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3-5-2 with a holding midfielder has taken me top of the Championship in to the World Cup break with Boro on a run of 7 clean sheets in the league currently. I've got a WCB-S with the dribbles more train (Matt Clarke) who leads the Championship for most dribbles. I love seeing him stride in to midfield with the ball. As you might expect the defence have a load of high average ratings. I'm getting no joy with ratings for the DM, even though Johnny Howson does a good job of covering the adventurous WCBs.
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On 26/10/2022 at 19:17, WFaithorn98 said:
@bowieinspaceThanks for commenting this thread on my post. It's been a helpful read although I trying to ignore the transfer being made on here so I don't end up copying them.
tactics I've seen on here, I went with a 442 to try to ustilise both Raul Garcia and Inaki Williams, it has been brilliant in an attacking sense but pretty bad defensively so I will make some adjustments in break.
4-4-2 is good with a low block, two banks of four, and leaving space for the wide players to exploit. As others have suggested you will also need more conservative roles in midfield. I have Herrera as a DLP for games I expect to dominate paired with a BWM on support.
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My game progress has slowed as I've been a bit busy to play too much FM recently. I have however reach 2022's World CUp break and it's been an interesting season.
Having qualified for the Champions League I knew I would have some serious juggling to do to keep on top of fitness. After a draw of Man City, AC Milan and RB Leipzig. Not quite a group of death but I'm pretty sure that Leipzig were the highest ranked team from Pot 3. The plan was to give the first 3 CL games a good go and reasses. This made for an September ficture run of Milan, Real Madrid, Leipzig, Barcelona, Man City. A loss to Milan was a bad start but a point was collected away at Barca and 4 points were gathered in the following two CL games. I was pretty pleased, until we went to Levante after this run and shipped 6 goals from 8 shots on target. 10 games in to the league season we were 6th and 3rd in our Champions League group with Leipzig stuck on 0 points. Things could go either way.
The Champions League run hung in the balance and the league form was at risk. Away to City we slipped a goal behind but kept the game tight for 60 minutes with nothing to lose we went on the attack and caught them napping, twice with goals from Sancet and substitute Raul Garcia. Suddenly Champions League destiny was in our own hands thanks to 4 points taken off City - even if we tied on points we had a superior head to head. Domestic fixture difficulty eased up and rotated teams dispatched Sporting and Elche, and after a tense 0-0 with Milan on matchday 5 any one of the top three could miss out on knockout round qualification. The equation was simple, win and progress, a draw would require a Milan victory to knock out City. Leipzig continued to be awful having recently fired their coach, but it wasn't until the 40th minute that Inaki put us ahead, and with City cruising in to 2nd place. Late pressure from the Germans was repelled and despite being the lowest ranked side in the group stage we progress to the knockout stages. We await the draw on the 12th of December as Inaiki and Unai Simon head off to Qatar.
Unai Emery's Newcastle are 5th in the Championship despite £31 million spent this season.
Edit: Spain won the World Cup with Simon everpresent in goal, Inaki pitched in with an injury time goal to beat England in the semi-final. Should also add after 13 league games we are sat 5th.
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2021/22 Review - A remarkable Run
A season bookended by home wins Vs Barcelona and Real Madrid saw us push both sides all the way in a remarkable title run that came down to the last day of the season.
The season began with a 3-2 victory over Koeman's Barca with Dani Garcia of all people bagging a brace. This was the start of a run to Christmas containing just two defeats, 1-0 away at Celta and 3-2 at home to Villarreal with a last gasp Pajero strike. Inaki Williams was red hot leading the goalscoring for the league but Real Madrid were just as good, keeping us in second. A special mention to a 1-0 win away at Atletico with both sides xG under 0.3. A truly dire game.
Christmas brought a tough run of games. The Basque Derby and Madrid away either side of the winter break before playing Barcelona twice in two weeks. 2021 ended with a dramatic Inaki Williams goal to seal the Derby 1-0 but at Madrid and Barca we were outclassed.
This would be the start of a long run unbeaten for Barca who came from nowhere to make it a three horse race. Madrid always doing enough to stay ahead and Barca relentlessly closing the gap with us stuck in the middle.
After January's wobble the side returned to good form with Raul Garcia doing enough to earn a new contract. Williams was not as hot while Iker Muniain struggled to overcome the 4.5 million sale of Yuri to relegation threatened Newcastle.
Bogey teams Celta Vigo and Villarreal again combined to thwart the run in. Before a late Gabriel own goal at the Mestella and a bizarre late winner Vs Levante kept us within touching distance of the title. Tied at 1-1 with minutes to a Levante defender, under no pressure, headed back towards goal where the ball ballooned off the post leaving Inaki to tap in to an empty net past a stranded keeper.
With two games to go. Our brave boys lay 3rd. Behind Barca on head to head and trailling Madrid who needed just a point at San Names to take home the title. They were denied by an impressive 1-0 he win with Jon Morcillo, a late season star, nodding home a late winner. Meanwhile Barca lost away to Valencia to blow their chances at the title. This meant victory at Real Sociedad and a draw between Madrid and Valencia would clinch an unlikely title.
It was the biggest Basque Derby for years with both sides guaranteed Champions League football and Athletic hunting the title. Billed as a showdown between League tops scorers Isak and Inaki. With nothing to lose we went on the attack but it was in vain. A 1-1 draw and a 4-2 victory for Real saw the title go to Madrid by 3 points.
It was a great season with 6 defeats and 85 points. Inaki finished as the 3rd highest scorer behind Isak and Benzema. The two defeats Vs Celta Vigo will haunt me having steamrollered all other side's in mid table. But onwards to the Champions League next year in a condensed World Cup 2022 season with Unai Simon as Spain's number 1 an Inaki likely to represent the club.
Player turnover has been low as a result of string performance. Raul Garcia, Dani Garcia and Balenziaga all signed extensions to help overcome fixture pile up. Long serving Oscar De Marcos detparted for Club Brugge replaced by Martín Aguirregabiria on a Bosman. The Cantera has produced a Golden Generation with a number of talents among.
But for now onwards to the Champions League and with the board only expecting a mid table League finish a chance to focus on reaching the knockouts.
Oh and Yuri now plays for the richest club in the Championship. With no first window transfers Brendan Rodgers couldn't get a tune out of Bruce's old squad and Unai Emery is in charge of the rebuild.
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"Whisper it quietly, but this coulbe a so-called "Golden Generation" with Juan Louis Alkorta the diamond among a very strong group of players."
Ah, what a perfect Youth Intake day, lots of good talent with Alkorta the diamond, a little concerned by his Fickle personality and 7/8 Finishing/Composure but looks like an excellent Number 10, hope we can get that strength up, any advice for sorting his personality traits? Straight in to the first team and in a Mentoring Group with Raul Garcia?
Elsewhere there is a decent keeper and a couple if right backs, plenty of wingers an intersting two footed AM and a deeper playmaker with nice technical attributes but a limited physical capacity.
As a rule I'm sticking to the Basque only policy and ignoring the loophole for all Spanish under 16s and only looking at other Basque youth set ups.
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15 minutes ago, TOMetz said:
Where's Alex Petxarroman?
Starts in the B team I believe. I don't think he has much potential in game.
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4 hours ago, Undy said:
I'm making rather slow progress because my tactical tinkering and trying to figure out the match engine has led to the annoying compulsion of watching every match on full detail, only switching down to key highlights to see out a game that I'm winning comfortably. What a pleasure it is seeing Yeray bursting forward from the right CB position though, even when it does come to nothing.
Slightly off topic but I think this is essential to building a good tactic. Even comprehensive highlights give a warped view of the game. You need to watch the full match to understand so many areas of build up play, how do both team distribute from the back, how passive is the possession of each side, is your pressing strategy effective? Are certain players/ roles too far forward/back in build up. I'm sure some people think this is obvious but the ME has surprised me in the past. And as you say I love the way the CBs carry the ball in to midfield now.
Back to my Athletic save to stay on topic. I'm February of season one and 2nd. Adrift of an unstoppable Madrid but well clear of Sociedad, Villarreal (though Emery just went Newcastle) and Barca. Overcame a January blip where I lost away to Madrid and had to play Barca back to back.
Muniain and Villalibre are both yet to score a league goal. Garcia is behind Inaki but I'm not sure what to do about a contract for him. Yuri left for Newcastle and they put him on 81k while I got 4.5 mill and fought of a Muniain led mutiny. I'm yet to spend in the market, having started with no transfers in the first window.
Only a spectacular collapse would see us miss Champions League football from here. But I don't expect a huge transfer kitty based on this thread.
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5 hours ago, davehanson said:
At work at the moment, can't post screenshots due to this, but am really enjoying Newcastle on the Beta. I have well over-spent the £200m in the first season, I think my transfers totalled about £450m - done through installments.
GKS: Pope & Vandevoort (these rotate, don't have a fixed number 1 as I want to give game time to Vandevoort)
DR: Max Aarons
DL: Luke Thomas (Loan - option to buy for £30m)
DC: Badiashile
DC: Inacio
MC: Skipp
MC: Bellingham
AMR: Saka
AMC: Wirtz
AML: Rodrygo (Loan - option to buy for £35m)
SC: Calvert-Lewin & Isak (again, no 'first' choice, they have both been excellent)
I also have Rrahmani as another central defender and have just signed Ceballos from Madrid for £1.3m.
I have deals lined up for Rovella and Ampadu to come in at the end of the first season. I have spent a stupid amount of money, but when you look down the team it averages about 19-20 years old if Pope doesn't play. Skipp and Bellingham have been excellent, Saka has disappointed a little.
I am currently 3rd, mid way through January on the first season.
What role have you given Bellingham? I've not used him in game yet but his attributes in game don't exactly look suited to his current Dortmund role.
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3 hours ago, bowieinspace said:
Bit of classic beta comedy....
All but 5 of my b team go on holiday for the month of November (in line with the first team squad - Qatar World Cup year), despite having a busy fixture schedule of Liga 2 games in November. First game we line up with a load of generated players, and a goalkeeper playing right wing. Beat Malaga 2-1.
That is excellent.
I've got the beginnings of a nice little Athletic save going on the beta. I usually play a beta game with Athletic to sit back and take a 'tactical' head coach role whereby I focus on the match engine and tactics in the new game, leaving recruitment and to a lesser extent player development for when the full gaem releases. This year however the beta game is going so well I can't see myself putting it down for a while. After and abandoned save with a strikerless 3-4-3 and wide centre backs I've got more of a Bielsa influence 4-3-3 going on. Much like the classic Athletic side of 2010-11 there are flying wing backs, Vencedor in a half back role behind runners from midfield. The difference is up front where I am runing a lobsided front 2 and a winger. This is laregly to accomodate Raul Garcia as the central attacking player and Inaki as a PF-A on the shoulder of the last man. Garcia has been underwhelming, especially in big games, but Williams has 10 in 10 despite rarely playing the full 90. His finishing is deadly and he has a number of headed goals where he ends up against a full back.
All this has lead me to 2nd in the table after 11 games, one defeat to Celta Vigo away and victories over Barca and Atleti. The Atleti game being one of the worst I've seen on FM. Both sides with an xG under 0.3, Simeone playing a 5-4-1 and Williams stealing the game in the 60th minute. Barca meanwhile I caught cold on the first day of the season, out-passing and out-playing them to win 3-2 with 2 goals from Dani Garcia of all people. I think he had 3 goals in almost 400 career appearances prior to the brace.
I'm not getting much of a tune out of Raul Garcia and like others have said question whether Martinez is justifying his wages in defence. I disabled transfers in the first window but now it's November and the usual mob of PSG, Liverpool and Madrid are taking a look at the red hot Inaki Williams. He is justifyably indespensible and not for sale at any price. I still think I can get more from Muniain, I have tried him as an Inverted Winger, tried to get him the ball more as an AP, currently he is in the middle of midfield as a CM-A but I think a Mezzalla role would help him see more of the ball. His most recent impact on the game was to head over the bar form 5 yards vs Sevilla as we slipped to a 1-1 draw and allowed Madrid back to the top of the table.
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8 hours ago, tiotom92 said:
I turn it off. I have no idea why SI have never thought to improve it over the last 15 years.
Probably because they know most people will turn it off anyway.
I would say I usually turn it off but occasionally have it on low while listening to music, or when my attention is focused on another window and I have a full game simming away in the background it can help grab my attention at key moments. While I find the crowd noise acceptable the ball kicking is not the best, bit of a shame that new players first experience is probably the inra-club firendly with no crowd and the dodgy ball noise.
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9 hours ago, cmason84 said:
I found making these quite good fun, so it's good to see others using the data from FM. I did all this just using Excel and PowerPoint so didn't need to understand R (which I've zero idea of).
Percentile rank is a really nive way to understand a player. I wish I could do more with this but work and family are taking up more of my time than ever, to the extent tht for the time being I'm prioritising playing the game over doing some of this. In previous years I woul have a couple of hours a day on the train to mess about with this. Part of the problem is I'm too much of a perfectionist so I want to do it properly. Will try and get an evening or a day at Christmas to nail some fundamentals and get a bit of a guide together.
My biggest challenge is the "so what?" question that anyone should be asking before embarking on data visualisation. Basically what do I/we want levers in our tactics to we want to pull as a resukt of looking in to this? Then I can reverse enginerr some useful stats and visualisations.
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I agree I think they are being underreported. I set CCCs to be shown as replays and they often show a replay without adding the CCC to the Match Stats. Tackles attempted at a player level is not being reported properly and the Passing Combinations visualisation is completely broken which is a shame.
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1 hour ago, Barcafan27 said:
I really doubt taking away conversation history has much if any impact on the speed the game runs at. But if that was the case, just say it, rather than trying to sell me on some phony "realism" take about not having conversation history. It just doesn't apply to conversation history. I totally get taking any the percentages of health; that is a valid realism argument. Conversation history isn't. I really hope they bring it back.
I'm sorry I don't work on the game. Do you know if every AI conversation held between people was held on the save file? I have no idea.
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On 29/08/2019 at 22:47, Savo7en said:
Fm18 and 17 for me currently - really like the 2d view on fm17 that showed the stadium and crowd.
FM18 I'm in 2041 with Bangor City of Wales having just won the Europa League for the 1st time and in FM17 I'm in 2042 with West Ham having started unemployed and then worked my way up from Vanarama South with Kidderminster followed by moves to Barrow, Blackburn and Crystal Palace.
West Ham's stadium is an 87, 000 seater named after me which pretty smart.
Had a son come into youth team at Blackburn but he was awful!
Steve Bruce feels your pain.
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Boro have a sub keeper on the bench right now. Last week Sol Brynn was at the match but not part of the squad as a second reserve.
Surely just leave your worst U23 keeper in the first team to get round this.
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Although its not a game changer either way, FM21's decision to eliminate the conversation history between you and players is an unnecessary downgrade. Being able to look back and see what I told players and when was helpful when I was deciding to talk to a player again on an issue. Importantly, having the conversation history available didn't require any actions on my part; it was just here and available to be used as needed.
It simply makes no sense at all to eliminate it. What is the reason? Realism? Don't make me laugh. In real life, coaches (and workers of all kinds) would have a contact database with these sorts of notes in them. Why should I as a player be forced to take more time away from the fun aspects of the game and use the "Create note" feature to do what previously was done automatically. It's annoying and unnecessary. Total failure.
Please consider fixing this and reinstituting conversation history in a future update.
Given the speed improvement s we have seen this year I wonder if this was one of things cut to make for a more streamlined experience. Must admit it's not an area I've ever used much.
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On 19/11/2020 at 11:16, hardayas said:
Found out how you do this. When on the Player Search screen use Ctrl + A to select every player in the search, then export the file and every player in the search is exported.
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2 minutes ago, alian62 said:
That's the whole point of hearts ? Players in real life don't run around with a % on their heads tell you how fatigued they are ? Just like in real life its a bit of guess work and a bit of observation . You have to work out where and who you want to sub off
but they do on FIFA!
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3 hours ago, gam945 said:
@JPKD Are you familiar with R and SQL? I've wanted a lot of times to this sort of analysis and most of the time I abandoned cause even if I could produce those graphs, I had no platform to regroup the graphs and be able to do my analysis... Now at work I'm working on a project using Shiny from RStudio, and it offers exactly what I was looking for before
I'm planning to build a web app that enables us to manage our club using data, from salaries to squad analysis to scouting. The beauty of Shiny is that you need no experience with classic web dev tools such as html and css: it's all wrapped in R code 
Will surely create a thread later about it
I'd say I understand how SQL works, I've never done any database building but I've done a bit of query writing but I'm far from an everday user. Anything I've built so far is just dumped in to a Google Sheet and run through Data Studio.
58 minutes ago, saihtam said:How long one graphc making takes time for you? I mean from exporting data out of FM and getting the graph
Probably about 15 minutes to do a rough version. Problem is each time you pull out different stats you break the graphics. So I'm trying to work out every stat I'll need to include in the template. Data Studio has a really nice theme builder that automatically matched the colours from an image of the FM21 logo.
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On 18/11/2020 at 08:38, Mikal said:
FWIW, you can also extract much more than 260 from the scouting page, I routinely extract thousands of lines. I did a test already and I think I extracted around 50,000 (almost the entire player database) but it absolutely did a number on my laptop lol.
Thanks, interesting stuff. How did you do the larger export?
Been playing about with how to structure the data with an eye on making it a template and visual elements to match the default FM21 skin:
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Yeah I'm just playing around at the moment. Once I've built up a few template I'll wirte up a full guide on how to export and ideas for creating new charts. Not quite sure where it should sit in the forum.
A full blown visuliser tool inside the game would be even better. I feel like there is loads of data in game but some of it is really hard to access. I've seen people asking for xG per player across more than one game. It is in there but you have to go to the Player > Reports > Coach Report and open the Radar chart to get the number. Even then it's per 90 minutes and not available for defenders. Here's hoping we'll be able to get xG on the squad screen this year that would really complete the Goals chart above.3 -
Been playing around with the data export option in FM20/21. Until now I had no idea that if you select "Print Screen" from the FM menu dropdown you can then export data in HTML format to copy/paste straight in to Excel or Google Sheets.
On the squad screen you can create a view with every Chalkboard stat and pull it out of the game. This can even be done for opposition clubs. So my 4am mind was whirring earlier and I was thinking you could export club team data to Google Sheets and set up a Data Studio scounting report based on all the teams stats.
So Man City's player data would go from this:
To this:
While I admit the presentation is a little rough around the edges I think you can get the idea. This might be even more useful when the game is full of regens and you need to quickly identify goalscoring or creative threats (not 100% sure how quick you can refresh the data right now).
You can even export around 260 players at a time from the Scouting Search function to create datasets on entire divisions.
Is anyone interested in seeing how far I could go with this? I could potentially set up a template for people to copy and fill with their own data (a less than 2 minute task) to get a view on their own teams/games.
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8 hours ago, RocheBag said:
Playing 3 at the back with your wide mids on attack is no problem. It looks too attacking on paper so people don't like it when they see it, but in game it gives the closest representation of how real 3 at the back systems play. I would use a DM, but that's just me. If you don't want to use a DM, a CM-D should do the trick.
Must say I have not tried this on current game but I find when playing a back three role other than Defensive Wingers in the midfield strata just don't work hard enough in defence and wide centre backs are too easily pulled out of position. It may be different for a dominant City side against a weaker side but in an even match up I've never managed to make it work.
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Early Season Update
League
8th - P6 W3 D1 L2League Cup
Rotherham H p1-1
Sheffield Wed. H 2-1The Good
From a tactical perspective, it has to be the high press. Having watched a lot of games in full detail it's good to see opposition goalkeepers being forced in to turning over possession. In the opening game of the season, Luton's Simon Sluga had a pass success rate of 64%. Even when successful passes are complete the midfield is proving effective in winning the second ball. From a performance perspective, 4 wins on the bounce to take me into the first international break culminating in a 3-1 away win at promotion-chasing Bristol City was pleasing. The three goals were great examples of the different routes to goal and variety I am looking for.
The first was an 8 pass move that moved from box to box with the key pass coming from the Mez-A finding space ahead of the defence and drawing a player out of the defensive line. This leaves space for the striker - Ashley Fletcher - to move in to and slip beyond the goalkeeper.
The first goal in full
Saville switches the ball from one half space to another to Wing, bypassing the isolated defensive midfielder and then drawing a defender before laying on the assist
The second came from a throw-in with the taker finding space after taking the throw-in and moving infield in to a half-space and burying the ball into the bottom corner across the goalkeeper. The third was a goal on the counter defending a late Bristol City corner. The ball is cleared to a lone striker who is supported by Trequartista Patrick Roberts who was set to wait on the edge of the area at the set-piece and cooly finish one-on-one to complete the victory.
Left: Defensive Winger Hayden Coulson (bottom right) moves laterally across the field to attack the half-space
Right: Subsitute Lukas Nmecha lays the ball off to Patrick Roberts on the counter attack to complete the victoryThe Bad
11 goals in 6 make us the leagues second highest scorers but it could so easily have been more. Clear Cut Chance conversion was an issue for the opening games of the season. In the opening game, Fletcher missed a CCC to put the side 2-1 up in a game that was lost 3-2. Britt Assombalonga missed a 78th-minute penalty which cost us 2 points against Brentford. Even in a 2-0 victory over Wigan Fletcher missed the best chance of the game and it was two long-range strikes that brought about victory. The woodwork also denied the team 4 times across the first 4 games of the season. As far as chance conversion goes I'm hoping personnel will make a difference with the aforementioned Assombalonga fit enough for 45 minutes of football but returning to fitness the international break. The good news is the tactic is producing these chances and we are producing more high-quality chances than the opposition. Fortunately potency from range has proved dangerous.
The Ugly
Defensive solidity has been a problem. Especially away from home where 3 goals were conceded at Luton and two at Blackburn. Across 8 competative games only Wigan have been denied a goal. I've made a few changes from the tactic as previously shown. I've removed 'defende narrower' in favour of 'defend wider'. Simply because with the DWs pressing as part of the midfield the defence is far too narrow to defeng against wider 4-5-1/4-3-3 formations. Big switches of play leaving attackers free at the far post. This accounted for key goals against Luton and Blackburn. I've also moved the defensive midfielder deeper. This itself gives greater cover to the DWs allowing the DM to press the space left in behind them or collect balls cleared in between defence and attack. I have also abandoned the left-footed Friend at left centre back in favour of the defendisvly more solid Ayala as the tactic allows plenty of crosses in to the area.
So this was the tactic as used for the performance vs Bristol City. Worth noting that both of Bristol's CCCs came from the same move with the first saved and the second scored.
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I'm planning to build a web app that enables us to manage our club using data, from salaries to squad analysis to scouting. The beauty of Shiny is that you need no experience with classic web dev tools such as html and css: it's all wrapped in R code 
Quickfire Questions and Answers Thread (Tactic and Training Questions Only)
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"And Endrick strays in to an offside position" - I'm seeing too much of this for my liking. I'm not soo sure why, is it elite Premier League defences catchign me out, is it the mentality of my Attacking forwards on Positive Team mentality or is it just poor Off the Ball from my strikers?