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Hi guys,

I have developed a tactic which enables me to score lots of goals (my striker has an average of more than 1 goal per match), but unfortunately my opponents score loads of goals as well. I have been trying to figure out why and tried to tweak my formation, but without any success.

I'm using the following tactics:

GK - Goalkeeper - Defend

DR - Wing Back - Support

DC - Central defender - Defend

DC - Central defender - Defend

DL - Wing Back - Support

MC - Advanced playmaker - Support

MC - Ball winning midfielder - Defend

AMR - Winger - Support

AMC - Trequartista - Attack

AML - Winger - Support

ST - Target man - Attack

Mentality - Attacking

Fluidity - Balanced

Team instructions:

Retain Possession

Clear Ball To Flanks

Exploit The Flanks

Float Crosses

Look For Overlap

Play Wider

Hassle Opponents

Higher Tempo

Pass Into Space

At first I thought that it's because the mentality is set to Attacking. I have tried a less attacking option, but all that does is let me score less goals, while my opponents are still scoring roughly the same amount.

Could the tactical gurus on these forums be of any help? I would appreciate it!

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I'm in no way a tactical guru so I can't promise what I say will help but it's worth a try.

First up, you have a few specialist roles (it's worth reading the stickied posts at the top of the tactics forum - especially Llama & WWFan's) so you might want to go for a more rigid system.

It's also worth noting you have very little defensive cover. An Advanced Playmaker will obviously advance and leave gaps in the midfield, the Ball Winning Midfielder, even on defend, will look to close down opponents and can easily get caught up field, this can be a huge problem especially as you have your full backs set as wing-backs. It might make more sense to swtich to something like Centre Midfield - Defend and Deep-Lying Playmaker - Support who will sit a bit deeper and offer more protection to the back four. As for the full backs, you can always set them as full backs and use player instructions such as Run Wide With Ball, Cross More Often & Get Forward More Often to make sure they join in when you're attacking.

From what I've read on here it could be an idea to reduce your mentality from attacking to control, some might even argue that you could even drop it down to counter. Having it set to attack means your team should already be playing with a higher tempo so that instruction really isn't required. It also forces players into mistakes as they're trying to do things in a rush, which is kind of at odds with retain possession. The same can be said of passing into space, if this is rushed it can lead to poor decisions being made and your team will lose the ball.

Finally, playing wider and hassling the opposition can work well, but this can obviously leave your side open through the middle and liable to leave gaps where your players have gone to press, especially against stronger teams. I'd maybe consider these instructions on a game by game basis.

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Saware's advice is pretty good.

Just to emphasise here is what I noted...

  • Out wide you have a very poor combination - no movement, no overlapping, no real supply and linking relationship. Just 2 players, getting in each others way. Wing Backs and Wingers are a poor combination. Either needs to change, preferably with a better duty allocation to encourage more movement. Generally Attack-Support on 1 flank, and vice versa on the other.
  • A lone TM gets too isolated. He is not going to chase through balls or work the channels to help a Trequartista. The TM should change, unless the Trequartista changes into a strike partner and a more appropriate role.
  • Your central midfield pairing in a 4-2-3-1 must be defensive. A BWM in the right pair can work, but if you use a BWM the partner must be a rock solid defensive player - an AP(S) is probably the worst pairing possible.
  • Far too many instructions, you overkill some areas, and contradict others - clear ball to flanks and higher tempo but retain possession? Stick with 4 basic instructions, essential to how your team plays, and add and remove others as demanded by the situation.
  • Read wwfan's guide, then mine, stickied at the top of the page.

Hope it helps

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No worries. I was going to mention the variety between the wide men and the strike partnership issue but I figured I'd gone on for long enough! The stickies really are worth reading and have a lot of the info you need to create a decent tactic going forward. I think it's always a good idea to have a think about what kind of football you want your team to play first though. Do you want a team who play a quick counter-attack style game, or would you prefer a slower, patient build-up based around keeping possession? That helps when deciding mentality, fluidity and your team instructions.

Good luck and keep us updated!

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