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I had this conversation years back and then the conclusion was that the ONLY way for the game knows how to indicate your tactic isnt working is to simply stop you from scoring. This seems still be the case. Because to me it looks like we are playing quite well... Until you look the final score.
Here's 3 concecutive losses of mine:
RESULT 2-1 (Got a red '80 and lost to a last minute goal) - This is actually fine
RESULT 2-4
RESULT 5-3 (one of my goals is a pen)
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Honestly I feel the first build/version of the match engine has been like this for few years. Doesnt matter what kind of Shut Up Shop tactic you use the opposition comeback inevitable. Frankly the first build/version of the match engine is utter BS. At least this year and last year.
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15 hours ago, knap said:
I would also say mentality changes can help control games
Yes of course. I do make changes in matches. Still... cautious mentality has brought the best results even against weaker opponents. 🤔 Last year positive was generally the best in my experience. My
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2 hours ago, knap said:
The only test carried t a few years ago, showed that you get better results with same team and tactics with low reputation compared to high reputation.
The assumption is the AI play more defensively against a high rep team which explains the results.
Missing chances is difficult to explain but could be related to player management. A way to test is to take over with a new manager and see if the same issues arise.
Just a bit worried about going to next season with this current tactic (ME23.V2HGFKnapBALSP451MEZP110ECCC).
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Not a specific tactical question but... How's it possible that a tactic is working in Champions League but not in the League. I've crushed Arsenal, Inter and Machester United in the knockout phase and made it to the final but cant get a win in Ligue 1. 6 games without a win. Playing as Nancy-Lorraine 10th season. Been using ME23.V2HGFKnapBALSP451MEZP110ECCC. Sort of did go mental with the fines and team talks but shouldnt that effect every match not just League matches. I've literally stopped scoring in the League no matter what the xG!
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Unable to get any consistency with any of these tactics playing with an underdog team (Nancy, currently 10th in 2nd season in Ligue 1). Granted still overacheiving a bit but inconsistency is killing my blood pressure. Changing mentality seemed to help at one point but then that went out of the window.
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Using FM20.4.1PreachinBluesKnap451VOL5P109ALLCUPS. Are you suppose to have a barely a 40% possession even against poor teams with 160-170 CA team?
And is this game just about wingers? I'm hard pressed to find any tactics that doesnt use wide attacking players in a winger role.
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!FM20.2.4SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipP103FACC
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On 05/03/2020 at 20:46, kandersson said:
No changes in match engine.
That's BS (not from you but from SI)! I was on an 2 month unbeaten run (mostly wins) before the update now cant even win against the bottom of the table at home and we are 4 games winless. All the stats show that the tactic is clearly not working as well as it was before the update. Shots are way way off target and the crosses are blocked by the first man more often. And I'm in the start of the season so it isnt my usual mid-season slump.
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56 minutes ago, sidslayer said:
Have you considered that even though your tactic is dominating games, it is in fact, and the ME does a terrible job in this regard - because it makes you believe all is good, not particularly effective?
Then it's still the games fault and SI's job to fix it! Your point was also buried in my post. Why is it that the game is still unable to show your tactic's ineffectiveness any other way than to cut down the scoring.
If I cant base my assesment on the statistics that the game is giving me than what am I suppose to base it on? Do I just randomly start doing changes to the tactic without nothing to base those changes on?! How is the tacic not effective if I create 8 CCC's against the oppostions 1 and the end result is still 1-1. I watch the matches on compehensive highlights just because I want to get clear view on the chances and in my opinion most of the chances created are pretty solid.Also I dont make my own tactics and even if I did I wouldnt spend 6 seasons tinkering with it! Continuous tactic tinkering isnt why I play the game.
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I'm amazed that I have over 600 hours of playing time on a game that has brought me nothing but frustration 80-90% of the playing time. I personally hate the "it happens in real life football" excuse! This is a game and to me it's object is to have your team create (clear cut) chances (not shots!) and when I get most angry is when my team created double or triple the CCC's than the opposition the game ends in a draw or a loss. And this year this has happened contantly. I would gladly lose ALL the games in where I have created less chances than the opposition if it meant that I won most of the games that I do create more. I hate how SI only knows to cut out your scoring, not your chances. What does it matter if my team is expected to lose the game and we are the underdogs if we create more chances than the opposition! How is it my tactics fault when, again... we create tons of chances! Isnt that what the tactic is suppose to achieve?! And if my players CA is so poor how come we are creating so many chances?! I dont mind the occasional "unfair" point loss here or there but when it happens all the time it's really rage inducing. Also I've heard the "not all CCC's are really that good excuse" but the same goes other way for half-chances. Many of what the game cosiders half-chances are actually very good chances.
I'm with the OP and seriously on the edge of quitting the whole series after over 20+ years of playing because of this years edition. I dont even remember when I was this frustrated about FM! And this is from a guy that way back when had to buy really cheap mouses because they tended to fly across the room when playing FM. There has been so much more failure this year that I dont find any enjoyment in the few successes. Cant actually recall any of them right now to be honest. I just remember our last match which we lost due to a last minute goal even though we again created more chances. And that opposiotion goal came almost right after my player missed the clearest of clear cut chances.4 -
I've had a pretty great start with Bournemouth using tweaked FM20SympathyforthedevilKnapZaipLeipzig
Tweaks:
CWB's att to WB sup
LOE & DL from much higher to higher
Low Crosses to Whipped Crosses
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2 hours ago, Korf said:
this tactic is really a underdog tactic
I'm sorry but how is Leipzig an "underdog"? Maybe somewhat in real life but in the game It's one of the top teams in Bundesliga and has some amazing players.
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How does the game indicate to the player your tactic isnt working?
in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
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Well the problem is that nine times out of ten the opposiotion vastly "overscores" in relation to their xG and my team underperforms. I'm not talking about scripting. I'm talking about every statistic indicating that you should've won but don't. Yes I know this is built in feature because "the deserving team doesnt always in real life" but this is tired excuse for the game screwing you no matter what you do tactically.