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Nevermind "will you buy FM23", how about asking "are SI gonna release an FM23?"
How has it got to the end of August without a single bit of information being released about this seasons game? To me its weird that the game comes out in November (3 months in to the season) but due to bugs won't become really playable until December/ January (+4months in to the season).
Like I said before, it'd make sense for SI to stick with the latest build of the match engine and commit to it for a cycle of 2 or 3 releases rather fiddling with it every new game. I imagine a scenario where FM23 and FM24 would come out with a lot of small tweaks beside the current ME, making it fully playable from day one. Then when it comes to FM25 they reveal a whole new ME that they've developed and perfected over 3 years.
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On 23/08/2022 at 18:35, Nonlondoner said:
Yes, I've been hooked since CM1 and maybe barring a few early CM updates I've played every version. The big step up was the 3D games, specifically when crowds arrived and I do genuinely feel that overall the game has improved year-on-year. My biggest problem is the new font and colour scheme is too loud, busy and the font is not intuitive. I only use some of the more sober reskins. The year-on-year improvements have outweighed any negatives and most of those are cleared-up in the next version.
It does surprise me, in my opinion of course, that SI haven't made one of those decisions that games developers often make that ruins the game. So far SI have evolved the game so well that FM22 provides as much excitement than CM1 did.My first game was CM 3 / 99/01 so I wil agree with you that there have been some massive improvements in the game over the years but to me the most recent editions haven't done enough to keep me interested.
For a while I've been of the opinion that FM should come out as a data update every other year rather than being sold as a new game each time. The new features or updates on existing ones are starting to scrape the barrel a little, which is why I think SI feel the need to claim they've tweaked the match engine every season - this then leads to the match engine being broken upon release, making the game either unplayable or unenjoyable until after Christmas.
I found FM22s list of headline features to be extremely weak. Claiming reskins to existing data screens (the data hub) and updates to deadline day and interactions with staff (which everyone skipped anyway) as features was just laughable. For me to buy the next game I'd be hoping to see some big gameplay improvements but I'm not holding my breath.
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I was thinking of getting a relatively cheap (£400ish) laptop for work and FM on-the-go. 2D match view so graphics aren't an issue. Seen these two;
https://www.box.co.uk/82KD008NUK-Lenovo-V15-G2-Ryzen-5-8GB-RAM-256GB-SSD-_3855619.html
https://www.box.co.uk/82KD0007UK-Lenovo-V15-G2_3614139.html
I had my eye on the first one with the R5 5500u then spotted the second, with a R7 5700u. First time I've seen this CPU at the kind of price so just wondered if there would be any noticeable difference between the two.
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Posting this for a friend. He's looking at upgrading his clapped out 10 year old laptop and I'm trying to advise him on what to get considering he only wants to spend around £400 (possibly £500 at a push if the payments can be spread out). He's got very little knowledge of computers I dont want him to go and waste money on some overpriced chromebook that will struggle to run anything
This is the laptop I've suggested based on him playing lots of leagues, only really using 2D graphics and not using it for any other games.
https://www.box.co.uk/M513UA-BQ003T-ASUS-VivoBook-15-AMD-Ryzen-5-8GB-RAM-512_3602781.html
There is a second option I've linked below, but I thought the CPU and the bigger SSD would be worth the extra £50.
https://www.box.co.uk/X515EA-BQ170T-ASUS-VivoBook-15-Intel-Core-i5-8GB-RAM-2_3813204.html
So I wanted to ask if these are good options for the price point or if there are better laptops out there. And if I'm recommending the best of the the 2 laptops I've linked?
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I just had the same thing. Progressed to the 'submit team' screen but decided to back up to change a few things. Then when I clicked or pressed the space bar to continue it just stays on the main 'inbox' screen. I am also managing an U21 international side.
A way around it without reloading is to go to the 'forward' arrow at the top of the screen, but if you've gone through multiple screens since backing up the page to submit your side will no longer be there.
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5 hours ago, ZOXEXIVO said:
I understand your good intentions, but in fact it is useless work, which will be useless every year.
All such measures should come from the developers of special units who are engaged in measuring bottlenecks in the game and optimizing them.They have access to the code and can see slow and weak points in the game on the graphs. The game should fully utilize all your harware.
Apparently, the current FM release cycle does not allow time for optimization and the developers are only busy creating and editing new features.
In fact, managers and developers have created a free workforce for themselves that does not need to be paid.(A) If one person avoids buying a crappy computer after looking at some of the benchmarks on here then to me that proves it's not a useless excercise.
(B) I get your point about the release cycle, that's the problem with a sports game as they're always going to be tied to the start of a new football season starting. I think FM and FIFA could benefit in the long run if every now and then they came out with an update rather than a full blown game.
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4 minutes ago, Brother Ben said:
You've said exactly what I wanted to, this is just a good tool for us to see how the game fares on various systems. My laptop & desktop are both 4th gen Intel and with the results here I can make an informed choice about an upgrade
Any time I get asked if a PC/ Laptop is good for FM I send them a link to the benchmark of buyers guide threads on here. I think the recommended specs that get listed everywhere are just to vague if you don't know much about computers, so why not have something that'll give you an idea of how fast (or slow) a new machine/ parts upgrade will make the game run. It can only be a positive.
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36 minutes ago, ZOXEXIVO said:
Type: Desktop
CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 9 3950X
CPU Base Frequency: 3.5GHz
CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.7GHz
RAM: 32GB Trident
RAM Clockspeed: 3200MHz
GPU: ASUS Radeon 5700XT
Storage Type: NVME
OS: Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Benchmark A: 1 minute 53 seconds
Benchmark B: 8 minutes 31 seconds
Benchmark C: 9 minutes 57 seconds
It's a shame to see results like this
In 2021, a game that can potentially be parallelized to all cores almost does not use them.
Apparently, everything is bad in the code and it won't be possible to fix it for a long time.These attempts to measure the speed look pathetic, because this is the task of developers, not users.
What do you mean "It's a shame to see results like this" ? Your own results or other peoples benchmark times?
I wouldn't say everything is bad in the code as this game seems to run faster than the previous versions and neither would I say it's pathetic that people would go through the effort to do these benchmarks. They're a tool for anyone looking to buy the game or upgrade their system - comparing our results for example, your CPU cost 3 times what mine does but your results aren't 3 times better
The problem with PC gaming is that almost every PC is different. The game would never get released if SI were to optimise it for every machine that is out there.
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Type: PC
Model: Custom made - STRIX B450-F Gaminig with AIO
CPU Model: Ryzen 5 3600
CPU Base Frequency: 3.6 GHz
CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.2 GHz
RAM: 32GB
RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz
GPU: Zotac GeForce RTX 2060 6GB
Graphics Level in 3D: 5 stars, everything set High/ Very high
Storage Type: M.2 SSD (Western Digital)
Benchmark A: 2 min 2 sec
Benchmark B: 9 min on the nose
Benchmark C: 11 min 58 sec
Benchmark D: 26 min 5 sec
Pretty happy with these results compared with those posted so far. The CPU temp did get insanely high for Benchmark D but when first putting my PC together the fans used to ramp up and down a little too much so I might've set their threasholds a little too high. In regular game play there is no issue and I do tend to load up a lot of leagues (in FM20 I had the whole of Europe loaded in)
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17 hours ago, Dean Gripton said:
Thanks for your post, matt_forest.
The new release contains the updated data for all clubs, including Forest.
Hefele and Clough are in the Reserve Team if Hughton is the manager (specifically set up to not be preferred by him, in extra code). At the same time, they are both set in the database to specifically be reserve team players, so if that hasn't worked, then it's a bug, I'm afraid. We'll look into it, because everything I have inputted to the data would put them in the reserve team. All our soak tests realise than neither player will be a significant part of the squad during the season in the game, as you would expect under current circumstances.
That said, nobody is being kept out of the first team squad to cater for them, so maybe they are being bumped into that first-team lists on startup due to squad size, though (as mentioned) that appears to be an issue that I shall check up on.
I would challenge your statement that those other players have not changed. Johnson, Mighten, Richardson, Yates, Worrall and yes, even Lolley (whose profile isn't altered much, I admit, but then, he's 'exposed' in racing parlance) are rated higher now in FM2021 than they were in FM2020.1.0. I have just checked the database to confirm that.
Dawson's CA was dropped from FM2020.1.0. The drop wasn't much, but his overall ability has been dropped.
On reflection, maybe we were too generous with our revised Forest ratings, perhaps?14 hours ago, robterrace said:Right.
Where do I start.
This post is symptomatic of a problem, not just with Forest fans, but, perhaps football fans in general. The expectation that, if something does not live up to a persons expectations, then, it makes it impossible to use. I'm not saying you aren't entitled to your opinion, but, its just something that I've seen in recent years across all forums and Forest is no different
I go through every player in the Forest squad and DB every research window (something which has been made easier for us this time round with improvements on how we access the database).
Worrall, the choice was made not to increase certain attributes this summer, as the only interest that has been shown in him, has been from Burnley. There has been no concrete interest from other Premier League clubs, despite the way he has played. I've run through several seasons on the Beta, and he does end up playing Premier League football, and even, some times, at Forest.
Figueiredo having a higher CA than Worrall doesn't really matter, hes older, so, the likelihood of him achieving that becomes less. It doesn't mean I don't rate Worrall, I do, but, I have to look at things figuratively from all areas, and across the division. The rating for him at RB hasn't been added, as, according to my records, he has played there twice, and both times, he ended up moving back into the centre of defence. He prefers to play on the right side of a defensive partnership, and that has been reflected.
Samba, I have to take into account other goalkeepers in the division. According to his CA, he is better than all but 2 or 3 goalkeepers who were in the division last season, and, those 3 goalkeepers were from teams who finished above us. That is something, that despite our fans loving Brice, you can agree with. Yes, he won goalkeeper of the season for the Championship, and, is probably our best goalkeeper for many years (I'd say Mark Crossley was probably our best since the European Cup days, but, thats just me). His handling, yes, it may be a strength, but, how many times has he let the simple shot or cross drop, and concede or make a mistake as a result?
You remark about Ioannou. Up until a short time ago, he was in the Cypriot research teams control. I gave him a precursory going over before deciding on things. His crossing is definitely something that will get looked at, but, again, its something I'll look at along with everything else he has done for us, and objectively change it.
As for Samba Sow. He played (when fit), 1870 minutes for Forest last season, spread across 26 games, which works out at 71.9 (lets call it 72 minutes a game). Of those, he made it the full length of a game 9 times, to the 75th minute 3 times, and past the 80th minute twice. So, on 14 of those occasions, he played 1261 of the minutes in total (sometimes, being on the pitch for 100 minutes altogether). I would say, when fit, Samba is a guy that could definitely last 80-90 minutes, which, for someone who plays the role and style he does, is about right, however, take into account his injury proneness (which, I won't share here), that is something that will more than come into play throughout the course of the season.
Other than that, I'm floating around the forums most days at the moment (being self employed and not working at the moment has its bonuses), so, feel free to contact me on here if you need to talk about anything I've put.
Thanks for the replies.
I guess it makes sense if you're changing the PA/ CA of a player over making wholesale changes to their starting attributes. I had thought it would be a bit of a comination of the regular and hidden stats that get tweaked but looking around different clubs in the game I'm not seeing any players that have had any big changes. As for the hidden stats, I try to avoid looking at them as I think it can spoil the game so I didn't want to go in to the editor to find out how the new ones compare.
Anyway, thanks for the hard work
Time to get an unemployed/ lower league game set up with the Forest job as the ultimate target (when we'll be back in League One and all of these mentioned players will be long gone)
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Maybe it's not a bug but I wanted to point something out with the Forest squad.
It was mentioned in the 'Championship Data issues' forum for the BETA (which I can't seem to reply to now) that there was an issue with Worrall being in the U-23s, whilst Hefele and Clough shouldn't be in the first team squad. Now the full game is out Worrall has been moved but the other two are still in the main team. That's not a major issue to me but in the previous forum @Dean Gripton said the following;
QuoteYou're looking at a Forest data file that is old, because you are looking at the BETA. We've been working on the data in the last two weeks, and have now hard-coded Hefele and Clough to be in the u23s.
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Does the new, full release still contain the old Forest data? Or is this still the new data? I ask as I loaded up FM20 with the original 20.1.0 database to see how players stats had changed during the BETA and noticed that most of the players had identical stats. That continues in the full game.
Samba, Worrall, Yates and Lolley remain the same despite having a good season. Michael Dawson remains the same despite being 36 and having barely played since the start of the year. Youth players Mighten, Richardson, Johnson, Swann and Dekel are the same despite moving up a squad level or spending time out on loan.
The only changes I can see are minor ones to Jake Taylor whilst Finn Back has had improvements in several areas. I'm not saying "player X should have this attribute or that attribute boosted" but, aside from the new signings, you might as well be playing FM20 if you start out with Forest on this database
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13 hours ago, baileywardle14 said:
Derby player attributes are completely wrong. Players been massively downgraded attribute wise compared to last year when they. Main example being pace is a lot slower than a year ago.
also Max Bird is LEFT FOOTED. Not RIGHT
Which players have been downgraded for Derby then? I've loaded up FM20 with the original database and comparing it to the Beta I see that Sibley, Buchanan, Knight and Bird have all had their attributes improved. Bielik, Evans, Holmes, Lawrence, Waghorn and Davies stats have not changed whilst Shinnie's have gone up a little. So I don't see any kind of downgrade for them.
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1 minute ago, metal_guitarist said:
There will have been numerous changes to the database at this point although data is still not final. If there are issues then please head here and raise them, albeit in a constructive manner rather than "I think attribute x needs to be 20 just because" etc:
Yeah I'm not kicking off that I think "player X is under/over rated", it's just putting the games side by side I see there was zero change for any of my players. Maybe every beta has been like that but I'd not noticed in the past
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Are player stats not updated until the full game is released? Playing as Forest I've noticed that each players attributes are exactly the same as they would be if I fired up a new save on FM20
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1 minute ago, Dagenham_Dave said:
Can someone who knows about these things explain this to me please?
Low XG to high XG is colour coded at the bottom, from dark purple to pink. A large number of the shots on the pitch show as white which isn't a colour referenced at the bottom? I'm clearly missing something.
xG is a load of made up guff so I expected it to make no sense in FM as it makes no sense in the real world. I don't expect I'll pay much attention to it in FM as I've just won a match 4-2 with 2 cracking goals and 2 tap ins but finished it with an xG of less than 1
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6 minutes ago, OlivierL said:
Well u can see the body language below , but u have to know what each colored face mean
You'll have to have a tab open on your computer with a list of what faces mean which body language/ response for the players.
EDIT - you can pull up the Touchline Tablet and then select then select body language in the right column. But doign that covers up the entire pitch
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4 minutes ago, Nick_CB said:
These emoticons are terrible (bad idea in my opinion), for a moment I think I'm playing Super Star Soccer
I can't un see that now. Blast from the past
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I'm liking the look of the game so far, biggest positive so far is that logo and kit packs from previous seasons still seem to work
One negative I can point out is the new layout of a player or staff members 'milestones' under their history tab. In previous games it was pretty much perfect - column on the left showing the clubs they'd been at and a column on the right showing anything they'd done. Now it shows almost no useful information without selecting the 'entire career' drop down. It's a little niggle but I found it useful to glance at when hiring new staff
Also, like many others are saying, there needs to be a light or a dark mode in the full game as the purple colour strains my eyes, as did the standard skin from the last game.
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5 minutes ago, BeadyRoller said:
On the players profile where it has the pitch and the positions he can play in, hover over one of them and it will tell you his side preference.
The problem I have with this is that I use the players attribute screen when navigating to each player. I've noticed the first time you select a player the 'position' pitch is large and you can hover over it to get the information, but if you click something elseaway and then return to that same page the pitch has shrunk and you can no longer hover over the players postion.
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5 minutes ago, kevhamster said:
Yes, it'll run FM just fine, and like the Athlon based one you linked previously does have good integrated graphics.
But do carefully consider what you're buying - I know you've said you have the credit note with them, but you could spend slightly more on that cash price on the one in PC Specialist (which also offers finance) and still have your £220 Littlewoods credit to spend on something else. I'm assuming you mean £220 in pure cash credit rather than via a credit facility that you need to repay.
[b]If the £220 you're alluding to is a cash based credit you have, it does seem like a massive false economy to use it on a computer which is almost £200 more expensive than a virtually identially specced one from somewhere else.[/b]
I'm assuming the credit is from returning something previously bought from Littlewoods so if it were me I'd be thinking of that £220 as cash in my pocket. So buying either of those PC's isn't really at any sort of discount
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2 minutes ago, zep81 said:
Could i ask, a computer i linked -
as i only be using it for FM and for browsing the net mainly, would it do a good job at running some FM at a decent level? Thank you.
I think that should be okay but not sure if it's a massive improvement over the other one you'd linked to. I think both would play FM to a decent standard depending on the number of leagues. For just general use both would be more than good enough.- I built my brother a cheap computer with a Ryzen 3 3200g and it's worked fine for them, never used a 3400g so I can't say if it's worth the £50 extra. Comparing them I'd say maybe not.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/AMD-Ryzen-3-3200G-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-3400G/3497vs3498
Does the PC have to come from Littlewoods? I've seen a similarly spec'd one here that is cheaper with an SSD and faster RAM https://www.box.co.uk/Cube-Gauntlet-Mini_2962430.html?config=2335908,2472017,2647984,2725846,2920628
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1 hour ago, gunner86 said:
I don’t think the recruitment meetings (if they work properly) can really be described as cosmetic. And while some don’t agree I think the way they’ve overhauled the interactions is really just cosmetic either. The only thing that is is the end of season stuff, but that’s all good QoL stuff.
Match engine is worked on separately and we’re yet to really see what’s been done, that will have improvements, as it does every year, but again, in my personal opinion wasn’t that bad last year. The ME is worked on a different team from the other areas from the rest of the game, so it will never be one or the other.
Yeah those meetings are why I said 'mostly' cosmetic. They do sound interesting and I'd like to see how they work in the game. As for the interactions, from the videos I've seen it does appear that some of the replies are the same but are laid out differently on the screen.
1 hour ago, stevemc said:Newgen faces are a much welcomed improvement on previous FMs, but what you cannot see from Miles’s cross section of 10 faces is the full variety on offer, currently despite being poor quality there’s also a lack of variety on faces, hair, beards etc. Would also be good to see 16 years olds without goatee’s etc, but we’ll see.
I was so fed up in FM20 with the faces that I downloaded Zealand’s real newgen faces which add a real face instead of the 3D one plus you can select the face you’d like on your newgen and honestly, it was a game changer, so if these are not fixed then I’ll use those again.
Does the game automatically assign faces to newgens with that or do they pop up as 3d models for you to then change afterwards?
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On 19/10/2020 at 22:49, zep81 said:
Ah thanks again. Just one more thing; Looking at this one too https://www.littlewoods.com/zoostorm-stormforce-onyx-amd-ryzen-3-3200g-8gb-ram-1tb-hard-drive-gaming-pc-black/1600403031.prd I can get it for £220 less than the price as I have credit with them. Will this be ok? I assume its W10 64 bit too as it doesn't say. I can't afford it all at once so why I'm going the finance route atm.
Dragging up an older post but had to reply to this one when I noticed you say you'll have to get it on finance.
Looking at the specs of that computer you could get the parts, or slightly better ones, individually for £300 max ;
Asus A320 motherboard, 350w PSU, 1 TB barracuda HDD, Coolermaster Q300L case and fan + 8GB Vengeance 3200Mhz (better than the 2666Mhz the pre-made comes with) = £195 from BOX. 0% interest for 4 months with Paypal Credit
Ryzen 3 3200 g = £81 from Currys or Amazon.
Windows = Free from Microsoft.
If building a computer isn't your thing then that's fine, but I hate to see 'budget' looking pre-mades like this that cost far more than the sum of their parts. You could have a better computer for less than half the price Littlewoods are selling that one for PLUS you'd still have the £220 credit leftover to spend on something else.
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1 hour ago, Armistice said:
The headline features have not convinced me to buy the game this year, unfortunately.
I mean obviously my expectations were lower due to the pandemic but how much does has that really changed the whole picture in terms of what SI could have delivered?
Almost everyone I know works remotely, including programmers, and for them not much was changed in terms of the work load.
I would've still got the game if it was just an update on FM but SI/ Miles set expectations high by saying this would be a full release regardless of Covid. These headline features are mostly cosmetic changes to things already in the game, when what people really wanted was the broken match engine to be fixed.
1 hour ago, kandersson said:More newgens shown on Miles' instagram stories. Faces definitely look improved, hairstyles still a bit weak though. Really miss Debski or OLT packs...
I think the ones Miles posted are worst than the ones from twitter. The German guy with blonde hair and a dark beard is identical to a face you'd get in FM20
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I was thinking of picking this one up as well, but then I took a look at the second i5 version they have listed for an extra £70
https://www.box.co.uk/82S90034UK-Lenovo-IdeaPad-Gaming-3-Intel-Core-i5-16_4338321.html
And then this one for the same price
https://www.box.co.uk/NBCBAP15716-3-Chillblast-Apollo-Intel-Core-i7-16GB-RAM_4404027.html
At the minute I'm leaning towards the £650 i5-12500H Lenovo but I'm wondering if the i7-12700H Chillblast is worth the same money with it having a 'better' (?) CPU but a worst GPU (I usually play 2D anyway)..... from a brand that I've never really heard of.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/4727vs4750vs4721/Intel-i5-12450H-vs-Intel-i5-12500H-vs-Intel-i7-12700H