How do you change the structure of the UEFA club competitions?

[WalkerTM]

Hi everyone, I'd like to edit the UEFA club competitions to have less teams, but I don't even know where to start. I'd like to create a Champions League and Europa League with 24 teams and a Conference League of 16 teams (only domestic cup winners)

I tried opening the editor but I got lost, literally don't know what to do. I searched for some video tutorials online, but all I could find was how to change subs and small things, nothing with huge changes. Is there a guide explaining what-does-what?

For instance, this is the new structure I'd like to use for the three european competitions. Champions League is probably the easiest to edit since the Champions Path remains the same as irl, the League Path has less teams and leagues need to be edited for the qualified teams. But as said, don't know where to start

UCL

 

UEL

 

UECL

[rusty217]

You'd probably be better off heading over to the downloads forum and seeing if there's anything there that takes your fancy. https://community.sigames.com/forums/forum/855-editors-hideaway-download-forum-fm22/

Continental competitions are the hardest thing to edit. Technically you can't really edit them, you'd be recreating them from scratch. What you want should be possible, but it would be a LOT of work.

[WalkerTM]

16 ore fa, rusty217 ha scritto:

You'd probably be better off heading over to the downloads forum and seeing if there's anything there that takes your fancy. https://community.sigames.com/forums/forum/855-editors-hideaway-download-forum-fm22/

Continental competitions are the hardest thing to edit. Technically you can't really edit them, you'd be recreating them from scratch. What you want should be possible, but it would be a LOT of work.

I'm reading, exploring and messing around with some downloaded editor files and I'm getting the gist of it, I'm understanding what does what and how to do certain things.

I now get what you mean by "recreating them from scratch". Surely it will be a lot of work. I was hoping I could add the whole competition in the advanced rules and work from there, but it is what it is. I'll test on FM22 and then try to do everything on FM23.

Only one question: when adding nations for the "qualification system" does the order with which I add them matters? Or the game can sort them by ranking regardless of the order?

Edited November 5, 2022 by WalkerTM

[rusty217]

6 hours ago, WalkerTM said:

I'm reading, exploring and messing around with some downloaded editor files and I'm getting the gist of it, I'm understanding what does what and how to do certain things.

I now get what you mean by "recreating them from scratch". Surely it will be a lot of work. I was hoping I could add the whole competition in the advanced rules and work from there, but it is what it is. I'll test on FM22 and then try to do everything on FM23.

Only one question: when adding nations for the "qualification system" does the order with which I add them matters? Or the game can sort them by ranking regardless of the order?

The order they're on the Nations page should be their initial ranking. So on the Teams page if you set nations 1-4 to have 3 teams for example, then that would apply to whichever nations are set as numbers 1-4 on the Nations page. There are options to add coefficients and stuff so the rankings can change, although as far as I'm aware coefficients and ranking changes aren't actually displayed in game for edited continental competitions, even though they do happen.

[WalkerTM]

8 ore fa, rusty217 ha scritto:

The order they're on the Nations page should be their initial ranking. So on the Teams page if you set nations 1-4 to have 3 teams for example, then that would apply to whichever nations are set as numbers 1-4 on the Nations page. There are options to add coefficients and stuff so the rankings can change, although as far as I'm aware coefficients and ranking changes aren't actually displayed in game for edited continental competitions, even though they do happen.

Oh ok, so if for example I added them in reverse reputation order (so with San Marino being the first in the list and Germany being the last) when adding seedings in teams page nation 1 would actually be San Marino. Good to know, thanks, I have to manually add them then

[WalkerTM]

Ok since FM2023 came out I switched to the 2023 Editor. I tried editing the Champions League but when verifying rules I get this

Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? The number of teams from rankings is correct, should be 67. But I don't know where it gets 88 teams from the competition. I double checked every round and stage and everything is correct, so I don't know where it pulls 88 teams

I attached the editor data file if anyone wants to take a look and tell me what's wrong and if everything else is correct

 

 

League & Data Updates.fmf

Edited November 8, 2022 by WalkerTM

[WalkerTM]

Small update. I figured a workaround for that error, in UEFA Champions League/Ranking Rules/Ranking rules info I edited the last row increasing the teams from 2 to 23 which brings the total to exactly 88.

I also added disciplinary and fixture rules to the continental rules, and made inactive the Youth League since it kept saying me it couldn't create stage 0 for the UEFA Youth League (although I'd like to add the competition too, just need to figure out what do I need to do).

I verified the rules and for the first time I had no errors, so I tested them ingame (I also set start year 2021 so I didn't have to sim to 2024/25) and everything seem to work flawessly and correctly, and that edit to the ranking rules info don't seem to affect the competition. I checked every round and everything seems correct, I'm going to simulate until the end of the season to make sure everything is correct. Huge milestone for me.

The only weird thing I noticed is the UEFA nation coefficient, for some reason they're mixed up despite them being in the correct order in the editor. Perhaps it may have something to do with the fact I only edited the Champions League? I'm gonna add and edit the other competitions too.

Still some work to do on the UCL, I need to add some offset dates and some alternative dates for the World Cup and I need to add a host nation pool for the final. I'd also like to calculate the complete prize pool from the actual champions league and my edited UCL since the round of 16 is no longer a thing and those are good money and I'd like to redistribute them among the teams in the earlier stages. We're talking about 75 millions of € as appearance money for the 16 teams qualified for the R16

[Wolf_pd]

6 hours ago, WalkerTM said:

Small update. I figured a workaround for that error, in UEFA Champions League/Ranking Rules/Ranking rules info I edited the last row increasing the teams from 2 to 23 which brings the total to exactly 88.

I also added disciplinary and fixture rules to the continental rules, and made inactive the Youth League since it kept saying me it couldn't create stage 0 for the UEFA Youth League (although I'd like to add the competition too, just need to figure out what do I need to do).

I verified the rules and for the first time I had no errors, so I tested them ingame (I also set start year 2021 so I didn't have to sim to 2024/25) and everything seem to work flawessly and correctly, and that edit to the ranking rules info don't seem to affect the competition. I checked every round and everything seems correct, I'm going to simulate until the end of the season to make sure everything is correct. Huge milestone for me.

The only weird thing I noticed is the UEFA nation coefficient, for some reason they're mixed up despite them being in the correct order in the editor. Perhaps it may have something to do with the fact I only edited the Champions League? I'm gonna add and edit the other competitions too.

Still some work to do on the UCL, I need to add some offset dates and some alternative dates for the World Cup and I need to add a host nation pool for the final. I'd also like to calculate the complete prize pool from the actual champions league and my edited UCL since the round of 16 is no longer a thing and those are good money and I'd like to redistribute them among the teams in the earlier stages. We're talking about 75 millions of € as appearance money for the 16 teams qualified for the R16

Is the 23 a max number by any chance?

[WalkerTM]

2 ore fa, Wolf_pd ha scritto:

Is the 23 a max number by any chance?

Is the number of teams that finishes at that ranking level in the ranking level info. But it's a "fake" number because the actual number would be 2 (4 teams take part in the first preliminary round and 2 get eliminated). But if I put 2 then when testing the rules I get the error that the number of teams in comp doesn't match the number of teams in ranking.

 

Anyway I kept working on the edit file. I added the offset dates and the alternative dates for the World Cup. Good thing I decided to sim through the season as I noticed that the competition stops at the end of the group stage. There should be the draw for the quarter finals and then the knockout stage but nothing happens. I got past the date for the draw and nothing happened. I checked and everything seem correct in the editor, dates appear in game too and in the rules page of the competition in game it actually shows the structure of the tournament. The editor verifies the file without issues

I also added the UEFA Europa League simply duplicating the UCL and editing and deleting what I needed to edit and delete. But it doesn't work in game. The file is verified in the editor but in game the UEL is actually a single match with 2 teams in August. Really don't know what happened. Now I'm getting this error despite both of them being set to start in 2021. I'll leave the latest file here, if you want to give a look at it. I'm getting frustrated

 

New UEFA Competions UEL TEST.fmf

[WalkerTM]

I'm back again. I used the frozen in time editor file from irish kopite to look further into how comps work. I edited something, perhaps figured why there were wrong teams and it didn't progress further than Group Stage, but now the editor is crashing when I'm testing the rules.

 

I noticed that in the knockout stage I didn't set the teams, so I went into stage and then teams and set "get qualified teams from stage" and selected 2, as it is my ID for the group stage. When I test the rules the editor crashes, if I remove that rule the editor just tells me that it can't find enough teams for the stage to be created. I really don't know what to do at this point. Can someone please look into the file and help me?

I disabled the Europa League and the Conference League for testing purposes, I want to get the UCL working before enabling other competitions

 

 

New UCL test.fmf