[Lack of formations in Preferred Formations for Coaching Staff]

1 ora fa, fc.cadoni ha scritto:

It's two versions now, so that's why I am start to think like this. We will see

I know, it seems weird to me too. Seems like a pretty simple bug to fix. Let's wait from someone from SI to answer this thread

[Lack of formations in Preferred Formations for Coaching Staff]

SI confirmed it was an issue and it was under investigation, so I don't think it is by design. I mean, the whole point of this new game was AI being more tactically savvy, and they remove half the formations actually used by managers in real life. Does not make any sense. 

 

[Lack of formations in Preferred Formations for Coaching Staff]

Just updated both editor and game and the issue does not seem to be solved, which is really a shame as I thought it would be a quick fix. Can we expect it to be corrected in the near future?

[AI teams buying players in roles that do not fit their formation]

Another striking example. Tuchel's Tottenham (3-4-2-1) spending 111 mln euros (!!!!) on Saint Maximin, which again, cannot fit easily at all in their system. As a result, he never played as a starter in 4 months. 

I uploaded the savegame containing the two examples above named "AI_buying_players_in_wrong_role_2".

 

[AI teams not loaning players in Italy]

I reported this issue last year. I have to say I am seeing some improvement on the AI loaning youngsters side, but it definetly still requires improvements.

[AI teams buying players in roles that do not fit their formation]

I have another example which in my opinion exemplifies pretty cleraly that this is a bug. Atalanta spending most of its tranfer budget (54 mln euros for a single player) on Thiago Gouveia that ends up never playing because he does not fit the 3-4-1-2 formation used by the team. As you can see, at the end of december he still has 0 overall appearances.

I noticed that most of the times this bug happens with teams that play a 3 man defence (3-4-1-2, 3-4-2-1) and keep on buying wingers and inside forwards for no reason.

[AI teams buying players in roles that do not fit their formation]

I uploaded a savegame named "AI_buying_players_in_wrong_roles" which is before the tranfer happened. I also upload another savegame named "AI_buying_players_in_wrong_roles_after" that is after the transfer.  Inter (3-5-2 system) bought Victor Tsygankov that will get no playing time because he cannot play in any position in a 3-5-2. I have seen that happening quite a few times at this point

["Club vision" disappeared]

22 ore fa, Zachary Whyte ha scritto:

Thank you for flagging, we will investigate further. For now, you can edit board objectives by going to the club's owner/chairperson and editing Personal Objectives, hope this helps.  

Thanks Zachary. The problem is that chairman's objectives change whenever there is a takeover, while club vision was more "stable". So you confirm me this is a bug and can we expect it to see it fixed?

[Not enough penalties being awarded]

I trust you guys to have conducted the correct statistical analysis. From my (not that detailed) analysis, penalties in game are 20-30% less than in real football

["Club vision" disappeared]

Anyone?

["Club vision" disappeared]

Let's wait for someone from SI to answer to this

[Lack of formations in Preferred Formations for Coaching Staff]

Yep, I have been having the same issue, most formations disappeared, which is really a shame. Hope it can be fixed

[No technical player development]

I still see technical attributes developing less than mental and physical, as it came out from the analysis on the other post. Can we still see some adjustment to make it more even?

[No technical player development]

17 ore fa, Zachary Whyte ha scritto:

Hello everybody. We've just released a minor update for the Football Manager 2023 Early Access Beta, which directly addresses the player's attribute development progression issue.

This update is save game compatible, meaning you don't need to start a new save game for the fix to take effect.

The update should download and install automatically. If it does not, we recommend restarting Steam or the Epic launcher.

Hi Zachary, should we consider the issue to be completely fixed then?

I'll run some tests to check

[AI managers little to no squad rotation: again?]

I uploaded a savegame named "no rotation ai". You can notice it yourself. Even teams that in reality rotate a lot (for example, FIorentina's attacking line) because they have european games, in FM always use the same striker. Even in roles where they have players of similar value, that should be in competition between each other to start every game. The AI just picks one, and the other one never plays. In the savegame I uploaded, you can have a look at Artur Cabral: Never playing. The manager is always playing Jovic. While in reality, FIorentina manager is almost always switching between Jovic, Cabral and Kouame, that are constantly competing for a spot in the starting eleven. 

Completely ridicoulous, where is the "Improved AI" Headline feature? The AI is exactly the same, if not worse, than previous games. I will be returning the game soon. I am done for this year.

[AI (non-existent) formation changes]

Absolutely agree, am I the only one to notice that the AI is still exactly the same as last years? Where is this magic major overhaul? What does it concern exactly? AI managers still employ THE SAME formation every single game, they do not even rotate players always using the same 11, as I said in my post regarding the issue. And this should be realism?

I feel like I have been tricked into buying when they have as a MAJOR FEATURE something that is completely non existent in game. I think I'll be returning the game this year, this is just ridiculous.

[AI managers little to no squad rotation: again?]

7 ore fa, Zachary Whyte ha scritto:

Hello, could you please provide us with some screenshots or a save file so we can investigate, thank you.

I can indeed, but it is just a common fact. Managers do not rotate. Just load up a random save and you'll see AI constantly employing the same 11, with the other players only being subbed in. You can check it yourself with a random save

[AI managers little to no squad rotation: again?]

Can someone from SI tell us something about this? The bug is there. The AI rotation is non existent and got a lot worse than it was in FM 22.

I am still flabbergasted since better AI was supposed to be an "headline feature"

[No technical player development]

38 minuti fa, Zachary Whyte ha scritto:

Thank you for flagging this, we are aware of the issue and are currently investigating. 

Thank you Zachary. Can we expect the issue to be fixed with the final version of the game?

[AI teams not loaning out prospects/selling unused players]

Il 8/6/2022 in 12:37 , Kyle Brown ha scritto:

Appreciate that insight, I'll pass the save over and see if anything can be done.  

thanks. I think seeing a more realistic behaviour on the transfer market by the AI would immensely increase the immersion in the game

[AI teams not loaning out prospects/selling unused players]

I have actually uploaded another savegame that I used primarly to conduct experiment on the subject. I named it "No loaning example 2"

Look at Chelsea and Liverpool reserves team. FULL of 20 to 23 years old that have not been loaned, and are very good players, some in the 140s CA as well. As you can see, just the overall amount of loaning those big teams carry out is just ridicolous. Liverpool just loaned 3 players in the whole season, Chelsea just two. United 2 as well. City only one.

Barcelona loaned zero players. Look at Niko Takahashi in their B team. a 174 PA player that has been loaned only ONCE in like 9 seasons. As a result, his CA is still in the mid 120s at 24 years old and he is playing in Spanish second division

[AI teams not loaning out prospects/selling unused players]

Il 6/6/2022 in 11:31 , Kyle Brown ha scritto:

To investigate something like this we'd need a save file with some specific named player examples. At the moment it's too vague to go on as we'd need more people to raise the issue or to back your claim.

If you can provide a save, we will investigate promptly and action any changes we feel need to be made:

 

 

Hello Kyle, I uploaded a 2030 savegame, the first one I hand available since the issue is so prominent it does not make much of a difference. It is named "No loaning example 1"

Look at Arsenal B team (again, just picked a random team). 

They have 3 spanish newgen wonderkids (Aizpurua, Rojo, Aranburu) that are clearly TOO good to be playing in the reserves teams. Using the in game editor, I can see that they are all around 130-140 CA. And, as you can see, Arsenal is not loaning them, and above all making them UNAVAILABLE for loan. And NEVER playing them in the first team. As you can see it does not make any sense, and ruins some possibly incredibly good players in the future.

Another example from the same save. Look at Bayern II. Some newgen youngsters like Duwel, Hasler and Fischer are clearly way too good to be playing in the German 3rd League, and will likely get no development out of it. Still, they are set as not available for loan.

Look at Barcelona B as well. There are a bunch of 21 yrs old in the mid 120s CA that are just rotting in the spanish third division, when they could at least be good backup players for lower tier La Liga teams.

 

 

[Players always running wide]

6 ore fa, Kyle Brown ha scritto:

As detailed in the thread attached below, we are committed to making changes, but the complexity of the match engine means it isn't a quick fix, or something we can solve overnight. 

The movement of IW and IF is something that has been heavily criticised, it's not something we are about to ignore. 

 

I get that it is complex Kyle, but I find the game barely playable at the moment because of this issue.

if making changes to match engine is complex, and I get it, then release a game every other year and not every year.

It is impossible to deal with the current status of the match engine.