Omnislash Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 It comes down to 1. Is it worth the resources for SI to implement these African leagues? (more programming and research will be needed, not to mention additional licenses, but will it increase sales, widen influence etc...) 2. Is it an issue that has higher priority than other areas of improvement? Right now I don't see this as meeting either of those requirements really. Maybe SI will find the time to add one or two more leagues from Africa in 2009, but I doubt there's any major increase anytime soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonin Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Yes it is worth the "resources," as you put it. Why wouldn't it be? If you think "other areas" should be/will be addressed first, dream on. There have always been bugs in FM and there will continue to be in FM09. Three bugs will be fixed, and that will cause two more. Using "other areas need improvement first" as an excuse to not add African leagues is simply another way of saying African leagues do not interest you at all. Which is just fine. But the almost total lack of African leagues in FM is an appalling oversight. Some of us have been asking for more African content since the CM 01/02 days!. Year after year the response from SI is either silence or "we hope to add more African leagues some day." Meanwhile, the game includes the likes of football powerhouses like Malaysia and Indonesia. And we get "new features" like team talks. Why is this issue not regarded as important by some people here? Is it because the issue has to do with Africa? Why is the "African issue" at the absolute bottom of the ladder when it comes to importance? People are already howling about problems with the Spanish league in FM08. And rightfully so, given the importance of the Spanish league. But what if somebody who doesn't care about Spain said "Well, so what? Manage someplace else. There are more important things to fix first." What if someone suggested removing several European leagues so that the game would be smaller and downloads would be quicker? There would be a firestorm of anger from people whining about their little pet European league. What I can't understand is, why wouldn't FM players want to manage in an African league? I'm not of European background, yet I have no problem managing in Germany, France, Russia, Croatia, Romania, Uruguay and even bloody Indonesia. What's the big deal? Are you assuming that only somebody African will want to manage in Africa? The research for more African leagues has already been done. Several people, working on their own, have cobbled together "patches" for Egypt and Tunisia. There is also at least one Chadian league patch out there. These efforts should receive official recognition and be incorporated into FM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">not to mention additional licenses </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Most leagues aren't licensed, so this is not an issue. <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">more programming and research will be needed </div></BLOCKQUOTE> The research for some of the leagues (especially Egypt) is already there and the ones who code leagues aren't the same ones that code teamtalks and the likes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omnislash Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Antonin: Yes it is worth the "resources," as you put it. Why wouldn't it be? If you think "other areas" should be/will be addressed first, dream on. There have always been bugs in FM and there will continue to be in FM09. Three bugs will be fixed, and that will cause two more. Using "other areas need improvement first" as an excuse to not add African leagues is simply another way of saying African leagues do not interest you at all. Which is just fine. But the almost total lack of African leagues in FM is an appalling oversight. Some of us have been asking for more African content since the CM 01/02 days!. Year after year the response from SI is either silence or "we hope to add more African leagues some day." Meanwhile, the game includes the likes of football powerhouses like Malaysia and Indonesia. And we get "new features" like team talks. Why is this issue not regarded as important by some people here? Is it because the issue has to do with Africa? Why is the "African issue" at the absolute bottom of the ladder when it comes to importance? People are already howling about problems with the Spanish league in FM08. And rightfully so, given the importance of the Spanish league. But what if somebody who doesn't care about Spain said "Well, so what? Manage someplace else. There are more important things to fix first." What if someone suggested removing several European leagues so that the game would be smaller and downloads would be quicker? There would be a firestorm of anger from people whining about their little pet European league. What I can't understand is, why wouldn't FM players want to manage in an African league? I'm not of European background, yet I have no problem managing in Germany, France, Russia, Croatia, Romania, Uruguay and even bloody Indonesia. What's the big deal? Are you assuming that only somebody African will want to manage in Africa? The research for more African leagues has already been done. Several people, working on their own, have cobbled together "patches" for Egypt and Tunisia. There is also at least one Chadian league patch out there. These efforts should receive official recognition and be incorporated into FM. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> while most of those arguments are valid, it would still require SI spend additional resources on top of their existing projects to add new leagues. And how much additional sales would it generate? Not as much as say, if they spent that resources on improving Confidence or Media or AI. Most of the people demanding African leagues will most likely buy FM anyway without it. It is unfortunate that profit drives the product, not ideals. However if you can get a large enough group to start boycotting FM unless SI puts it in then it'll become a profit issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jokerswild Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I will say that I use Blue Lou's database and it is solid. Egypt and Tunisia in the database, very solid. I have noticed a lot of Algerian and Moroccan players coming around from Africa too which are solid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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