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Here is the thing with xG, it is an informative guide. However, it is a guide only and not a definitive outcome. The game isn't bound by this in any way, just as real life football is not bound by it in any way. You can finish a match with an xG of 5 and score 0 in real life, you can finish a game with an xG of less than 1 and score a handful of goals.
You're conceding soft/poor goals in your games, that is all the numbers show. That's your failing as a manager.
There's no real reason to lock this thread from a moderating perspective, but for your own benefit really I just want to highlight that this particular issue has been reviewed and it has been flagged as information has been provided by SI. Which it has through the confirmation its not an issue. You're welcome to keep posting but unless you provide anything substantially different in material terms to what you have done previously then the position for SI is almost absolutely certain to remain unchanged.
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My point is my numbers show great performance from human managed goalkeepers. Therefore it's more likely that it's an issue with how you set up recruit players than the game.
Well it is an issue for you to address as the manager as its confirmed not to be an issue.
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Some stats that involved the number 1 and number 2 teams in my save when it comes to goalkeepers (both teams are human controlled as this is a network game):
Both of my goalkeepers are scoring positively on expected goals prevented there. Third placed Diogo Costa also belongs to a human manager as this is a network save. My first choice keeper got a prevented 7.72 in 29 games:
At a certain point if you keep experiencing the same pattern of conceding more than you'd expect, conceding soft goals then your team building and tactical approach leave something to be desired. This is why managers get sacked in football, despite the reasoning the manager provides it simply becomes unacceptable to let them continue and performing in such a manner.
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While I can't speak with certainty, due to the licensing arrangements it may not even be permissible for SI to implement further updates. They aren't able to sell FM23 any more due to licensing, any availability online is based on pre-existing keycodes. Given the nature of software development, sign-off from other parties etc (eg Xbox/Sony) it's often not possible to provide a specific date for future updates.
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The reason why these threads are getting closed is because they do not follow the guidelines of the Data & Research sticky posts at the top of each individual section:
QuoteWe also request you adhere to the following three point plan when posting in the data topics:
1. State what you think is specifically wrong with a particular piece of data.
2. State what you think the data should be.
3. State reasons/proof for your suggested corrections/improvements.I'm sorry that you're unhappy with the hundreds of hours of voluntary work the researchers put in. This thread isn't offering any chance to change anything however. You're demanding what already happened, players were reviewed and decisions were made. Should you have specific examples that follow the guidelines above then we welcome such posts.
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Feel free to share examples of individual players you feel are incorrect. This post is too vague to allow anyone to meaningfully investigate any potential data concerns.
Without specific examples then there's no scope for review, reflection and change. As this thread isn't offering that option to the research team, it shall now be closed but we welcome further posts which outline what you feel is incorrect, what it should be and why in regards to specific individuals/clubs.
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We welcome posts with specific examples of players you feel are incorrect, what the changes ought to be and why. This thread isn't offering any of that however. As a result the thread will be locked, but you are more than free to share threads on clubs/individuals within the game you feel are not correctly reflected.
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Firstly, it is worth highlighting on the whole that players transferring into a new league are rated by the researchers of their previous club, in the previous league. This would therefore not be the responsibility of the researchers within the Turkish team.
The approach to raising data issues is to outline what specifically you think is wrong and what it should be. With a reasoning as to why. Simply providing a PDF file isn't something the research team would look into.
This thread will be closed as its not providing anything meaningful with which the researchers can work with, but feel free to make posts in the future that allow our researchers to assess your points individually.
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If there are individual players for whom you feel the attributes are wrong you can make posts about those specific individuals and outline what is wrong, what you think it should be and why. This thread isn't offering the opportunity for the research team to make any meaningful changes to data moving forward so it shall be locked but we welcome further threads with specific details.
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A number of the points you raise are beyond the remit of the research team. If you're getting AI errors such as a goalkeeper playing as a forward, that is a bug the developers would need to investigate. Should you be experiencing any such issues in the early access for FM24 you can post these here: All Other Issues - Bug Tracker - Sports Interactive Community (sigames.com)
If aspects of leagues aren't working correctly, this would be something to share with the developers here: Competition, Rules and Scheduling Issues - Bug Tracker - Sports Interactive Community (sigames.com)
The Turkish research team, and no research team in general, are responsible for bug fixes. Should you feel there are issues with specific player/club data examples in the FM24 Early Access we welcome posts on these with a clear stating of what you feel is wrong, what it should be & why. As this thread isn't offering that to the researchers it will be closed.
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We would need to be provided with specific examples of players you feel are incorrect, what their attributes should be and why. These are the kind of discussions we need to help improve the data across all leagues/nations moving forward.
This thread will be closed at this point but any threads with specific examples of things any poster feels could be different are greatly appreciated.
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This thread will be closed, as its not offering anything for researchers to work with. However, I believe its very important to provide meaningful context about the research process.
I am the Stoke City researcher. Stoke City signed 17 players this summer, the majority of these players I have put trust in their previous club researchers to get them accurate. In most instances they're coming to a new league in which they're untested and I did not feel there was enough evidence yet to begin making substantial changes. This is a normal process, and has been during all my years as a researcher.Moving forward if there are specific players you feel are wrong please raise these individually and they will be assessed on their own merits.
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On 20/10/2023 at 10:49, stokie1863 said:
Some stuff I noticed for Stoke City
Staff
Ryan Cunningham - is a First Team Match Analyst: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-cunningham-286169168/
Mamady Sidibe - is a First Team Scout: https://www.linkedin.com/in/mamady-sidibe-3a2875105/
Conor Froud - is a First Team Recruitment Data Analyst: https://www.linkedin.com/in/conor-froud-9a93801b5/
Cunningham & Froud I can get added, thanks for those.
Has anything changed with Sidibe to be a first team scout? The original brief he was brought in under is several years old now, but it was the case that he was to help more of the youth set-up in terms of connections in France & Africa.
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Keep in mind the attributes aren't simple binaries in their nature. Other attributes go into influencing how players deploy those on the pitch, and the effectiveness of a players pace and acceleration broadly speaking is going to be a major consideration rather than scenario specific highs/lows.
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The pre-game editor, that comes free with the release of the game, is there for players to make whatever changes they feel are appropriate. In instances where you disagree with the researchers you can make your own changes for your own game. There's no guarantee that different people will ultimately agree on player attributes etc.
Researchers aren't paid either, we put in our time voluntarily to try and provide the most accurate representation of what we feel is the case for the players we oversee. If you have specific examples of players you feel are wrong, and ideas for what they ought to be then this forum serves as a purpose for that.
For things beyond that, it may be beneficial to go through the Contact Us link, which is available from the bottom of the forums or via this link here:
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From a research perspective, when players first move clubs there isn't a particularly large expectation the new researcher will be making sweeping changes. After all, the player will have just had changes made based on the opinions of the previous researcher who had seen them play a lot more games.
There are times when players come into a new league and play very differently and more substantive changes are warranted. It's just that shouldn't necessarily be the normal expectation.
As a part of discussions in this section, the researchers would need specific examples of what you feel is incorrect and what it should be to factor this in. However, the final decision does always rest with the relevant researcher when it comes to subjective considerations.
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On 23/10/2022 at 14:01, stokelad4 said:
I'd also suggest that the FFP figures for Stoke in the game are inaccurate (in game Stoke are set to fail FFP by around 66m.
Whilst Stoke aren't flush, all reports suggest Stoke will meet FFP. This is based largely by the clubs transfer of ground to the owners and various debts being changed over into shares by the owners. This reduced Stoke FFP overspend by around 40m.
Full details provided here:
Also, covered partly in this article.
Some things will be changed, but even with the sale of the clubs training ground/share issue & wiping out of debt it kind of needs to show in the accounts to fully contextualise it. The last set of submitted accounts show none of this revenue, for Stoke City. However, some of the associated accounts for the property side of the business do show it but again the holding accounts aren't strictly speaking the club. The holding accounts show cash in the bank at £91m in the last set of accounts. Yet at the same time Stoke certainly aren't in a position to be making use of that. I'll be checking in to see how best to represent this in game but while the club did avoid a transfer embargo this year it does seem like it could be an issue next year. At least until there's some accounts for the club which demonstrate how they will avoid it. Then some Bristol City fans can write more letters to the EFL unhappy about this.
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On 25/10/2022 at 19:18, BenW. said:
Peter Etebo's move from Stoke City to Aris was a permanent one, not a loan as it is in the game.
https://www.stokecityfc.com/news/2022/september/15/etebo-departs/
I'll get this checked out, transfers on our side are requested by the club the player is going to so I'll need to check with the Greek research team. This deal lingered for quite a while before eventually going through and it was announced with rather little fanfare from the Stoke side as evidenced by a 3 sentence write-up.
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Are only 9 attributes important in Football Manager?
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Feels like you're weeks late to this one. It has already been on these forums and in a reddit thread from around a month ago that SI are already aware of so there isn't going to be much of anything to respond to for the QA team here. If you want to get information on testing that others in the community have done, you're likely going to have to reach out to those creators.