matty1294 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 The Tactic Basically it's a 4-5-1/4-3-3/4-1-2-2-1 that plays very attractive, beautiful football with lots of movement; hence the quote by Mr Brian Clough as the title. To be honest, the tactic is yet to be fully tested but from the first ten matches or so, it looks pretty decent. Hopefully you guys will help by testing a bit more and giving feedback on what you think The defence are there to defend mainly with little creative freedom, whilst the other outfield players have full creative freedom to try to create something. All players are set to rarely run with the ball (except wingers) + rarely for long shots; basically this is to encourage the players to play through balls often and just pass + move. It creates many CCC's which is why you need a good striker to finish the moves off, unfortunatley this is what I was lacking in this match v Middlesborough: ___________________________ What players/attributes work well? Well, WBA don't have the best players ever compared to some in the PremierLeague. But there are some attributes the players probably need mostly: All players-Passing All defenders: Tackling, Pace, Anticipation, Concentration, Marking, Heading, Positioning-Pace is needed mostly due to playing a high D-line and some sides may get in behind DM: Heading, Tackling, Passing, Composure MCr: Off the ball, Passing, Flair, Work-rate, Anticipation MCl: Off the ball, creativity, high passing (above 15/16), first-touch, composure, decisions, finishing Wingers: Crossing, Dribbling, Creativity/Flair, Decisions Striker: Pace/Acceleration, composure, finishing, off the ball (basically needs to finish off the flowing moves; I'm lacking this slightly with the strikers at my disposal) __________________________ There are two tactics included, the home + away; there's not much difference between them both except the mentality and tempo. HOME AWAY ___________________________ Please note that this tactic will/may take at least 4-5 matches to start to tick and play. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyw_85 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Nicely done Matty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammer1000 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Well done mate! Finally a tactic that has been made for weaker sides, instead of Barca, R Madrid, Man Utd, Chelsea etc. On that basis i will give it a go the very next time my tactics inevitably fail. Breath of fresh air mate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Cheers guys Yeah I've tried it with West Brom (if I had a decent striker I'd be top of league), and Reading currently won 5 out of 5 so far. Creates at least 4 CCC's every match. Good luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerneo Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Used this the last few games as a struggling side in CCL2, so far it seems ok good, getting chances just don't have the quality to do anything with them, the play on the field looks great though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipflashly Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Credit where it's due please-I believe the quote should be attributed to Mr BRIAN Clough (Nigel's father and the greatest manager that England never had) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Yeah it creates a fair few good chances, sometimes I just think its the game and not the tactics fault that they miss about 5 one on ones... Thanks Zipflashly my mistake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Anyone else tried? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Backchat Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 been using razors but i'll have ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Okay cheers pal. I'd suggest it takes 2-3 matches before it starts to play properly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boingboing Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 just started a Man City game cause i was bored. Signed loads of players though. Will update you after 10 league games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darn Owens Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 i might go Man City aswell boingboing i just read you were Man City and it put me in the mood lol i shall also update after 10 games and use your tactic matty but what about the tactics bars things, any of those slide up or down ?? And the pitch size ? what you recommend i pick ? Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 I recommend you pick a wide pitch, also if your against quick strikers you may need to deepen the d-line slightly. Good luck guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phenomx3 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 I use my own tactic with the same layout as you matty except I have a farrow on my other MC and not the DMC. Will give this a good run out and let you know how it plays! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Okay mate yeah give it a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darn Owens Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 1st game away to Chelsea , ft result : Chelsea 4-1 Man City - Got absaloutely dominated and out played. Blackburn at home next then West Brom away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 As I said give it a few more games... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horst Nordfink Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I've just took over Lincoln who are 22nd in League 2, but have a relatively strong squad for such a poor placing. Decided to start my tenure at Sincil Bank with your tactic, as I fancied this team wasn't as bad as the league standing suggests. My first outing was at home to mid-table Barnet in the league which resulted in a 2-0 win. Scrappy performace from both teams and both my goals were scored i injury time. Home to third placed Notts County was a 1-3 drubbing, which was much more of a hiding than the score suggests. I wasn't too downhearted by that result though, as they've only just been relagated from League 1 and will probably walk this league. Next game was the semi-final of the Johnstons Paint Cup at home to League 1 Norwich. I decided to play the away formation and bring the defesive line back as my defenders are carthorses. A very tight game ended up losing to a 30-yard screamer. No complaints again. My first away game was to struggling Rushden & Diamonds who were on the end of a 5 game losing streak. Til they played Lincoln. A 4-1 hammering was probably a flattering result for Lincoln as it could, and probably should have been in double figures; as Rushden had 3 goals disallowed for off-sides and missed one penalty. Everyone has off days though, no? Home to top of the table Oxford for The Imps. Fearing the worst, I decided to go play the home formation as downloaded and see how it went. An exceptionally scrappy game ended with Lincoln defending with 11 men behind the ball after scoring from a first half corner and my keeper as man of the match. My last game in charge of Lincoln was a 4-0 hammering by bottom of the table Darlington, with all goals coming before 35 minutes. Defence was all over the place and my striker was anonymous throughout, with not one shot on goal. Despite the tactic not working for me at Lincoln so far, I will try it again with a better team as the donkeys of Sincil Bank just resorted to punting the ball up field to the oppositions keeper at every opportunity. I hope it works better for others. Good work though Matty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Thanks for such descriptive feedback. Where were the opposition goals coming from mainly would you say? With me I continued to use the tactic with West Brom, but was conceding to mainly crosses, so I pushed the two wingers back and set the away mentality a bit lower. You say your defenders were hoofing it forward? That could just be down to the players stats etc passing, decisions? Because my West Brom side to tend to start the passing from the back, which is basically how I like to play my football... Away from home, I've now lowered the mentality to 11, seems to be working better. Aswell as giving a free-role to the striker. You could do this, its been playing better for me so far... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facundo Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 This is one of the best systems that I have tried, it only needs a little change defensively. I win some important games and lose others, but at least I can enjoy the way that my team plays. I'll post something else later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Thanks Facundo I certainly enjoy the play aswell. I agree defensively needs a little changing/tweaking; hopefully you and others can help doing so... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 This is v2; it has a new defensive set-up, can be used for home + away, free-role added to striker aswell: Pass+move football v2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_swanspurs Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Trying version 2 with my Spurs save, so far so good, P6 W5 D1. I'll stick with it for the season, cheers matty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 Cheers mate. Glad to hear its working well. Are you playing well in these games aswell? Like pass + moving? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darn Owens Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 As I said give it a few more games... beat Blackburn at Home 5-1 2nd game :D will tell you how i get on after 8 more league games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 Haha okay, cheers mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_swanspurs Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Cheers mate. Glad to hear its working well. Are you playing well in these games aswell? Like pass + moving? Yep, nice passing football. The only problem i'm getting is the other team sliding through balls in between my 2 CB's, so I think i'll have to tweak the D-line. Tried it with my reserves in the milk cup and I got a good roasting from Sunderland 4-0 , so this tactic may only work with good passers. Or maybe adjust the passing SLIDER for the weaker passers. Still going strong in the league though, P22 W15 D4 L3 (unbeaten at home) Once a team gels and gets to know the tactic its awesome, its all about giving it time and making a few tweaks for certain players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 Yep, nice passing football. The only problem i'm getting is the other team sliding through balls in between my 2 CB's, so I think i'll have to tweak the D-line.Tried it with my reserves in the milk cup and I got a good roasting from Sunderland 4-0 , so this tactic may only work with good passers. Or maybe adjust the passing SLIDER for the weaker passers. Still going strong in the league though, P22 W15 D4 L3 (unbeaten at home) Once a team gels and gets to know the tactic its awesome, its all about giving it time and making a few tweaks for certain players. Yeah I agree, if you try to bring in the right players for the tactic then after a few games + the players are used to it, it starts to work fab. Although work still needs to be done defensively I think. Just testing a v3 at the moment... Glad its playing the good passing football though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teemu Tainio Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Having a go with my Reading side on a new game, I'll try and keep you updated mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakepynt Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 the second version, do you got a away version and a home version for that too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty1294 Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 No I put it all in one. However I do sometimes alter the team mentality when against much weaker sides eg. Arsenal v Stoke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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