribution, throw it long and distribute to playmaker. High pressing is NOT required in the current patch to deal with passive defending. It can work but it isn't required. I and many other people use a mid to low press to force the opponents out of their own half and then have more space to counter into. I'm not saying that lower pressing is better but it's a good and well working option to the "required" high press. The PIs? Everyone in your team is instructed to pass it short, take no risks while passing, dribble a lot and take less shots. In addition to your already very slow and low risk playstyle. Of course you can't penetrate your opponents defence like that. I could watch the entire LotR trilogy before one of your players is near the goal and dares to take a shot. The way to crack a passive defence is to force the defenders to become active. Pass the ball faster, make your players move around in spaces between the opponents so the defenders have to leave their positions and open spaces you can play into. You can try to replicate prime Barcelona but it won't work if you don't have a squad like prime Barcelona. And you don't. So don't try to force this rigid and very challenging playstyle on your players. Use less TIs and PIs and give your players more freedom.

Sadly not. I wasn't doing a test save with this tactics only but used the tactics in multiple savegames as first to third option. So i can't post league results with this tactics only. But i will rewrite one of my guides for the tactics and post it in the tactics sharing center soon. I'm just a bit busy with the holidays.

Results are good of course.