JimmysTheBestCop

Technically you can just use sunshine/moonlight to stream the second FM to your primary computer with display

If you could add more then 50 players to a scouting report it eoukd improve things then you wouldn't even need scouting focuses. It is really inefficient and ineffective compared to manually doing it. Manual however requires a billion clicks and more time. The weird thing is if you manage a national team you can tell the scouts to scout everyone and aren't limited by the 50 player. Hopefully this is redone in Unity and we won't be limited.

Friendlies don't develop players

Download the test league and answer your questions

It is honestly why of all the FM communities bi frequentntge official forum is the place I visit the least. I find the other communities a lot more friendly and able to have open discussions. If you post anything about mrchsnics or tests or simulations or videos it is meant with instant passive aggressive hostility. Many just want to rush dismiss and defend fm when in reality no one is attacking fm or si. It is a discussion of most effective and efficient mechanics. Can you imagine on an rpg game forum people saying no we need Owl Cat or Larian to tell us the best build or what the best 2 handed weapon is. That's what the community is for. Just because the holy avenger is the long sword and other long swords arwess optimal doesn't make it a bad or broken mechanic or a bad or broken game. I find the attitude and atmosphere very strange on this forum and nithing like any other FM community. Very weird place

I never said anything about trying to make the game better. That wasnt on my objective list for posting. We should strive to fully understand all mechanics. What works and what doesnt. What is optimal and what is inefficient. We dont need Si for any of that. I think when a lot of forum dwellers here see people posting tests and results they get defensive or think someone is trying to say the game is broke. I know I didnt say it was broke. Regardless if morale is the most impactful or least impactful mechanic is has nothing to do with a "broken mechanic". Obviously every mechanic will have a different impact level. We should be trying to uncover the what impact mechanics have and then what is the optimal way to do the thing. Personally to me morale isnt impactful on my saves or the way I play the game. Obviously that isnt going to be the case for 100% of the users 100% of the time. Again the only place who ever did any kind of testing on morale was fm arena. Whether it is 100% valid or 100% invalid actually makes little difference. The important thing is there was thousands of matches with data and results. Maybe it will take 2 years to improve tests who knows. But I dont see anyone else doing things like that. I swear when people treat fm-arena like they are vampires. People here the name get defensive and start defending anything. When most of the time people are just showing the results. It is a lot better to also join that community and help make tests better then sitting here and answering the same noob questions week in and week out. For an official game forum general discussion is lucky to have a handful of interesting threads every 2 weeks. And as soon as real discussions breaks out we gotta worry about threads getting moved, buried or lock for off topic. I see a lot of criticism of tests sites but not very many people willing to participate and help out the cause. Sometimes it is just a lot of hot air blowing.

What would Si do with any data? As far as video game developers go Si has to be the least communicative game developer I've ever seen or heard of. I get dozens of games a year. And basically always have my whole life. But in the last decade the game making process is completely different. Most small devs and some big are in constant contact with their user base through out all media platforms. And actively encourage player feedback and take it in while the game is being developed. Honestly I've never seen Si open to criticism ever. I don't see them actively communicating anything. Example any info on winter patch? Any info on fm25? On unity? On if it's just a graphic engine or the entire match engine has be redone? Was any code saved? Entire new code base? Any details about anything? So please tell me what would Si do with any community data? I know other game devs seek out data and run their independent tests with out even being prompted. I'm not attacking Si or their developers or their programming skill. But I will openly criticize their communication. I mean when Zealand called Si out over dynamic youth Si responded like a kid who got their feelings hurt. I've seen them more defensive when presented with data or questions then welcoming. SI is always playing defense. SI could be the best project management and coders at all of Sega but darn they are lousy communicators compared to the current video game scene. Why would anyone ever want to present Si with anything? I can go on about how many users since the fm24 beta went live were complaining there was a problem with negative transfer budgets. Even uploaded saves. And for months were told it wasn't an issue only to finally get acknowledged in January that it was a bug. SI again was overly defensive and dismissive of it's user base. Bottom line. Tbh we don't need Si to verify anything. You think just because they are devs they know more then the collective community? Numerous gaming communities have proven time after time they know just as much as the devs. And time after time devs that are part of public traded companies lie. Not saying Si lies. But nearly every public traded company does. Look at the mess of cities Skylines 2. Devs say oh yeah these mechanics work. Game simulation works. Then 100 fans prove it doesn't with video and hours and hours of game play. And Co the devs attack the community. So I completely disagree we need Si to do anything. All game mechanics should be verified by the community. If a community tests aren't good enough as a community we should make them better. You should strive to improve community testing. But usually what I see is people tearing down FM community tests. I've never seen anything like that in other gaming communities.

I'm not even bringing Si up or am I bringing up anything that truly broken. I gave evidence my personal saves that morale and dynamics were irrelevant to my saves in both fm23 and 24 in long saves 2060 starting with a low build a nation save. I then provided evidence from the only massive test every run on morale and posted the result table. Personally I don't need Si to do or verify anything. I'm sure morale makes an impact. But the question is if that impact is significant to the majority of the user base in the majority of saves. And is it worth real life time and millions of clicks in a 4 decade save. My answer to that is no it's not worth. Maybe to someone else it is worth it. I don't think anyone is trying to prove something like morale is completely broken. I'm discussing if impact of it has meaning and is worth bothering with. Plus I gave evidence of holidaying. If morale and dynamics made heavy impact you could never holiday for and entire season and be successful. You can test this. Make promises to everyone. Holiday the season, promises break, and other discussions fail. Dynamics and morale take a hit. Do you still win? Yes you do. Again I'm not saying anything about it being broken or we need Si to look at it. I'm saying it's not worth my real life time to pay attention too. Because in almost 2000 hours played over last 2-3 versions it has made bare minimum impact on my saves. Maybe for new players or bad players morale makes more of an impact. But if you know how to play the game. I haven't seen it in my saves and the only tests ever done back me up.

Literally wasn't personal at all. I was stating how you were coming off in this particular thread. Not what your intentions were and not what kind of person you are. The appearance of how a person comes off in a written forum isn't close to a personal statement about that person. I was giving you a heads up on how you were looking. Furthest thing from a personal attack.

Please then stop repeating yourself. But you are coming off looking bad man. You are looking like some body that refuses to acknowledge any dirt of tests that isn't personally done. What you are giving off is if you don't create it then it's not valid. You are looking super arrogant and super hard headed. The way to disprove people is to use their tests and then create your own to test and see what happens. If you aren't willing to do either why even comment on it. Just be like yeah they got data but I don't feel like looking at it. Instead you are like no all of their data is bs and invalid. I don't like it. I don't want to look at it. No no. Stop asking. Dude that is how you are coming off. we certainly know their top rated tactics are dominating. So they must have some kind of valid testing. Or it wouldn't work for tactics. I also think it's very weird to dismiss or belittle the only community that is at least doing testing and making it public. No other community is out there doing what they do on the level that do. Instead of belittling if you think you can be helpful why not actually try go be helpful to them. Seems like you are more concerned with the game getting exposed. No game is perfect. Every game will get exposed. It doesn't change anything man

Not sure where you are getting 80 matches from but they use 38 match seasons. It says so right at the top of the link I first included https://fm-arena.com/table/20-condition-morale-testing/ So maybe you should stop being so dismissive and download the test league? Remember this is a tactic site that over pandemic started to do other things. Even here where they describe some features they say if you want to know everything download the save file https://fm-arena.com/thread/2712-fm-arena-tactic-testing-league/

They have their test as a save you can download it and see for yourself. If someone were to ask me 2 dozens questions about your realism mod there is no way I could summarize it up for a simple comment. I would be like yeah it does a bunch it's great go try it. And I would refer them to the mod post with the details. I feel like people treat FM arena like a vampire. When others point out yes their save is public. Yeah they are nice and answer questions. Yeah the answers are in their forum. No one goes there to do their own research. They just assume. We aren't the mods or admin of FM arena no way we could recall the exacts of their tests. If I need to I usually have to pull out their forum and reread it. Out of all the FM communities FM arena are easily the most thorough testers around. Nothing is ever going to be perfect unless you have dev tools for testing. But as numerous gaming communities have shown countless times it's possible to have end user test to discover how mechanics of a game work.

Very good point. They have their test league. They run the tests post the results and that is really it. People that make a big deal and go over the top aren't the FM arena admins or testing guys. It's really not even their community members either. It's some who clicked their from another community sees one table of results and looses their mind.

FM engine has been patched and hacked together for 20 years. I would bet the farm that their isn't 1 employee at Si that truly understands the code 100%. It would be impossible. Employees come and go. You can have all the code notes and code bibles you want. But most of the time they are guessing. And I'm sorry to inform you lot but I can thousands of game communities that know and have worked out things far beyond what the developers knew or even imagined. This is done through testing game engines. Look at the Baldurs Gate 3 guys that completed the entire game in 10 minutes. Larian the developers had no idea it was possible and never even imagined it. Another completed it by sticking a msin character in a box and being able to skip to the end of game. Cities Skylines 1 the developers never figured out traffic. Modders had too. Their sequel guess what still can't handle traffic released without mods and is sitting at 43% on steam. The list goes on and on... In FM arena case they have their test league as a save open for public download. And they are pretty nice and the sdmibs there answer any questions. Honestly all I hear is hot air when it comes to disproving FM arena tests. No one reruns their tests and no one devises thdur isn't tests to prove or disprove or counter the findings. People just talk back and forth. While FM arena is one of the only communities actually testing mechanics. Doesn't matter if there tests are 100% or 60% valid. They are the only ones doing it. Again if you think it's invalid why has no one tried to run their own tests to prove anything. FM arena has data the people that say its invalid show us your data

If morale made that much of an impact players would never be able to holiday with terrific results. You holiday for an entire season you will mostly fail all of the morale checks by default. Your assistant will not do transfer or contracts or squad status or worry about keeping promises you made. YouTube is filled with creators holidaying entire seasons and still greatly overachieving with underdog clubs. If morale was so vital this wouldn't be possible as often as is happening out in the wild. And there is still no data proving morale is actually vital to our clubs seasons. If it's not vital then it's not making an impact. If it doesn't make an impact it's not worth doing.