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FYI, a partial solution to this is to download FMRTE. This allows you to edit club affiliations within saves, you can edit that FC Nordsjaelland affiliation with RTD. RMRTE does cost money, and it is not a pregame editor so you have to apply the edit to each save. But it is a good work-around until (if?) SI fix the issue.
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On 16/03/2024 at 20:59, Benzegoal said:
You do not need the save file for thia. This issue is for each and every save and needs to be fixed.
Correct. Each and every save. African players shouldn't come through the FCN Academy anyway, because that's not what happens in real life. In real life, they go to FCN when they are 18. That needs to be changed in the base game, IMO.
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I just posted about this on the main board, so I'll copy and paste to here. As to real life examples, all you have to do is pull up the FC Nordsjaelland website and look at their youth rosters. It's all Danish and other Scandinavians. African players don't arrive until they are 18. My post is below.
I manage FC Nordsjaelland a lot. With their link to Right to Dream Academy in Ghana, they always get a lot of African players to come through their academy at the age of 15 or 16, which in turns means fewer Danish players coming through my youth intake. To me, there are two issues with that....
1) That's generally not how it works at FC Nordsjaelland. Those players are signed from Right to Dream at age 18, because African kids can't move to Europe until they are 18. Under the current setup, I get very few Danish players through my youth intake, which isn't accurate. If you look at their real-life U19 and U17 teams, it's all Danish and other Scandinavian kids, but after a few years on FM, their U19 is loaded with African kids. In real life, the African kids are brought in directly at 18 and plugged into the first team or the reserves. FC Nordsjaelland produces a ton of good Danish players in real life, but this is hard to replicate in the game because so many kids from RTD are coming through my youth intake. Those RTD kids should be bought as transfers from RTD at 18 instead.
2) When I'm not doing an FC Nordsjaelland save, the AI can't handle the African kids coming through the Youth Intake. They all have to be paid 50k to qualify for a work permit, and the AI doesn't think they are worth that much it seems, or perhaps they are capped by the wage budget, so the result is that a large number of FC Nordsjaelland's youth team after a couple of years can't even play in games because they don't have work permits.
I'm not going to say it's game breaking, of course, because it's not. But it's also not accurate, and it does kill immersion for me, and considering the AI can't handle paying them and getting them work permits, it should be changed. There's no point in FC Nordsjaelland having a good youth setup if the AI doesn't even sign many of the players who come through it. The solution I think would be to change the affiliate to a "right to purchase" type, rather than the type that sends players to the FC Nordsjaelland academy, and perhaps make it so the board expect you to sign Ghanian players. I would do it myself, but apparently we aren't allowed to edit affiliate types in the editor. So, my suggestion/request, as someone who almost always plays with FC Nordsjaelland, is to please change that affiliate type to something that more closely resembles real life, or at least let us have the option to edit affiliates in the editor ourselves so I can fix it. Or, if you don't think either of those things is appropriate, at least program the AI so that it actually signs those African players that come through it's youth intake.
Thanks for your consideration. If this is better suited for the suggestions board, feel free to move it, or let me know and I'll post it over there.
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Yep, same thing is happening to me. Losing two players at the end of this year without warning.
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50 minutes ago, StatboySpurs said:
Right. So Endrick wouldn't show up in an FM scouting report because he's U18, basically. Or Spurs wouldn't have been able to sign 16-year old Luka Vuskovi this past summer. He wouldn't have even shown up on their scouting report because he wasn't interested because he wasn't 18.
I think maybe the interested/not interested thing is what is holding things back here.
I guess the other point I would make about guys not showing up if they aren't interested. Well...they might not be interested now, but what if they just signed a new contract and are interested a year later? What if I go on to qualify for Europe or get promoted in six months? They'd possibly be interested then, but I don't know they exist, because my scouts didn't report them.
So yes, it's probably right to say scouting isn't "broken" because yes, it is working the way SI designed it. But whether it should be designed that way is highly debatable. That's my take, seven pages into this thread.
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59 minutes ago, TheHuss said:
This is what makes little to no sense. If your Brazil scout come across the next Pele, he'll watch him play, note the once in a century level of ability and potential, but because the player is 16, he won't file a scout report because for some reason all your scouts are walking around knowing that 16 year olds, no matter where they are have no interest in joining a world class club with world class facilities and for a signing on fee which would potentially lift generations of his family out of poverty.
Right. So Endrick wouldn't show up in an FM scouting report because he's U18, basically. Or Spurs wouldn't have been able to sign 16-year old Luka Vuskovi this past summer. He wouldn't have even shown up on their scouting report because he wasn't interested because he wasn't 18.
I think maybe the interested/not interested thing is what is holding things back here.
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4 minutes ago, Zachary Whyte said:
@StatboySpurs in your example, searching for just Norway is quite narrow, switching ‘Norway’ to ‘Northen Europe’ gave me much more recommendations.
Yep, I've tried that before as well, and still don't get the type of results I got in FM23. I guess my main question is this...when I manually send scouts to watch specific games in Norway, lots of players show up in my scouting center that do not show up when I set the recruitment focus to that particular league in Norway. I can manually scout for six weeks and get plenty of options...but with a recruitment focus for six weeks, I get pretty much no options. When I manually scout specific games, there is obviously no input from me as to CA/PA, age, etc. It seems to be open-ended, and players show up in the recruitment center from the games my scouts watch. If they didn't find anybody at a certain game, I get an email from the scout telling me that they didn't find anyone suitable. So, what exactly are they looking for when I manually assign them? And why don't those same players show up when I do a recruitment focus in the same league with a low (1 or 1.5-stars) CA?
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3 hours ago, Zachary Whyte said:
Hello @zeza
I left a detailed comment on this post back on Page 6.
I don't know exactly what the disconnect is, but scouting is definitely not working for me, and I do things exactly as I did them in FM23. If it was designed to be harder this year, that's fine. I would actually favor it being a bit harder to find wonderkids and such, especially in different continents, but it's current level is not only too hard, as shown in my uploaded save, it's basically non-existent.
If we are doing it wrong for this year's version, someone from SI needs to let us know exactly what is going wrong, and not just tell us to use a more broad focus. Give us a post, with screenshot examples, of EXACTLY what we need to do. Or better yet, use the SI YouTube video to do a video. That would probably be the most helpful.
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1 hour ago, Passion4FM said:
In terms of this information - I don't quite understand you:
"Another important thing to note is that when creating a Recruitment Focus you have to factor in the quality of your squad.For example, if you are a top Premier League club with a very talented group of players, your scouts will obviously have a harder time recommending players that they feel will make a significant impact on your team.
So, say instead you are a mid-table team in League One, your scouts will have a wider selection of players to look at and recommend to you."
After my quick test last night with the same team I always manage, with the new patch, I think it's just broken. 6 weeks scouting with four scouts in the top division in Norway, and not a single recommendation for my FC Nordsjaelland team. So you're telling me that my four scouts with full knowledge of Norway could not find a single suitable interested player in Norway? It doesn't make sense. If we're doing something wrong with setting up scouting focuses, then I would 100% welcome a step-by-step instructional guide on exactly how they should be set up.
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Ok, I've messed around with a save. I've got four scouts with full knowledge of Norway scouting the top division, with four analysts as well. Scouting for any position for any tactic. Minimum 3-star PA, and I've flipped around on the minimum CA to be 1-star for two weeks, 1.5-stars for two weeks, and 2-stars for two weeks. Ongoing priority. My scouts have come up with exactly zero recommendations. In fact, it tells me that I've scouted 73 total players, but when I scroll through them not a single one of them are playing in the Norwegian league, which I know isn't accurate because there are currently three players in the "in progress" tab. The 73 players that are scouted are either in Denmark, or free agents (I assumed they are there due to previous knowledge of the scouts I hired). But not a single recommendation from my scouting focus, and not a single near match. I used to get plenty of results when I used this method in FM23, and when I transferred my FM23 save into FM24.
I've uploaded the save called FC Nordsjaelland - Norway Scouting to the cloud.
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I haven't played the game in a month, but as I said earlier, I was having much more success finding players by sending my scouts to individual games. I could assign four scouts to scout Norway and not get many results; but if I individually sent sent four scouts to scout particular games in Norway, I would get a lot more results.
I have not changed my scouting methods at all from the past; they just stopped finding players. I always used the "ongoing" focus, FWIW. Maybe the scouts just don't know where to go. Maybe they are spending too much time in the third division instead of the top division, haha. I don't know. But I found I had a lot more success by individually assigning them to watch certain games. It's really not a big deal because I only have four scouts, so it doesn't take up much time. But if I had a lot more scouts, I'm sure it would be more annoying.
At any rate, I'll fire up a test save this weekend and see if anything has changed for me. I appreciate the team looking into the issues.
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11 minutes ago, wazzaflow10 said:
It begs the question, if the intent of scouting is to do this - why even bother with focuses or assigning scouts to anything other than next opponent (As an aside that task alone should generate reports on players in your scouting center? I thought the purposes of focuses was to do this in an organic way. If playing with fog of war on how could you possibly known what player attributes are or filter effectively if players haven't been already scouted?
I haven't played in several weeks because the scouting was too frustrating, but playing in Denmark, I was going through and scouting individual games in Denmark, Norway and Sweden. Assigning scouts to individual games day by day is tedious, but I found that I got much better results this way. I don't know what changed with scouting, because I wasn't having this trouble when FM24 was first released (though I was playing with an imported save, so not sure if that has anything to do with it.). So yeah, it's tedious...but at the same time it can be kind of fun. Granted, I only have four scouts and am only allowed to scout northern Europe, so it doesn't take too long. If you have a dozen scouts and can scout all of Europe or the entire world, that would be extremely annoying.
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1 hour ago, Undy said:
What are the focuses he's set up? I have scouts with full country knowledge scouting Sweden, Croatia, Brazil, Argentina, Japan and Paraguay in separate focuses, all ages 15-20, any position, min PA 3 gold stars, min CA 3 silver stars, and between them there are 5 reports in progress (3 of which are in Japan), zero near matches and zero recommendations. These focuses have been ongoing for a few years.
I recently (a couple of game months ago) set up another focus ages 15-23, any position, min CA 1 silver star, min PA 4.5 gold stars(!), any region and ongoing with just one scout, and there is one recommendation (an 18 year old Cypriot midfielder) who I've already agreed to sign, and 50 in progress.
This definitely points towards a bug of some sort as there's no way the other focuses are too restrictive to even have reports in progress - a scout in Brazil for a mid-level European team (Rangers) should at least be able to find an under 21 player in any position to at least look into, if not recommended, who might have the potential (min 3 gold stars) to be a squad player at least.
That's pretty much what I'm getting. Managing in Denmark, scouting Denmark, Sweden and Norway, one scout in each country with extensive knowledge, half-star minimum CA and 2-star minimum PA, and I'm hardly getting anything at all. I've since scrubbed that save and I'm going to start a new one and just do manual scouting, but I guess I'll try it with what @Lam3r suggested first and let my chief scout run things. But at any rate, things have definitely changed since one of the patches. I'm not doing anything differently when it comes to scouting. I fact, I've adjusted the star ratings so that theoretically more players should show up.
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Scouting doesn't work
in Transfers, Scouting, Contracts and Intermediaries
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It's annoying, especially if you are a big club with a lot of scouts, but a workaround is to assign your scouts to individual games rather than doing focuses. They find more players. For example, I scouted two games in Austria in one day and got four recommendations from my scouts. The added bonus is that you immediately have extensive knowledge of each player. If I had found the same four players in a recruitment focus (which wouldn't have happened) it may have taken 2-3 weeks for me to gain extensive knowledge of them.