"Additional focus training cannot increase jumping any further""

[sdx15]

Is it just me or is it virtually impossible to improve a player's jumping reach with additional focus training this year? Most players, both young and old, usually get the "cannot increase jumping any further" comment from coaches, and when they can improve it, it's just a +1 before the same message appears for them, too.

Or is this connected to some other factors such as coaching quality, training facilities level or similar? I'm not sure if there's any point in trying to improve jumping reach. It seems I'm mostly wasting my additional focus on something futile.

[HUNT3R]

It would depend on their actual JR, age, potential, club facilities, rep and height.

[sdx15]

2 hours ago, HUNT3R said:

It would depend on their actual JR, age, potential, club facilities, rep and height.

Yeah, I know about the correlation between height and JR. I was signing players in the game when I was writing this so I forgot to add some examples out of excitement, sorry.

I've got a 197cm tall striker whose JR was 14 when I signed him at the age of 17 and it can't go up. When I first scouted him at 16 his JR was the same. That's very low for his height.

I've also got two young centre backs whose jumping reach is 12. One is 185cm tall and he was generated with JR at 12 and he improved it to 13 for a while, then it dropped back to 12 and now he cannot improve his JR anymore.

The other one is 182cm tall and his JR improved from 11 to 12 and that's it.

Looking at my whole squad, including B and U19teams, I think I have a single player with +2 in JR so that's why I'm not sure if it makes sense to train strength as additional focus.

[HUNT3R]

7 hours ago, sdx15 said:

I've got a 197cm tall striker whose JR was 14 when I signed him at the age of 17 and it can't go up. When I first scouted him at 16 his JR was the same. That's very low for his height.

That is low and lower than I would expect it to be. I assume that he generated with x amount of CA and that's what initially limited his JR, but that's a guess.

 

For is height, he could get to 20, in theory. I'm sure you know, but just in case, it's easier to improve an attribute from 6 to 7 than from 16 to 17, as an example. It 'costs' CA too, so unless he has the potential, it might not be possible to improve more. If he does have the potential, I'd be surprised if he stays at 14 JR. It might still be early days. If this kid was 20/21, I wouldn't have as much hope, but if he is only 17, there's still time.

7 hours ago, sdx15 said:

I've also got two young centre backs whose jumping reach is 12. One is 185cm tall and he was generated with JR at 12 and he improved it to 13 for a while, then it dropped back to 12 and now he cannot improve his JR anymore.

That's average for the height, so I would imagine there's a little room for improvement, again depending on PA etc. Out of interest, do you do any Strength training as an additional focus? I've had a fair amount of success with that. It focuses on Strength and JR.

7 hours ago, sdx15 said:

Looking at my whole squad, including B and U19teams, I think I have a single player with +2 in JR so that's why I'm not sure if it makes sense to train strength as additional focus.

As mentioned above, I've had a fair amount of success using Strength additional focus training in the past. I'm not in front of the game, so I can't give you solid examples, but it's worked for me. Because of the height JR correlation, don't expect miracles, but if you have a player on the lower end, you should be improve the JR by 1 to 4 points.

That 197cm youngster especially would surprise me if he hasn't improved at all by the time he's 21/22, provided he has the potential so that he can improve his CA.