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On 19/05/2022 at 19:59, Johnny Ace said:
Not that I know to, watch a couple of AI controlled games and see if they do the same, can't say I concede many from free kicks
That might tell you something and could be part of the reason, I guess you're doing better than that so keep on improving the squad
Got relegated to championship, and I am still conceding goals in the last 5 mins of matches. You can understand sometimes why people feel the game works against you. In the last game, my centre back goes off for treatment and before I even had a chance to do anything about it the AI exploits it, equaliser... 88th minute. Then they had a chance to win it 94th but luckily missed.
It happens every game. 3-1 game before last, conceeded 2 in last 10. It isn't concentation, I compared us with the rest of league and we are above average in that area. Feels like it is just stuck in a cycle this save, cannot do anything about it.
In more postitive news, I do at least feel like I have sorted the set play issues.
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28 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:
Thinks like Anticipation and Concentration, so they're really focused late on in a game and can anticipate the danger
Not a lot you can do really, just watch if it's a particular area on the field or a certain player giving away the fouls
It could be your keeper's not great at getting things organised, have a look at his attributes and see if there's any clues there, things like Communication and his mental attributes
Every game we concede from a wide free kick, is it a bug?! Always near the byline, they always aim for far post and they always seem to score...
I don't have the biggest team, but I also don't have a very big budget, but there must be something I can do.
Again, anticipation and concentration levels aren't too bad, but I was predicted to finish 20th in Premier League, so guess that tells you a lot about what I am dealing with.
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38 minutes ago, Johnny Ace said:
There could be any number of ways:
- Making sure your taller players are back there defending them
- Make sure your players have the mental attributes to cope with them
- Stop giving away dangerous free kicks late on in the game
- Maybe the game's trying to tell you your team have low Concentration
- Making sure your taller players are back there defending them - They always are, my tallest players are my centre backs, other than that, we are not the biggest
- Make sure your players have the mental attributes to cope with them - If you are talking bravery, I tend not to buy anyone (especially defensive wise) without at least 11/12 rating. What other stats do I need to look at?
- Stop giving away dangerous free kicks late on in the game - I do not have 'Get stuck in' on, so what else can I do?
- Maybe the game's trying to tell you your team have low Concentration - Not too bad actually, around mid table and for a club our size with the players and budget I have, that isn't an issue I don't believe
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Any help on how to stop conceeding from opposition free kicks would be much appreciated. Every version of this game, they seem to find another way for you conceed from set pieces. Corners isnt too bad, but every time they get a free kick they find a player at the back post un-marked. I don't seem to be able to specifically set an instruction to go back, go towards the back post and head it clear!
And I doubt there is much I can do about this, but I am conceeding a lot of goals in injury time as well... Any obvious things to try?
(For context, I have Colchester in the Premier League after 5 seasons, coming from League 2, so even though the squad has improved, I am losing most weeks to these free kicks and last minute goals, becoming infuriating seeing the same thing over and over).
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19 hours ago, XaW said:
I think I remember SI saying that the injury levels in the game is 20% lower than in real life on average.
Often injuries happen because of wrong or too much training, too intensive tactic, too little rotation, exhaustion, injury proneness, and a myriad of factors with a bit of randomness as well. So if this happens for a while it can be a coincidence, comparable to what Liverpool have at the moment with anyone playing centre back. If you see it happen over a very long period of time and with the same team, there could be other factors impacting it, like the one I mentioned. Perhaps you have loads of injury prone players? Perhaps you don't rotate enough and players are in danger of muscle injuries because of it? Perhaps your tactic is too demanding? Perhaps your players train too hard? Or perhaps a little bit of all of those? It's not easy to know, but your medical centre should hopefully give you some hints.
I play gegenpress like I am sure a lot of players do. To get a new injury every week, seems to me like something is broken. Just played my second since I posted, and with 15 minutes left to go, pulled hamstring sending me down to 10 men and ultimately it derails me again, costing us a goal in 91st minute. I've had 7-8 good seasons but something has changed and I am not sure what
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45 minutes ago, KlaaZ said:
The average amount of injuries in game is actually lower than it is in real life.
Not on my save
I currently have 5, had 8 at one point. I get someone back and within 2 games they are injured again...
12 minutes ago, AurioDK said:"Get stuck in" seems to produce a lot of injuries and certain positions are due to have injuries more often than in real life, this concerns mostly wingers as they get tightly marked and get "kicked" a lot. I can for the love of god not keep my wingers alive :).
The AI also tends to man mark whomever is getting the highest rating and often he will get knackered or injured, apart from that Klaaz is right, injuries overall seem to be fine and perhaps a bit lower than in real life.
I do have get stuck in though... maybe I will take that off for a bit...
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Hi. Was hoping someone may have some ideas or things I am missing regarding keeping players injury free that I am not already doing... as I am having the worst amount ever.
Every week there is a new one
In terms of resting players, I rotate quite a lot, and check if players are high risk to injury before hand... I do not get most my injuries from the matches themselves however, it tends to be in training. It is constant at the moment, and has derailed yet another season. I am thinking of quiting as it feels like there is something wrong on this save, as I never normally have this many.
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1 minute ago, HUNT3R said:
The first obvious thing I'd look at would be the match-up between the fullback and that attacker. Things like Strength, Balance, Jumping Reach and Anticipation. It may be that the fullback is just outmatched in those aerial duels, assuming they're headers?
If it lands at their feet, you may have to look at your defensive width and probably also the D-Line position as it may be too high.
It's not really a quickfire question though, so if you need more, it's best to open a thread.
Ok thanks
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Hello all.
I am conceeding majority of my goals from crosses towards my full backs/wingbacks... The opposition seems to more often that not play 433/451 and their wingers are always there to smash it in...
Is there a quick answer/one obvious thing to look at? My defensive width is just left as standard. My set up has one FB (s) on the left and WB (a) on the right.
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On 26/01/2020 at 21:27, summatsupeer said:
Well the 4141 DM Wide is weak on the flanks with the space between the wide forwards and fullbacks, especially the IF-At. Then playing narrower defensively your kind of giving up crossing opportunities. Why did you pick that formation rather than a flat 4141 if your trying to keep defensively tight against bigger clubs?
Corner wise I think depends on your teams height and defensive ability. If your CBs are the only ones with height and jumping ability it can be hard to defend. How have you set them up? Maybe add a "Defensive Corner" prep if its hurting your results that much?
I literally just copied what I had before which has brought some success and thought I would try and make it slightly more defensive. I will try a flat 4-1-4-1 as you have suggested.
I was also defending Narrow before because too many goals were scored from opposition going through the middle or having all the time in the world to place a shot from edge of the area. Now I have gone narrow and goals are coming from wide...
Anyway, will try the flat 4-1-4-1 as suggested, makes sense.
My corner routine I changed to what Rashidi had mentioned/posted about. It seemed to help slightly, but I am thinking I have a small team. I will have to have a look on comparisons page.
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On 22/01/2020 at 07:40, Marbah said:
saw the same issue in my games. was your 'official' taker from that side not in the match?
Official takers were all on and all on the correct side. Shouldn't be happening...
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On 25/01/2020 at 10:43, summatsupeer said:
I'd say your tactic isn't designed to "break teams down". If the transition into the final third isn't quick I'd expect it to struggle.
Two of your front three are attack duties which I read as wanting quick attacks into space. Then two of your midfield three are playmakers with the other a BBM. This will create a more structured approach with the midfield rarely making runs past forwards.
This I think make things a bit easier to defend once they have numbers back and organized. There wont really be space behind for runs and passes into space. Speaking of which, your DLF, IF, AP and I think the two IWBs, BPD and SK already try risky passes often, do you need to tell the others to try often as well? Why have two playmakers wanting the ball to there feet when other players are wanting to play a through ball? Why play to central defenders with a SK-Su?
Not saying it's bad, just that it's not setup to break down teams. If want to maximize the setup I'd look to attack faster without shorter passing or work ball into box. Take take with the all earlier whilst there is still space for your front 3. I'd also adjust the midfield so theres a player pushing higher earlier to support the front 3. The AP-At does not do that, he will still typically come deep to collect or be behind the ball. BBM is also more of a late arriver in the final third.
If you want a more pass and move fluid style I think you need to change a lot of roles and duties.
I guess, because I am now the underdog every week, it would explain why all of a sudden we are scoring.. however we continue to concede bucket loads. We cannot defend corners, there is always someone unmarked.
We also concede loads from crosses still, back post players unmarked is really bugging me now.
I have made a similar tactic but try to be more defensive when playing top 6. We were 3-1 up against Chelsea, it seemed to be working perfectly (but as per concede from a corner), but we just buckle. They have better individuals, so it is no surprise, but we keep drawing from winning positions. See below said tactic...
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So, finished the season... finished 2nd. Not great as we were expected to win the league, but it is promotion back to the premier league all the same.
Below are some screenshots I felt were important to share
Tactic - this is what was used for the last 10 - 12 games of the season. Only thing you cannot see there is I have asked the front 3 to press more. Was unsure whether I maybe should ask the AP (a) to as well, never tried it in the end. Taking counter press off seems to have helped with conceding so many goals, except in the 4-4 game (below) against Millwall where we were 4-1 up... If any game can some up my experiences with the last few editions of FM, then it is that. Just when you feel like everything has clicked into place, you get kicked in the stomach.
As you can see from the Results screenshot, still very inconsistent. I have struggled in breaking teams down. It feels (as per my thread title) you have score from the counter attack majority of the time. Is that realistic in todays footballing world? Probably to be fair... And the other goal I see a lot is when I am taking a throw in... all of a sudden that frees up space in the middle of the park, edge of the opponents area, for one of my centre mids to get a shot on goal. Other than that, I really struggle creating clear cut chances (my definition of clear cut, not FM's).
Any help or advice on this still welcome. If not, this is just me signing out and thanking people for their time in trying to help. I am going for a lie down...
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Another problem (one after another with this game...) Injury after injury... I currently have 7 first team players injured, it has been as high as 9... I never have my strongest team available to me. Other than rotation (which is what I do already) can you advise if anything else can be done?
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Just loaded game up, this is what I've used last couple of games. I thought I had better post it, as I have tried a few different things over last couple of days, I think I had forgotten exactly what I was using! This sometimes changes in game, sometimes the wing backs are changed to WB (s) or (a) as apposed to IWB. And sometimes I play wider... I know things need to be amended slightly in games, depending on what you see or feel is needed, what I am really looking for is a solid foundation to start from (and in the long term, a better understanding of TI's and roles)
EDIT: I have just realised I didn't mention how I have changed from Attacking to Positive. I think Attacking was probably a bit of an overkill in terms of the risk we were taking and wasn't helping the issues I have been experiencing. Since then results and performances have improved, we do not look as open. Would still love to hear what you thougth if you have time to watch any of the games.
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2 hours ago, sporadicsmiles said:
Rashidi does not just build a tactic in isolation though. He builds it with his players in mind. Watching his content on youtube, he will always consider the players and how they can perform in any given role. The tactic you have shown here is very demanding of a lot of players. Tactics do not really exist in isolation. At the very least you have to consider the players you have, and the tactics and players of the team you are playing. Which is another factor. Watching Rashidi, he will change things up when he sees something he does not like in a game. And to be fair I would have made the same criticisms of this tactic had it been Rashidi posting them looking for feedback.
I mean counterpressing is not necessary always wrong. If a team is sitting super deep against you without any real attacking threat besides a long striker, press away. If they are passing through your press, or getting the ball forward quickly and dangerously, then there is no point in it. It is situational. Rarely is there anything that you should use at all times. I will always abandon a high press against sides who are good enough to play around it, because at the moment by defenders are not good enough to deal with the consequences of a failed press. In this case the fact that you have so many players high up the pitch when counter-press triggers can cause problems. If your fullbacks get pulled into that press from their position in CM, you can get in trouble. This only needs to happen a few times a game. But it is a risk-reward thing. If you think the reward of pressing outweighs the risk, then go for it.
I'm gonna take a look at a couple of your games anyway, because then I can actually get a feel for how you are playing and see what it is like, which is always better than theoretical knowledge.
Edit: You are in FM19, right? So I will take a look at the game next chance I get.
I’m in FM19 yes.
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On 18/01/2020 at 13:42, Rashidi said:
The halfback would have given you an aggressive defence, he could also leave you vulnerable if he ends up too far away. I tend to favour HBs and BWM when i want more aggressive coverage.The DLP/AP combination, helps keep the ball and allows you to work the ball. Defensively you could also notice that he is closer to your backline but not nearly as aggressive as the HB. Its very similar to a system I am using for FM20 and should do well. The DLP could easily be changed to a DM without too much loss.
For some games you could drop your defensive line to Standard if you feel that your attacks are committing too many players. Other than that there is nothing wrong with it, it looks almost similar to something I am using with just a few different roles. If you want more goals to come from the striker consider changing him to a DLF(A), then you have a role who will drop deep and still bust a gut to get inside the box, where he could be a twin terror along with the IF(A) should the IWB or the AP get a chance to do a cross or diagonal.See above... @sporadicsmiles
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57 minutes ago, sporadicsmiles said:
You are using the last tactic you posted? I have not the time to look at matches right now (I can later to see if I am correct). However the last thing you want to do from the tactic you have posted is counter-press. Both your CMs and both your FBs are going to be out of position when you lose the ball. You want them to get back into position. That does not mean you have to regroup, but you do not want the two CMs to get caught in a counter press, it will leave you so undermanned in the middle. And thus ultra vulnerable to counter attacks. I'd use a directed press - by which I mean set up the press for the players you want to press using PIs (or OIs to target areas of the pitch). I would not counter press from this set of roles though.
You are also going to be so vulnerable to long balls towards the flanks here. Especially against good two striker pairings. The FBs are going to be far out of position if you lose the ball, and it will take them time to get back into position (and counter-press may also hurt them trying to do this). That will stress your CBs massively, and relies on them being very good (and the DMC being excellent defensively also). Couple this with a high defensive line and attacking mentality, you are now asking teams to counter attack you. Far more than before. The attacking mentality is something I use situationally against weaker teams to break them down. It is not something I use as a default. And if I score I change it immediately. You are also now extremely narrow. Only one player offers any width at all. This will make it harder to break sides down. I think you need a rethink on what you want to do with the ball, and then make sure this is not too vulnerable to counter attacks.
Hi. I have tried what you are suggesting, I took off counter-press and just asked the front three to press... it didn't work (results wise anyway). Without counter-pressing, their defenders and deep lying midfielders seemed to have all the time in the world to pick a pass and work their way to goal. It makes sense what you are saying and someone has already recomended it... so I tried it. Maybe there is another part of the tactic that I didn't change that had a detrmental effect, but it is hard to understand all the effects these changes have on each other (well I find it hard anyway).
In relation to what I posted, I think all I have changed in the last couple of games is the line of engagement and defensive line... I am sure (it was late last night...) I have dropped them both to Standard, but left Counter-press on...
What you are also saying is that Rashidi's tactics that are very similar to this, shouldn't be working for him? This is what confuses a lot of people. One opinion says it looks fine, the other says it is destined for failure. Who is right?? By the way, I am not saying you are wrong, as again it makes some sense as I said above.
On counterpressing in general... is there a formation and set of roles that actually works then? The default settings for Geggenpress are similar to what I have above I believe... so is that wrong? If so, why do SI set it up like that? I am even more confused I think than before
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Two more games, two more defeats. I cannot believe how bad the defending is... the goals the AI score, it's either my defenders just backing off (into our own penalty are) giving them all the time in the world to score, a corner, or a switch of play were my FB seems to just wonder off and again, giving their players the freedom of London to score...
Is there anyway of showing the goals on here, without having to show the whole game? You need to see it to believe it. Also... why... why I am not getting any results, when you guys have helped and agreed on the formation and tactics looking much better?
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8 hours ago, sovy666 said:
This has been quite an eye opener... I have changed some of my set-up to match this, but it has made me realise what a short and poor team we are being able to defend set-pieces...
Is there something similar for attacking set-pieces?
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23 hours ago, Rashidi said:
The halfback would have given you an aggressive defence, he could also leave you vulnerable if he ends up too far away. I tend to favour HBs and BWM when i want more aggressive coverage.The DLP/AP combination, helps keep the ball and allows you to work the ball. Defensively you could also notice that he is closer to your backline but not nearly as aggressive as the HB. Its very similar to a system I am using for FM20 and should do well. The DLP could easily be changed to a DM without too much loss.
For some games you could drop your defensive line to Standard if you feel that your attacks are committing too many players. Other than that there is nothing wrong with it, it looks almost similar to something I am using with just a few different roles. If you want more goals to come from the striker consider changing him to a DLF(A), then you have a role who will drop deep and still bust a gut to get inside the box, where he could be a twin terror along with the IF(A) should the IWB or the AP get a chance to do a cross or diagonal.Well as I have previously mentioned, this still isn't working.
There is something I am missing, which for whatever reason, I am not seeing. For you, the legend himself, to say there doesn't look anything wrong, felt awesome, it felt like I was getting it, even though I was making some silly mistakes previously...
But the tactic still isn't getting results. I have just replayed the same game 5 times... lost three times, drawn twice. Same pattern every time. We take the lead, we look dominant, then we concede. 3 of the goals were from outside the area, their player, with all the time in the world. One was a penalty, one was a mix up between goalkeeper and full back, another was the same full back just headed to their striker and said 'there you go mate, knock yourself out', one was a last minute corner... I am constantly fighting back to get in the lead, to then just have it taken away from me. Twice we have lost in the last minute of the game.
Not once, in all those instances have I won or defended properly. So again... there is something seriously wrong, I cannot be as close as I think (or as anyone else thinks).
I just don't get it anymore.
I have attached a couple of the games, if anyone can be bothered to watch and help. If not, don't worry.
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Why so inconsistent... really awful results against teams down the bottom
The dressing room atmosphere isn’t great, has been poor since the start as everybody wants to leave. A lot of key players have the ‘unhappy status’, does this have much of an impact in reality?
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Don’t know if this is an issue on FM20 (someone has said it is but I have proof) but my centre backs keep taking thrown ins instead of my full backs. I have set just my full backs to take them and one of them is always on the pitch... makes no sense
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So since we all agreed this tactic looks good and has brought about a few wins... I have now lost 3 on the trot... all the teams are in the lower half of the league.
I really don't get it. The complete opposite is now happening, to what I was watching before. No movement, no attacking flair, no quick inter play (on a side note, the IWB now is having no impact whatsoever, the complete extreme of a few games ago). We make stupid mistakes at the back, which weren't happening.
We have gone from the Swansea game down hill to looking like the Stoke game every week..
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Quickfire Questions and Answers Thread (Tactic and Training Questions Only)
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Last time, no. As I have tried in the past and that didn't work either. I had created a tactic the same postionaly/formation wise as my starting one, but more reserved, ie. balanced mentality, counter press was turned off, slightly slower tempo etc.
I honestly feel like the game is stuck in a loop at the moment. Even in the championship, I am creating 2/3xG every game, and drawing or losing, missing penalties, I am just stuck in a rut with this save.