Help me to make defense line

[a5864003]

The tactic I want to make is like the picture, I want to make a system of three defenders when I build up four defenders when I defend. Just like Pep used Abidal in the past in real football.

Like Pep Guardiola's Manchester City rear build-up system, I hope the three defenders make the above form

 

The first attempt

Three centre-backs, with the leftmost being the wide centre-back to act as a slight pull-back and the rightmost centre-back to be wide

Adventage

1. Complete build-up form

    As shown in the second picture, three defenders are positioned to build up

 

2. Appropriate Left Support

   What I want is one full-back (right) to help the attack and one full-back (left) to prepare for a counterattack. If you place the leftmost wcb, you can move forward appropriately to help connect with the left striker     and the central midfielder, stay at the end and prepare for a counterattack

 

Problem

 

1. Limitations of the center back

    Limitations of the centre-back under the FM tactical system preventing the left full-back from being blanked. Lack of marks for opposing right wingers and lack of regional defense for the left fullback to defend

    Issues such as those shown in the picture below are often presented

The center-back, who has to defend the left area, is often seen in the center due to the limitation of the center-back role.

In addition to the photo above, 4 defenders are not properly implemented when defending due to the limitation of the center back role

 

The second ateempts

Give instructions to the left FB-D to stand narrow.
The right-most centre-back is instructed to spread wide.

 

Adventage

1. a steady defense

    4 well-implemented in defensive situations. In the previous attempt, the left defense was unstable due to the limitation of the center back, but the left defense problem was solved by leaving a fullback

    It is also possible to have 3 defenders behind you to prepare for counterattacks

 

Problem

1. Bad build-up

   

As shown in the picture above, the distance between the right-most center back and the left-most center back and the full-back has increased. Build-up skewed to the left

 

Desired build-up form

[skyline72]

Use a Half-Back or DM with comes deep to get ball?

Might look like a 2-1 build up instead of flat 3.

[prched55]

21 hours ago, a5864003 said:

Like Pep Guardiola's Manchester City rear build-up system, I hope the three defenders make the above form

 

21 hours ago, a5864003 said:

Give instructions to the left FB-D to stand narrow.
The right-most centre-back is instructed to spread wide.

The second one you posted is closer to what Pep does at Man City than the first one. If you look at the screenshot you posted as well as watching any of the teams that utilize a fullback to create a back 3, they are all lopsided. Another way you could do it is by using a IWB(d) with a DM(d). 

[a5864003]

On 2022. 4. 25. at 오후 11시 15분, prched55 said:

 

The second one you posted is closer to what Pep does at Man City than the first one. If you look at the screenshot you posted as well as watching any of the teams that utilize a fullback to create a back 3, they are all lopsided. Another way you could do it is by using a IWB(d) with a DM(d). 

In most cases, the right center back is far from the left center back, so the ball doesn't go to the right, and the build-up goes on the left side and is treated as a long ball

[robot_9x3]

Am 24.4.2022 um 18:41 schrieb a5864003:

three defenders when I build up four defenders when I defend

What I've read a lot is "the tactical creator shape is your shape in defense" so I think you should start with a back four.
Maybe an Inverted Wingback on defend one side and one on Support/attack on the other side?

Inverted Wingbacks even on defend want to be DMs from what I see, so maybe Fullback on Defend as weird as it may sounds gives this sometimes:

Image: how a FB-D with two CDs can form a back three

 

Inverted Fullback Defend goes too far forward (sitting next to the DM) to be what you want. Something you may not like your defense will be tilted, my left fullback defend mostly stays behind the DM but he also is not really close enough to the CDs and the  right side Centerback rarely pushes as wide as you see in the screenshot. But maybe a Wide Centerback is the solution to that.
Otherwise do what others have suggested two CDs and a Halfback, that would at least create a symmetrical back 3 in possession.

Image: how a FB-D and 2 CDs mostly seem to form a back three

Edited April 27, 2022 by robot_9x3
added screenshots and explanation

[a5864003]

On 2022. 4. 27. at 오후 6시 48분, robot_9x3 said:

What I've read a lot is "the tactical creator shape is your shape in defense" so I think you should start with a back four.
Maybe an Inverted Wingback on defend one side and one on Support/attack on the other side?

Inverted Wingbacks even on defend want to be DMs from what I see, so maybe Fullback on Defend as weird as it may sounds gives this sometimes:

Image: how a FB-D with two CDs can form a back three

 

Inverted Fullback Defend goes too far forward (sitting next to the DM) to be what you want. Something you may not like your defense will be tilted, my left fullback defend mostly stays behind the DM but he also is not really close enough to the CDs and the  right side Centerback rarely pushes as wide as you see in the screenshot. But maybe a Wide Centerback is the solution to that.
Otherwise do what others have suggested two CDs and a Halfback, that would at least create a symmetrical back 3 in possession.

Image: how a FB-D and 2 CDs mostly seem to form a back three

to use widecenterback have to start with 4back with 3centerback and it makes problem to left defense (the leftmost centerback often misses opponent's right winger And this seems like a tactical system issue, not a player capability issue.)

two CDs and a Halfback  -> I like Cruyff's 3331 and the diamonds he makes. With HB, both fullbacks must be aggressive or centrally active. Then there will be only two centre-backs left in the rear. The reason for using one fullback defensively is that I think at least three players are needed in the rear to prepare for the opponent's counterattack.