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4 hours ago, DiscoDave said:
Thanks for the replies people. I'll stick to just the recommended 5, rather than confuse the player
Regards...
Who recommends 5?
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You can only shout once to a certain player in a certain amount of time, I’m not sure if it Is 10 or 15 mins.
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1 hour ago, DiscoDave said:
No. I'm not training traits that contradict each other. That would be dumb
But giving them too many plus whatever instructions are set in the role they will be playing will lead to instruction overload.
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5 hours ago, Razor940 said:
I think it depends on a lot of things and how you approach the game on various aspects. If I would counter attack a superior side I would probably use attack mentality, a very structured fluidity, deep lines, and high tempo. You want to break with very fast transitions, you dont want to be any less than fast. The lines are what will dictate more how you play.
And I don't agree at all on having to play with extreme positive mentalities with high tempos against cautious sides, this is football, this is not black and white like maths.
The more I play this game I believe it is all about the maths though..... take a perfect well balanced tactic truish to real life and it can fail..... take a totally unbalanced tactic contradictory to real life tactics and people find success.
I play to the former, think that’s where I’m going wrong...
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8 minutes ago, HanziZoloman said:
Same here ... have fluidity after a few games except for player roles which is always low. I train it often by match prep but it won’t increase
So frustrates me when
A. The player has attributes to play the role.
B. When according to the same guy it’s his most suited role but after 40 games he needs more game Time to become accustomed to the role.
with information like this I fully understand how newbies get confused with this game.
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I’m not sure how this familiarity works, I always play the same formation but I always get the comment saying so and so is not familiar with your formation and needs more game time..... after 40 matches I would fully expect players to be familiar with the formation.
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I would imagine all those traits plus other instructions you give him could get a little messy, and may lead the player to not do what you want him to do.
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What are his traits?
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Found it now, now sure how this app works things out but it says a full back on support doesn't offer support to a winger on attack...... 🤷🏻♂️
Maybe useful as a guide to newcomers but certainly wouldn't look to make a tactic from it.
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Where do you find this rate my tactic?
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5 hours ago, ReadingFan82 said:
Hello anyone that might read this, hope you are all doing well.
Basically what this post is asking how I would go about creating a tactic for myself and just not nabbing one of a forum or other fm website or something like that. I just don't really know where to start with it and was just wondering if anyone had any pointers on how I could get started. I kinda want to actually feel like its me playing this game and some random anonymous person from the internet who's tactic I have stolen so yeah.
I have saw some people saying leaving the instructions pretty bare could be a good idea so should I try that. Would that work with good players (my Everton save) and on my lesser save (Sunderland)?
Any help would be greatly appreciated
A lot of the advice you get here will say you need to think of a style you like and go about replicating it, to me that can be difficult to a newcomer and is trying to run before you can walk.
Have a look at the excellent pairs and combinations thread, it goes about showing how to set up a balanced tactic, if you can get a balanced tactic working you can then add various instructions to define a style of play but to begin with I would just go down the balanced route that suits the players you have.
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100% this, a sensible way of going about it for players of all levels whether new or experienced.
As I mentioned in another post most of the advice to people here is to think of a style and then go about making it work in FM terms, to me this makes the game complicated.
You don't need to have a particular style in mind just a well balanced tactic that suits your players.
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If your looking to play a double pivot in the midfield then BWM on any duty can be a bit risky in my opinion especially if it's on the same side as your wing back.
Cm D would work better for me. But depends on what your looking for.
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Loving this thread, it just goes to show that you don't have to have a definite idea of how you want to play and go about replicating it which is so often the answer here when anyone asks for help.
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4 minutes ago, mister.cool40 said:
Delicately balancing risk vs reward...the eternal conundrum of a football manager 😣
All about turning a negative Into a positive 😉
In all seriousness wingers with High work rate do tend to track back
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1 hour ago, mister.cool40 said:
Effectively stopping Overlaps?
I play with 433 and have a world class team.I feel one of the best way top teams and even some midtable team keep creating chances against me is with overlaps.I have very good defenders and in most matches it's not a problem.However in some away matches when AI is playing aggrresively with fullbacks overlapping I find them difficult to stop.I tried some strategies like:
1)In most of my matches I set OI for the two wingers(433 or 4231 causes most problems against me btw) to tackle harder and show outside.The thinking is to not let them cut inside.I do not set pressing intensity to Always as I feel my defenders7 get too occupied with the wingers and opposition fullbacks can easily overlap.And for the fullbacks I set pressing intensity always and tackle harder.It apparently worked in many matches,but against some very best teams I couldn't stop the overlap.
2)The 2nd strategy was bit desperate..I told each of my 4 wide players to specifically man mark their respective opponents and told to hard tackle the 4 in the OI....it seemed my wide players were shadowing their wide players and overlaps were somehow mitigated..but my overall defensive structure felt too chaotic.I only tried in my last season in UCL so not many sample for me to understand ita effectiveness.
So,is there a foolproof and/or Jack of all trades strategy that would allow me to effectively stop opposition overlaps?Or is it not possible in every matches?
Having this conundrum myself at the Minute, I've been instructing my wingers to man mark the full backs which has worked to stop the full backs getting un-challenged crosses in but at the same time I've lost my attacking edge.
My thought now is to let the full backs go and exploit the space they leave instead.
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Plenty of questions over the last week but no answers......
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2 hours ago, rossenori said:
your CM/A is attacking the same area as your IF/A. try switching him to a mezzela on support. your DLF on S might be dropping too deep. and LB on attacking duty to overlap your IW.
A CM on attack will not necessarily attack the same spot as a inside forward on attack,that would be an attacking Mezz who attacks the channels.
Nothing wrong with that combination in my opinion, in that formation you do need attacking penetration from the midfield.
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Excellent thread, the best I’ve seen here for a while, fantastic advice for newcomers to the game.
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I’ve always tended to go with a support duty striker in that formation but at the minute I’m going with DLF on attack as I think this would give me best of both worlds as he would drop off to support play before hitting the box.
I think this is the attack duty role that doesn’t get isolated as much as the others.
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On 17/04/2020 at 21:04, KlaaZ said:
is there any reason why players in the AML and AMR slot don't track back when full backs overlap? I've tried a lot of things, including tighter marking and specific man marking, but I can't get them to defend properly..
Can depend a lot on attributes, my wingers have high work rate and always seem to track back even when on an attack duty, sometimes mark player or specific position helps but in most cases I don’t need to use it.
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At best I think they get a small boost to morale.
I just say to my players today we’re playing whatever my chosen mentality is and I get a green thumbs up from them every time, don’t bother saying anything else as I don’t want to lose the thumbs up.
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Just now, petertr said:
Yeah, they're doing well. 7.0 and 6.8 for my 2nd choice pairing. Thanks!
Keep doing what your doing then mate, it’s impossible for the game to know what we want to achieve tactical wise so sometimes something that doesn’t seem logical to the game works perfectly well for us and and works how we want it to.
a lot of the advice the game gives us is just a guide and a not select this option and you will win kind of thing.
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1 minute ago, petertr said:
The message says they play poorly together though.
I've got no issue with my tactic tbh. My 1st choice RB and RW have a green line and work fine together.
But are they doing what you want them to do and is your tactic working?
If they are playing well and doing what you want them to do then ignore the message you are getting.
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