[Overwhelmed by attributes]

Hi

I get overwhelmed when looking at a squad for the first time and how to pick the best players or decide a system.

if I’m looking at CBs for example I don’t know the difference between

CB 1 - 12 tackling 12 positioning 9 anticipation

CB 2 - 9 tackling 12 positioning 12 anticipation 

CB 3 - 12 tackling 9 positioning 12 anticipation 

same goes for midfielders and attackers.

I just see walls of numbers, often that only differ by 1-2 points and get overwhelmed.

Does anyone have a nice method for assessing a squad?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Overwhelmed by formation and role choices]

7 hours ago, Domus Clamantium said:

I don't know your squad but what struck me was the question of "what should be done about full backs who are not good defensively?"

My immediate reaction is that you should play 3 centre backs, 2 wing backs and either 3 midfielders and 2 strikers or 2 midfielders and 3 strikers(2 hybrids as wide men cutting in), and of those, I'd say using the wide forwards should be more beneficial to cover the flanks better, and you end up with a sort of 3-4-3 or 5-2-3 or 5-4-1, whichever way you want to look at it.

Based on your description I'd want one of the AML/R to be an advanced playmaker and the wingback on his side to be regularly overlapping. On the opposite flank, an inside forward. The centre forward would be on attack duty to give the AP(S) or even Trequartista and IF(S) space to operate and he would be the main source of goals. I don't think a target man works in this setup though. Pressing Forward or Poacher. With 2 wide attackers plus wingbacks creating and maybe getting into the box with a high enough mentality, Poacher should work better than  you'd think.

The centre mids would be relatively conservative, one holding and one runner. Something like CM(D) and BBM(S) would work.

Perhaps i’m being harsh but my RB bravery, positioning, marking concerns me

my left back is ok but poor concentration 

 

 

[Overwhelmed by formation and role choices]

13 hours ago, XuluBak said:

Can you share your midfielders?

Of course

Disrupter

Runner

Playmaker

[Overwhelmed by formation and role choices]

1 hour ago, Experienced Defender said:

Something like this for example (assuming the formation remains unchanged):

TMsu

 

IWat     DLPsu    CMat     WMsu

DMde

WBsu    CDde    CDde     (I)WBsu

SKde

The problem i have is my playmakers are all advanced, no deep players have the attributes.

So its almost like i need a formation that allows me to use role DM, AP and a TM OR AF

[Overwhelmed by formation and role choices]

50 minutes ago, XuluBak said:

Strongly agree re: that striker. He lacks the technical ability and mentals for it. I probably wouldn't play him as anything other than an AF or TM. 

After loading Bocham up, and considering their projection, I'd recommend a more progressive formation than 4141 flat until you achieve promotion. Your backline isn't great, but probably not as limiting as you're suggesting for 2. Bundesliga. Bocham's depth is more concerning, although, it looked like they have a few mids that could drop back well enough (again, for the 2 Bundesliga level). 

Apologies I should have said at the start i'm playing FM20 though you still may be correct.

How would you incorporate a TM or AF into a 4 -1-2-3 or 4-1-4-1?

32 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

 

Honestly, your previous setup (4411) looked better balanced in terms of roles and duties than this one, even though this formation (4141) is probably more suited to your players' qualities.

What changes do you suggest baring in mind the screenshots of my wide players and striker?

[Overwhelmed by formation and role choices]

5 minutes ago, XuluBak said:

Your midfield (strata) seems disproportionately aggressive relative to your formation. Exact recommendation are hard without knowing players or TI/PI, but in a vacuum...

I'd probably switch the IW to support, and make your LB more aggressive and RB less aggressive. 

My thinking was how do I get support up quickly to a lone striker.

I'll screenshot my striker and 2 wide players:

[Overwhelmed by formation and role choices]

18 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:

 

This setup is well-balanced in and of itself, but as I already said - given your defensively poor fullbacks, playing without a DM may prove too risky from a defensive standpoint. Plus, your CBs are technically weak as well, so having someone closer to them - i.e. the DM - could be also helpful as a passing option when needed.  

 

4 hours ago, DarJ said:

 

So you've picked roles for your defenders, midfielders and striker and you're left with your wide men; for me they will have to support the midfield and striker so maybe on the flank where I have the creative midfielder, I'll go with an Inverted winger or any other creative support role and on the other flank I may go with any other attack role that way we build play on one side and attack at the other side.

Thanks both - does something like this look well thought out?

 

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32 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:

For which style? 

 

Sorry I forgot to address this - I assumed SK would suit a play out the back style but my CBs aren't particular skilled though my FBs are

[Overwhelmed by formation and role choices]

Ok if my full backs are bad positionally but I could do with someone in the AMC strata then would this 4-4-1-1 (i.e. wide players dropping back to cover defenders) seem balanced?

[Overwhelmed by formation and role choices]

Hi 

I've started as Bochum in Bundesliga 2 and I find tactics quite overwhelming in terms of choosing a formation and roles, particularly midfield and forward roles. 

Media prediction is 5th so I feel like I should play a relatively positive brand of football.

Given I'm in the second tier I'm going to say 13 + is a good attribute and 11/12 is average.

My assistant thinks I should play 4-2-3-1 but is he right?

Goalkeeper
Has good attributes to be a sweeper keeper, but is my defense good enough for this style?

Central Defenders
The 2 best ones don't seem good enough to play out the back,but seem good defensively. But see the full backs below…
A combination of poor bravery, aggression, strength means I have no other good centre backs so this should be a 4 man defence.

Full backs
Both poor positionally, right back especially bad defensive stats. But both very good on the ball.

How do I mitigate my poor defensive fullbacks but make the most of their ability on the ball?

Central Midfielders who can defend

2 x midfielders who have the mentals and technical to defend, but nothing special on the ball – game describes them as defensive midfielders/BWM

Central Midfields who will run
1x midfielder who has ok defensive stats but also good off the ball and creative stats – game describes him as box to box

Central Midfielders who can pass but won’ t tackle

2 x AMC –excellent OTB and creatives -  poor tackling, bravery, strength, balance i.e won’t defend. Not especially good dribblers/quick runners
1 is a KEY PLAYER

Wide players

This is where I get really confused – many of my wide players could be described as playmakers as well as wingers, in that they can pass, cross, dribble. I never know whether I’m supposed to be choosing an inside forward, a winger, an advanced playmaker out wide…

Strikers

An ok poacher type

A slow creative striker that would drop off but can finish

KEY PLAYER - A fast targetman type striker strong and excellent in the air - ok finishing 

A quick advanced stiker type with ok finishing

My question is what formation do I choose? – 4-2-3-1 is the recommended.

And how do you decide the roles your wide men should play when these days wide men are generically good on the ball rather than fast dribbling/crossing wingers?

And how does this affect the role you choose for your striker? 
 

 

[[FM 20.4.1] • • • MiNiMaL_FuSS - FuSSfilment 2.0.1 || 4-1-2-2-1 • • •]

Hi @FuSS - just thought you’d be interested to know I removed all the TIs for my Huddersfield side predicted 10th.

i just used the roles and duties and changed mentality depending on the opposition (plus occasionally dropping d line when using POSITIVE)

I’ve played 13 games, won 10, drawn 2 lost 1.

So at least for my side it works without any TIs or PIs!

thanks for a great tactic.

 

 

[4-2-3-1 Huddersfield]

34 minutes ago, summatsupeer said:

Your line of thought with the forward being on support because your AP is on attack isn't really a reason.  Playmakers always play deeper than there duty suggests so they can go collect the ball.  If the AMC was a SS-At or AM-At it would be very different.  Not saying you should change your AMC or ST, just pointing out that isn't really a reason, i'd consider what the wide forwards are doing as well when deciding what the ST should do.

 

Thank you for your reply.

Ok if I think about what I want my players to do

I want my left winger to be a goal threat, he’s my best striker. I have to bare in mind he cuts inside.

I want my striker to use his strength and aerial ability, not necessarily score goals. I want him to be an outlet

My playmaker has got good vision, touch, dribbling - he’s good in tight areas. So I think behind the striker.

My right winger I want to provide width, I want him to act like a winger.

I want my left back to be involved in attacks

i want my right back to be more risk averse as that is what he does in real life 

my cm pair aren’t fantastic on the ball, but they have great aggression, work rate, tackling. My cmD likes to keep it simple so i’m relying on the BBm to keep things ticking.

My cbs are not good enough to play a high line. 

So I think 4-2-3-1 needs to go.

If I consider a 4-4-1-1:

Left wing back support

right full back support

Cb

cb

Left IW att

Right Winger support

cmD

BBm S

Ap ?

Striker?

Are you suggesting that one of these needs to drift to the right to provide support given the conservative right back?

[4-2-3-1 Huddersfield]

28 minutes ago, Justified said:

The key questions are a) How do you want to play? and b) Do you think Huddersfield can play a top heavy formation like 4231? Personally I never play 4231 as I think it just has too many gaps everywhere (behind and beside the two in midfield, between the wingers and fullbacks. It takes great players to actually play that formation). I much prefer the 4411. Only reason I bring that up is because I think the 4411 gets neglected quite a lot because it simply looks boring  It's quite the opposite. I'd go as far as saying a 4411 can do a much better job then 4231 if set up correctly.

If it's because you want to play an IFat then go 4123 instead because it's much more stable in defence and gives you a deeper pivot in attack to recycle.

Thanks for your reply - I’d happily play 4-4-1-1

A couple of queries:

1. My playmakers are AMCs rather than deeper players. Is it still possible to progress the ball without deeper playmakers in a 4-4-1-1?

2. My wider players are AML/AMR rather than than MR/ML - presumably due to low tackling/positioning/bravery etc - will they suffer playing ‘out of position’ as the game seems it?

[4-2-3-1 Huddersfield]

Hi

I’d appreciate advice on the following tactic:

My theory is:

Rb - fbs- has ppm stays back all times so best as fb support

Lb - wb att- one of my best att players with the desire to track back too - overlap the IF

cmD -  need cover here with two att duties on the left

bbm S - needs to provide support up front but also cover as a 2 man midfield

AP A - my most creative player, att duty as striker is support duty

IF att - my best striker with good dribbling and ppm cuts inside

Winger support - need to keep some width if my right back is staying back

DLF supp - big and strong so there to hold up the ball - the game also says he is a good complete forward or target man

Team instructions

- I vary mentality - on this occasion due to play qpr who play 4-2-3-1 positive so I opted for balanced as the away team to be more defensive

- I presume their fbs will double up with the wingers so I chose defend wider on this occasion but situational

- short gk kicks to try not waste possession - have this most games

Opposition instructions

Again they vary but on this occasion I tightly marked and pressed full backs

also showed left winger the outside and right winger the inside (so both were on their weaker foot)

Highlights of the game below if it helps assess my tactic generally - result doesn’t matter but they won 1-0 in the 88 min after switching to very attacking

Thank you

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Hi

can you change attribute colours on touch and if not is there a skin that will allow it?

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And I don't care what the pc brigade says and what their excuses are about word meaning is correct by usage and all this postmodernist bollocks,

What are you on about 

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Hi all

Is there a downside to using role AND individual focus training?

Or should I just be choosing one/alternating?

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Not t and t related but doesn't require a new thread in GD. 

Do mutual termination fees for staff come out of your transfer budget?

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2 hours ago, Fosse said:

My second team, nice 

Eisfeld and Saglam are brilliant midfield creators for the 2. Bundesliga

Admittedly I'm awful at FM, but I struggle to get the best out of Eisfield.

Great technical skills but the lack of balance or bravery seem to hold him back. He rarely gets over 7 rating. 

Should say I'm playing FM16 and I'm poor at tactics.

Offtopic: I play 5-a-side with friends once a week and you're either red or blue team. I've enjoyed  being Bochum so much I've ordered the home and away kits - I'm 28 years old 

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Thanks Fosse.

I'm Bochum so I'll go with 12.

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Hi

Does anyone know what a 'good' attribute number is for Bundesliga 2?

I am playing FM16 so don't have the fancy bars on the comparison page like FM17.

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So you're saying it only moves the back line up, not the whole team?

In that case why do people recommend dropping D line to break down defensive teams, this won't have any effect if it's just your defenders moving further back.

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Hi

Stupid question here (obviously)...

Does changing the D line higher or lower move your whole team up and down the pitch or just your back line?

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What is the difference between anticipation and positioning?

And If I can't afford a player with good attributes in both, which should take a priority for which positions?