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  1. To be honest, I prefer an IW to the W on the right, but I fear this might leave the 3 AMs and AF fighting for the same space. I'd rather have an IW with the overlapping WBa providing width. I then tend to go with FBs on the left for balance, but I wouldn't be adverse to a more aggressive role in this area if it were effective.
  2. Very true - although the issue to this point hasn't been so much giving something a try, more that I have an idea of how I'd like to play then I get stuck watching the AI play 1,001 passes in their own penalty area!
  3. Thank you for this - I totally appreciate you taking time to look into a game situation that you have no actual connection to! There's some really great observations here - especially around the way the team presses and their attributes - looking a bit more closely, determination and work rate aren't issues but aggression is fairly average across the board, which I guess could impact their ability to chase the ball down. In terms of formations and roles, my ideal setup would be a 4-2-3-1 with Havertz as AM (ideally APs) and Camisa as AFa, but I've found in the past that this completely nullifies the AML (but not the AMR, randomly) and despite being in his 'best' position and role, Havertz has zero involvement in games. If anything, he becomes mostly useful in this area in a defensive capacity, limiting the AI's ability to recycle possession through the DM. I'd also prefer to play a BWM in CM, especially in a 4-2-3-1 to a) provide Havertz more room in AM and b) be a bit more aggressive in the CM area, but I'm not sure either Camavinga or Rojas are either brave or aggressive enough for this role, unfortunately, so I'd probably end up playing Camavinga as a CMd and Rojas as CMs. Something like the attached. In an ideal world, I'd want the AML and AMR to tuck in and play almost like a front 3 with the AF, then the two FBs push up to support midfield, offer width allow for patient recycling of possession until an opportunity arises - but I'm conscious that having the RB on support might leave us a bit predictable in attack so I tend to go with him on an attack duty to fit in with the conventional wisdom around combing wide player roles and duties.
  4. The team is usually quite threatening with the limited possession it has, so more often that not we do enough to win games - hence being top of the league at this stage and having won a few trophies along the way. The issue for me isn't the results, it's the disconnect between the tactics being set up and how games actually pan out. I have tried different formations - especially 4-2-3-1 and I'd prefer to play that way as I think it should put Havertz and Camavinga in their best/most effective positions - but I've been using 4-3-3 like this because of the lack of possession, thinking this might help (it hasn't so far). I've occasionally switched to a 4-2-4 to throw the kitchen sink at sides late on and that's been occasionally successful but I wouldn't want to use it too often. Also, in a 4-2-3-1 Havertz was completely ineffective, so I've chosen to compromise with 4-3-3 to try and get him more involved. I don't feel wedded to 4-3-3 because I don't need the protection for my back four - they are never threatened by the eternal AI ping-pong. It's fine to suggest being more creative to find solutions, but at this point it very much feels like everything tried previously has made no difference but the team continues to win enough to meet objectives, so my involvement is unnecessary. If the team was struggling using my preferred tactics then the challenge would be to find solutions - however, it feels as though the aim is no longer to try and score and goals and win matches; instead it's finding the formula that makes matches more realistic and brings my involvement some value. I'm not looking for total possession domination or huge stats for the sake of it - I just want to get enough of the ball to make use of my most creative/effective players and play an attractive, front-foot style. Or, if I decide to go in a different direction and play a lower block, soak up pressure and counter attack, for that to be possible - but it feels a lot like whatever approach I choose is irrelevant if the AI goes for it's low-risk, high possession approach. More than happy to share some pkms as, despite my petulance, I do appreciate the input - here's a few of my recent games; the match with Mainz was the switch 'back to basics', where I selected a higher line of engagement and more urgent pressing with lower mentality in favour of a split block. Borussia Dortmund v VfB Stuttgart.pkm Borussia Dortmund v 1.FC Köln.pkm Fortuna Düsseldorf v Borussia Dortmund.pkm Borussia Dortmund v 1.FSV Mainz 05.pkm
  5. OK, last post for me here because I'm getting a bit tired of banging my head against this particularly brick wall. I went back to basics and switched to the preset 'Control Possession' playing style. Tweaked it slightly with PIs for full-backs to cross less and for AM L/R to sit narrower. My scout report said that they would play a Gegenpressing style, so I switched off Play Out from the Back and GK distribute to CBs/FBs in the hope that this might bypass the press. I left the mentality on balanced to try and encourage them out, switched it briefly to cautious when they started their possession game to see if we could keep it better then tried moving it to positive for the last 30 mins before going attacking for the last 10 mins. Only 3 of our 20 shots were from outside the area, so I don't think we're conceding possession too easily - our passing stats are decent, if unspectacular. With everything set like this, I'd expect to see my team have at least equal possession and probe for chances in their half - if anything, given the lack of attacking mentality/roles, we should be a bit toothless in attack and the challenge should be to work out how to break down a stubborn defence. Instead, we have three of their back four racking up over 95 passes despite being put under pressure high up the pitch. I'd also expect them to try and expose the weaknesses in my setup - such as the high line or the high press allowing passing options into midfield - which the user could then react to and seek solutions for, but every team that sets up to play cautiously has zero ambition to do this so games all follow this pattern. There may be a number of different workarounds/hacks to avoid this, but it's clear that this kind of approach from the AI is overpowered, which massively reduces enjoyment, for me at least.
  6. Just thought I'd leave these here to see if anyone can spot any obvious flaws in my tactics that either allow the AI to rack up 700+ passes (mainly in their own half) or make my own team incapable of keeping the ball. PIs: - front three close down more both full backs take fewer risks and cross less I'm fully expecting to be told that it's all down to my tactics, but I'm not sure a team that's ranked 14/18 for possession should really be top of the league by 8 points at halfway - something there isn't right.
  7. I didn't say that you did, so apologies for any misunderstanding. I made a couple of changes to make the play less direct, reduce the number of playmakers and try to complete more passes. Fortunately my seemingly long-ball, counter-attacking approach got me out of jail again with four goals in the first twenty minutes.
  8. I don't use plug'n'play tactics and I only try to make my tactics through sensible design, choices that feel logical to me and overall normal, but it still feels like trying to crack a code by making non-intuitive changes sometimes at random. So I respectfully disagree :-)
  9. Thanks - I've read through all the guides and threads on this and I typed out a long response as to why I don't really agree with the logic at play here, but don't want to turn this into a rant. Suffice to say, I think tactics are a bit like trying to crack a code and there's zero margin for error.
  10. I'm still really struggling this - I've read through all guides on possession with intent and numerous threads on ways to stop teams from dominating possession to kill games (even once they've gone behind). But I just can't solve it - see the images below for the latest examples. I guess it's just the way it is and we all just need to get one with it.
  11. I've been following this thread with interest for some ideas about how to combat the AI approach to nullifying games and partying like they're Spain 2009. Going into the final game of the season, we're second in the league and heavy favourites at home to Wolfsburg. I thought I'd experiment with some of the different options suggested here, so started on attacking mentality (to try and score early), standard LOE and higher DL, with PIs for the front three to close down more, OIs to mark their midfielders tightly (to close off the passing options) and close down three of their back four, hopefully forcing them to go through the left back at all times and reduce his options. After 30 minutes, that wasn't working so we switched to a positive mentality (to try and retain possession better but still be a threat in attack, as well as giving them a little more encouragement to leave their own penalty box); this was combined with a higher LOE and higher DL. And then this happened... (edited to delete accidental duplicate image upload) By the way - I only posted this really as I found it amusing; i'm not really looking for any fixes, guidance or tactical workarounds and this definitely isn't a 'fix the ME now!' rant!
  12. Well, having just finished the sixth season it seems like a good time to refresh and go again - I think I've ended up trying to create a tactic that's neither one thing or the other, so it's a good time to freshen up the squad (I have some money in the bank and a few players who I could do without) and then see what would be best with what I have, like it was a new game. You're right - Hummels is not quick, especially at 35 years - 10 for pace and 7 for acceleration - so it's time for him to step back. My other CBs are all much quicker so a higher line is still option, IMO. There's definitely other players in the squad that I'm probably asking the wrong things of so it's time to effectively start from scratch.
  13. I think this is my problem more than anything - I find it impossible to get all the different instruction options to work out the way I would like as they seem to counteract each other, so it ends up all being a bit nothing, which then makes it feel as though I could change anything and nothing would actually be different.
  14. Interestingly, these are all things that I've tried on different occasions - changing to a DLF saw my wide players dribble excessively to the byline and shoot from crazy tight angles into the side netting, presumably as they had no-one to pass to. Changing defensive distribution/play out of defence seemed to give my GK and defence a license to smash the ball up the field looking for Sancho to win a header. A standard width attack seems to make the AML and AMR play extremely wide and therefore out of range of short passing, and the split block seems to make my front players run round like headless chickens while the opposition rack up Spain-esque passing numbers in their own half (it's impressive really - even average-to-poor sides never, ever make mistakes in their passing).
  15. So, I'm increasingly of the opinion that tactics don't actually make any difference - for the final game of the season, we were home to Hoffenheim needing a draw to win the league. They're in the lower half but safe from relegation so have nothing to play for. They pitched up play 5-4-1 with a defensive mentality and, of course, proceeded to neutralise the game by racking up 400 passes in the first alone. We shaped up playing our usual 4-3-3, but Havertz was unavailable meaning Gio Reyna was needed to play as a Mezzala in CM. I tried to a standard LOE with a higher defensive line, slightly wider attack and a standard tempo but with attacking mentality to try and play the game in their half. As you can see, it was a disappointing outcome - they scored with their first shot - their first foray into our half, to be honest, and we missed a penalty, to ultimately lose 1-0 and finish second in the league to a really average Bayern side. I'm not as bitter as my opening line would indicate, just a bit confused - what could I have done differently here to avoid this outcome? I feel like I make logical changes to my side to get my best players in the positions to make the greatest effect, but it doesn't seem to have any effect, and ultimately most results feel like they are pre-determined.
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