Custom USA Database causes NACL to Disappear

Wow and I was going crazy going thu all mine files thinking what one of them was causing this when all along it  just an another bug in the game. 

4 hours ago, omarsorto6 said:

Wow and I was going crazy going thu all mine files thinking what one of them was causing this when all along it  just an another bug in the game. 

Yeah I was so happy that I had my DB working but then I noticed none of the teams in USA went to NACL. I wanted to see who went to NACL then and searched for it and nothing came up. I even put in the ID for it in game and still nothing. It's like it is gone. So then I thought it was my DB so I created a new DB with one league in US and filled it with 20 teams and made all other leagues excinct and same issue. It isn't in the game. Somehow it's tied to MLS. 

I'm getting real tired of trying to develop in US when so many things are screwy about it. 

1 hour ago, Digijustin said:

Yeah I was so happy that I had my DB working but then I noticed none of the teams in USA went to NACL. I wanted to see who went to NACL then and searched for it and nothing came up. I even put in the ID for it in game and still nothing. It's like it is gone. So then I thought it was my DB so I created a new DB with one league in US and filled it with 20 teams and made all other leagues excinct and same issue. It isn't in the game. Somehow it's tied to MLS. 

I'm getting real tired of trying to develop in US when so many things are screwy about it. 

Yea bro I gave up on editing concacaf , they’re even a bug with the gold cup not working properly . What I end up doing is merging northern and South America and put USA teams in Copa Lib so I can play a long term save at least . 

Yeah it's upsetting for sure. I want to play my US DB and everytime I get past a hurdle, something random like this shows up. I think I'm done with this game unless they can show that they care about things outside of Europe. I've offered to help since I'm a developer myself in whatever way they want and my request has fallen on silent ears. I legit think that they don't care about the CONCACAF region as there aren't many FM players who care about it. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it but so far it's one thing after another. 

I saw this post on Thursday and was hoping that I could avoid this fate, but no, my concacaf champions league mod does not work when it is loaded by itself, much less with the rest of the universe. Digi, the day will come when we don't have the same issues at the same time (I hope.) 

CONCACAF Continental Competitions - CEUD.fmf

I certainly hope that day comes but I think it won't be for a long time, unfortunately. 

Also, I just tried a European mod created by someone else and the competitions showed up (attached). It looks like it may not be a universal issue. 

No_2024_format_V2.fmf

I'd be willing to bet it has something to do with MLS hardcoding as I made it extinct in my DB. 

10 hours ago, nielsoncp said:

Also, I just tried a European mod created by someone else and the competitions showed up (attached). It looks like it may not be a universal issue. 

No_2024_format_V2.fmf

Most likely any data base that edits over mls caused this issue

It is an issue related to the MLS. I went in to my database and made the MLS a lower level (11) and inactive competition. I loaded up my CONCACAF mod and my Canada mod in game, and the competitions appeared. I'm attaching the files below.

Steps to replicate:

1. Load Canada (non-MLS) file in game and look at the North American competitions. The club competitions should be missing. 

2. Load Canada and CONCACAF with MLS files in game. The club competitions should be present. 

CONCACAF Continental Competitions - CEUD - MLS Test.fmf Canada - 4 Tiers - CEUD - Advanced Mode - MLS Test.fmf Canada - 4 Tiers - CEUD - Advanced Mode.fmf

58 minutes ago, omarsorto6 said:

Most likely any data base that edits over mls caused this issue

What happen if we make the concacaf champions league from scratch ? 

Right now it (my custom concacaf champions league setup) appears in game for me. I'll try simming forward and see if there's a CTD issue. 

Edited March 6, 2023 by nielsoncp

35 minutes ago, nielsoncp said:

Right now it (my custom concacaf champions league setup) appears in game for me. I'll try simming forward and see if there's a CTD issue. 

What is custom about it?

3 minutes ago, Digijustin said:

What is custom about it?

My guessing is the format and number of teams that qualify. Did u use the game concacaf CCL or did u create one  from scratch?

Edited March 6, 2023 by omarsorto6

I loaded in a custom one that I built from scratch - 3 tournaments (Champions, Gold and Silver Cups), with the top 7 from US, Canada, and Mexico qualifying for one of the competitions. It works through the first two years - the correct teams qualify, it doesn't crash to desktop or import weird MLS teams in the us slots. The only drawback is that making MLS inactive removes the history for some reason, but otherwise it seems like it works with a custom format. It may be worth testing with your set-up Digi and see if the competitions appear without the changes to the NACL. (Again, attaching the files so SI can take a look if they want to.)

USA - 10 Tiers - CEUD - MLS Test.fmf Canada - 4 Tiers - CEUD - Advanced Mode - MLS Test.fmf CONCACAF Continental Competitions - CEUD - MLS Test.fmf

Digi, I just tried the trick (make MLS an inactive competition) with your database, and the continental competitions appeared in game. (See attached file.) So, SI, it has something to do with the way MLS is coded in game. Hopefully this helps!

USADB_WinterUpdateTest.fmf

5 minutes ago, nielsoncp said:

Digi, I just tried the trick (make MLS an inactive competition) with your database, and the continental competitions appeared in game. (See attached file.) So, SI, it has something to do with the way MLS is coded in game. Hopefully this helps!

USADB_WinterUpdateTest.fmf

We might be going somewhere. I loaded that file up as well and also verifying my main DB with that change and hopefully it's good. With the DB you updated of mine, I see NACL and doing a holiday now while I wait for other to verify. But this might be it

Ugh. I made MLS inactive but it's still not showing the NACL in my main DB. I even tried playing around with the extinct flag but both ways it won't show. I need to see if there's something else. 

Sorry Digi. :/ Do you want to post your main file and I'll take a look? Also, FYI (since this is now our group thread) St. Louis City is now hardcoded MLS - it disappears in the second season from non-MLS divisions. 

1 hour ago, nielsoncp said:

Sorry Digi. :/ Do you want to post your main file and I'll take a look? Also, FYI (since this is now our group thread) St. Louis City is now hardcoded MLS - it disappears in the second season from non-MLS divisions. 

Yeah I had seen STL was hardcoded in some previous tests. Here are my two files. But with MLS inactive and one with it not extinct as named in the files

FM23_FirstImport_MLSInactiveNotExtinct.fmf FM23_FirstImport_MLSInactive.fmf

I took a look tonight - I tried changing the level and the type of inactive competition, and neither fixed it. I don't know what the issue is, but hopefully this gives some more direction for the SI folks if/when they tackle the problem. I'm sorry Digi - I'll be out of internet range for the next few days (work retreat) but I'll let you know if I figure something out. 

Hello, this is a known issue we're currently investigating.

@Digijustin you are correct in that it is hardcoded to use the MLS, so if you edit the MLS instead, it should work.

Another thing worth noting is that the MLS is required to have 24 teams in order for the North American continental cups to run.

In your original file, changing the rules to affect the MLS and then increasing to 24 teams should allow the cups to run.

11 minutes ago, Zachary Whyte said:

Hello, this is a known issue we're currently investigating.

@Digijustin you are correct in that it is hardcoded to use the MLS, so if you edit the MLS instead, it should work.

Another thing worth noting is that the MLS is required to have 24 teams in order for the North American continental cups to run.

In your original file, changing the rules to affect the MLS and then increasing to 24 teams should allow the cups to run.

Thank you Zachary. I appreciate the info on this issue. What I don't want to do is keep the MLS as it's also hardcoded with draft and so many other things. I want to make an English-like system in the US. But it does help me figure out where to make updates and I'll report back here when I do.

I know it's a hard ask but is there a way to get a list of what is hard coded in regards to the MLS? I think it will save considerable time for us US DB editors to be able to work around things like that and better enjoy the game. 

15 hours ago, Zachary Whyte said:

Hello, this is a known issue we're currently investigating.

@Digijustin you are correct in that it is hardcoded to use the MLS, so if you edit the MLS instead, it should work.

Another thing worth noting is that the MLS is required to have 24 teams in order for the North American continental cups to run.

In your original file, changing the rules to affect the MLS and then increasing to 24 teams should allow the cups to run.

So unfortunately doing the MLS trick doesn't seem to work with Advanced rules. This is a bummer as my DB is "working" but has no NACL included in the game. I have tried a few things as far as adding the MLS into my league setup and still not seeing it. Again, the list of hardcoded items would really help out here as us DB editors are working blind trying to try random things to see if they work. 

hello, was there any solution?