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Hi,
I've started a new save after a long pause and I'm running a 4231 (screenshots down below with my 2 tactics and the results)
I'm doing good defensively but I'm really struggling to be dangerous and I'm not scoring enough. That last result against Clermont is not representative since I didn't even get 1 xG...
What would you do to improve this ?
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I know it has already been said, but there's really too many high scoring games...
I feel there's too many highlights from throw-ins and GKs aren't efficient enough. It's too easy to score, even with a balanced tactic.
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On 17/09/2023 at 08:02, Rashidi said:
Midfielders
Halfback ( From DM to CD) Even an offset HB will cause the two central defenders to go wider.
Segundo Volante (From DM to AM)
Roaming Playmaker (From DM, CM, AM)
Box to Box Midfielder (From CM to AM)
Central Midfielder Attack (From CM to AM)
Advanced Playmaker (From CM to AM)
Mezzala (From CM to AM)The Regista is not in that list?
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After our dreadful performance against Lorient today IRL (4-1 defeat....), I decided to avenge myself against Monaco to win 4-1 as well, using the first tactic that I posted with a few tweaks.
I thought it was a nice pass map since we can clearly see the 4231 morphing in possession. It's just a shame we can't make the AMC only drift to the right to form a real box midfield, unless messing with the defensive formation.
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8 hours ago, gunnerfan said:
The double pivot in FM23 works better in the DM strata than the CM, based on changes that were made to the match engine, and it's the default setup in the 4-2-3-1. I'm in the 8th season of my journeyman save, and I pair a BWM/D with a Regista, a VOL, or an RPM, depending on the skills of the player I'm using and the tactical situation. I've had a lot of success with it.
I'm curious, what is your set up with the BWM on defend and the Regista?
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On 18/08/2023 at 17:37, sonnevillejr said:
Another replication here with the team I support : LOSC
Of course it's really hard to replicate with 100% accuracy, especially with Paulo Fonseca and his fluid systems but I try my best.
We know Paulo Fonseca likes to attack in 5221 (like most of managers nowadays), but he starts with a 4231 formation.
The FB on support is usually a more defensive player to form some kind of a back three early in the build up but can go up to support the midfield (just like Ben White I believe). When we have to go more attacking, the FB can turn into a IWB on support
The width on this side is kept by the right winger who stays high and wide and can destabilize a defense with his dribble and technique (tipically Adam Ounas or Edon Zhegrova).
On the left hand-side, the width is kept by the left back, high and wide as well (Ismaily IRL and even Timothy Weah last year when Ismaily was not available).
The IW will then drift narrower and behave almost as an second attacking midfielder. Our new signing Hakon Haraldsson is the perfect exemple.
The AM can drift wide to the right since there's space between him and the winger. We could put him directly in the half space but I wanted to keep things simple and he will do that anyway even without PI.
The double pivot is a DM with BWM attributes (Benjamin André or our new signing Ignacio Miramon) because the player next to him won't run as much since it's a Regista, but I kept a DM to better cover the left hand-side.
I chose the Regista because it's exactly how Angel Gomes is used and he's been fantastic (even better than when he played as an AMC). When Carlos Baleba plays (huge talent linked to Brighton and Liverpool) he's more like a segundo volante or maybe a RPM)
Finally, for the striker role, I chose a CF on attack (Jonathan David) because he's our main goal threat and since we operate in a high block and seek possession, he doesn't seek to break the defensive line all the time.
Our new signing Tiago Santos has been amazing for his first games, and Paulo Fonseca even said we could change the way we play because of him since he's more of an attacking player...
Last sunday, we played against Nantes (2-0 win) and we played with 2 attacking wing-backs since Bafode Diakite played as a CB. Therefore, we played differently.At times (especially during the first half), our formation looked like this in possession :
Tiago Santos made inside runs and was higher than Edon Zhegrova.
So I tried to replicate this in the game (I didn't tested it yet) :
Of course, I just tried to replicate a certain phase of play that we could see but as usual it was pretty fluid so it's not really possible to replicate in FM.
Note that I chose the advanced forward role for Jonathan David since he didn't participate much in the build up (only 17 touches).
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4 hours ago, TheMartello said:
Did you use any player instructions?
No, I like to keep things simple so I never use any PI, I trust the roles to do what I want
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17 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:
That's great @sonnevillejr!! That looks pretty balanced all round to me, have you tried it out in game?
Yes I’m trying it right now 👍
With Lille first season and no transfers, I tested it and got some nice results.
After some games I felt I needed a secondary threat beside the CF so I just replaced the IW for a IF on support and it worked well : 5-0 victory against Nice at home (a similar team) and a 2-1 victory away in Marseille after dominating all the game (the goal I conceded was a (very) litigious penalty).
I’ll continue the season and see how it goes
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Another replication here with the team I support : LOSC
Of course it's really hard to replicate with 100% accuracy, especially with Paulo Fonseca and his fluid systems but I try my best.
We know Paulo Fonseca likes to attack in 5221 (like most of managers nowadays), but he starts with a 4231 formation.
The FB on support is usually a more defensive player to form some kind of a back three early in the build up but can go up to support the midfield (just like Ben White I believe). When we have to go more attacking, the FB can turn into a IWB on support
The width on this side is kept by the right winger who stays high and wide and can destabilize a defense with his dribble and technique (tipically Adam Ounas or Edon Zhegrova).
On the left hand-side, the width is kept by the left back, high and wide as well (Ismaily IRL and even Timothy Weah last year when Ismaily was not available).
The IW will then drift narrower and behave almost as an second attacking midfielder. Our new signing Hakon Haraldsson is the perfect exemple.
The AM can drift wide to the right since there's space between him and the winger. We could put him directly in the half space but I wanted to keep things simple and he will do that anyway even without PI.
The double pivot is a DM with BWM attributes (Benjamin André or our new signing Ignacio Miramon) because the player next to him won't run as much since it's a Regista, but I kept a DM to better cover the left hand-side.
I chose the Regista because it's exactly how Angel Gomes is used and he's been fantastic (even better than when he played as an AMC). When Carlos Baleba plays (huge talent linked to Brighton and Liverpool) he's more like a segundo volante or maybe a RPM)
Finally, for the striker role, I chose a CF on attack (Jonathan David) because he's our main goal threat and since we operate in a high block and seek possession, he doesn't seek to break the defensive line all the time.
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7 minutes ago, poma said:
I'll add/try:
- Stay wider, run wide with ball for the shadow striker.
and overlap right in possession. (Constant interchange down the right side from Sterling and James)
and change Jackson's role to advanced forward. (Works really well with a shadow striker behind)
Cheers
The reason why I didn’t go for an advanced forward is because of his average position and heat map. But I agree he did make some forward runs but a CF also does that
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Love this kind of thread.
I think Pochettino's Chelsea looked like this during the Liverpool game :
Not really sure about the CF and SS (Jackson and Sterling) though.
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Good job!
I noticed in this thread and in the 433 one that you pay more attention to the PI related to a role than the duty.
For exemple, you seem to consider an inside forward on support as an attack duty player due to the « get further forward » instruction, same thing with the DLP on support with the « hold position » instruction.Personally, I pay more attention to the duty so even if I have an inside forward on support, I’ll have an attack duty player on the other side.
Regarding the DLP on support, I didn’t play with this role this year but even with his instruction, I don’t see him as a defensive player so I would always pair him with a DM or a BWM, with the most attacking wing back opposite to the DLP.
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24 minutes ago, vrig said:
Well you've got 3 centre backs who all have the beating of all but like 3 Serie A strikers in the air, so I'm not sure why you've got 'Stop Crosses' on?
You could potentially be more defensively secure with Matic on a defend duty, especially since he's not gonna be quick enough to get back into position when you lose the ball if he's moving up. Could be worth a try.
I use "stop crosses" because, since I play with 5 at the back and no wingers, I want my players to defend wider to help the wing-backs and not give up the flanks entirely.
About my DM, I use a support duty because I already have 3 defend duties behind and also it helps building from the back. If I play him with a defend duty, he will not participate and the build-up and we will have trouble to play out of defense.
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Hey guys,
Do you know what change could I make to improve the defensive record with this tactic?
As you can see, we conceded 30 goals and we are only the 8th defense in the league.
Rui Patricio wanted to leave the club in january so I bought a sweeper keeper to be able to build from the back. Mancini is the player I chose to be the Ball Playing Defender because he has safe passing options with Dybala as a support duty up front and all the attacking duties on the other side.
I think the tactic would make much more sense if Pellegrini played as a APs and Dybala as the SS because of their attributes but also because in the current tactic, the right wing-back is the most attacking wing back whereas all my left wing-backs are less defensively gifted, but Dybala has the "comes deep to get the ball trait".
I placed my best XI for the screenshot but we got a lot of injuries, with Zalewski injured for 3 months and Spinazzola injured a lot as well so El Shaarawy had to play there.
Obviously all of this didn't help for the defensive record but I was wondering if you could spot any issues with my tactic?
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Is a Pressing Forward on attack a main goalscorer (just like an AF) since the finishing attribute is not highlighted as "key"? Would you pair him a SS in a 5221?
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I'm using a 4231 DM at the moment, with one IW on support, one W on attack, and a CFsu/SS combination, and my CFsu is by far the top scorer of my team (+30) while my SS scored less than 10 I think.
But I think it can be explained by the fact that :
1. My CFsu is the best player of my team
2. I rotate my SS way more than my CF
3. I guess a CFsu is more likely to be in the box to finish than a DLFsu on support who prefers to let others players enter the box before him (it's in the description).
I don't think a Target Man, even on support, drop as much as a DLF, and since he does not move into channels, I suppose he will score more frequently
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I tried a DMde/Volante combination, here are the results :
With this role combination, we could expect to see the DMde sitting in front of the defense while the segundo volante pushed forward. But again, the support duty is always the deepest player, Baleba here is the DMde and look how far he is. Is this a bug or something?
FYI, these 2 situations are different actions, we are not in counter-attack situations, and the player has no trait.
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1 hour ago, yorkie87 said:
This is getting embarrassing now, i'm trying everything...
Atttacking mentality + higher tempo + 3 players up front trying to score will lead to this
Try to play with a positive mentality and/or reduce the tempo, with Saka as a IWsu instead of IFsu
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On 29/05/2023 at 14:13, joebailey141 said:
I wanted to build a tactic around a wide playmaker and I like to defend in a 442 shape, so I set up the below tactic.
The idea is for the play to go through the wide playmaker and for him to be the key man in the team. I have Alex Scott in this role, the perfect man for the job. I want him to tuck inside in front of the CMD and behind the advance forward who creates space for him. When on the ball, I want him to drive inside and play though balls to the winger, the advance forward or the overlapping wing back.
However......this hardly ever happens. He does not come in narrow enough no matter what I do, the team can't get the ball to him enough and he is just not involved and not creative. I have tried him as in IW, AP attack and a wide midfielder. Nothing works. I'm desperate for this to work and am committed to the 442 shape.
Any ideas? Anybody has success with a wide playmaker?
Maybe you could try to swap the strikers? I think that in this edition, CMs on defend duty will drop even deeper when there’s no DM. This + the fact that your striker in front of him is an advanced forward, there will be a huge gap (even when defending). The swapping may create an overload to the left side (WP+DLF+WB) to release the right side (AF and IW)
Or you could also try to swap the CMs instead of the strikers, and see what happens with the WP and the CMsu. You could play with a BWMsu instead, if you are afraid that your CMsu will be too close to your WP. If you do this, I would change use a WBsu on both side
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On 22/05/2023 at 11:35, XaW said:
Scouting reports will give you scouts take on it:
Hey guys, I don't know why but I don't receive this report anymore so I never know what formation/roles/style of play my opponent will use
When I go to the data hub and "next opponent", I can only see this screen :
Is there a way to fix this problem? In my previous save, I remember seeing the report but it has stopped for no reason as well, I thought it was a bug but in this new save I just never received the report
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4 minutes ago, ObeLisk said:
I mean, not what they mean. Why are there two different instructions that do the same function?
Aren't the lowest tier of the left instruction and the "drop deeper" instruction on the right exactly the same? If so, why are there two of the same instruction?
The names of the instructions have been change since, now it's "drop off more" and "step up more", if you play a standard DL with "drop off more", your defenders will position themselves accordingly to your DL instruction (standard). If the opposite ball carrier is free to progress the ball, your defenders will be more likely to anticipate a long ball so they will retreat, with the risk of leaving too much space in front of them. If you choose "step up more", they will be more likely to step up and limit the space in front of them
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You can set your DL to higher, in this way your DL will be closer to your midfielders in order to have a compact block.
With the "drop off more" instruction, your CDs will be more inclined to manage the space behind them. That's useful if you want to play a mid block with a higher DL (compact block) but are still worried about the pace of a striker for example
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18 minutes ago, Cloud9 said:
Players moving into the same area of the pitch isn't negative. You can have a problem with too many players trying to move into the same channel, but that's not an issue with a MEZ(s) and a CF(s) who will float around. I'd even think about putting that MEZ on Attack duty (tons of space on the right hand side to attack).
Some suggestions @Spartak Trigger to consider:
- If you've built a squad of playmakers (ie the midfield 4 have that profile) they all have the attributes of playmakers (and traits) even if they're in more workman like positions. This will cause problems.
- AF/SS isn't a great role combination, especially on a high line system.
- Not crazy about the attacking mentality.
- Perfect set up for a Halfback instead of the DLP.
Yes, the MEZ could be on attack duty, at least he'll attack the space while the CF drops, but IMO a MEZsu and CFsu on the same side is too much
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Help me to score more goals
in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
Posted · Edited by sonnevillejr
Yes I agree that my unbeaten run is great, Lille are a good team in Ligue 1 (predicted to be 5th at the start of the season), but the thing is, most of my wins are lucky, even against smaller teams... I hardly shoot 10 times in a game.
To give you an example, in my last game against Clermont, I scored 4 goals : 2 following corner kicks, 1 long shot, and 1 following an individual feat. I even got dominated almost all of the second half, that's why I'm thinking my tactic is not that great at the moment despite the (lucky) results