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Yep I think the 'get qualified teams from stage' seems to be working. The only thing I've noticed is that some teams that are winning in the Conference League qualifiers are not going through to the group stage of the Conference League, they're just winning and not being entered anywhere so I need to see why that's happening, that's a little confusing.

@themodelcitizen I owe you big time! That has worked I think, the tournament seems to be running smoothly now and doing what I hoped for! I need to mess about with a few of the rules in terms of choosing the teams but it's working as hoped. Just going to let the game simulate for a number of years and see how it goes. So it seems like you have to specify what teams are in each stage of a created competition, whereas I was thinking you could follow the default European competitions and not have to explicitly choose the qualified teams but apparently not. If anyone is interested in this file or wants to do something similar, I am more than happy to help but thanks again @themodelcitizen for suggesting this method.

There's an older topic which I posted this issue in but thought it would be best to create a new topic as it's slightly different to original post. So I've created a new tournament called 'UEFA Europa Fusion League' which is the new 4th tier tournament in Europe. It is made up of 64 teams. There are no qualifiers, just 16 groups of 4 and then R32, R16 etc. Instead of messing about with the seedings page and recreating it all (I'm unfortunately stuck on that too but that's another subject), I've decided to populate this competition with losing teams from the Europa Conference League qualifying rounds. To make 64 teams, I wanted to take teams who lose at the Champions qualifying stage (14 teams, it seems to vary with the new league format between 14-18 so stuck to 14 for now) and then specific numbers from 2nd, 3rd and 4th round qualifying League qualifying to make up 64 teams. Choosing the teams, I want to choose teams from the lowest ranked nations first, to avoid clubs from the bigger nations... Not sure how to do that exactly but that's kind of secondary for now. I've set the fate actions in the Europa Conference League for both the Champions/League qualification stage as so: So for this example, in my mind, 5 losing teams from the second qualifying round of ECL (Europa Conference League) will enter this new tournament. I've set the 'Teams' section like so in the group stage of the EFL (Europa Fusion League, the new competition): The error I get is not being able to get the correct number of teams, in fact it's finding 0. I know I can add teams in the 'Teams' area like in the above snip, and when I do that, it 'finds' teams but you can't choose 'pick losing teams' so that's why I think the approach via the 'Fate Actions' in the ECL screen is what I need to do and I cannot use this 'Teams' area. The only other thing which I think could be playing a part is the 'Qualified Teams' section in the overall competition. Technically, there are no pre qualified teams as this new competition is dependant on the ECL but maybe something needs to be done there? I've put the setup date of the competition as 1st September, when all the ECL qualifying rounds have finished. I just don't know what else I haven't considered!? Can anyone help me on this or come up with any suggestions please? I've attached my .fmf file. I'm hoping it's something simple I've overlooked! Thanks! No CL format - EFL added.fmf

So the setup date of the whole competition needs to be changed to end of August for example? I have put the requirements for the group stage to start that stage 0 and 1 of the EConfL need to be completed. The ‘get qualified team from stage’ angle did seem to work but I don’t think I can use that to get losers of a round, let alone only choosing X amount of losing teams and not all of them? Thanks for your help!

I didn't want to create a new topic as this is related to the new European competition but hoping give this a view anyway. I'm getting 0 teams coming through to the group stage of my new competition. So I've created a new tournament called 'UEFA Europa Fusion League' which is the new 4th tier tournament in Europe. It is made up of 64 teams. There are no qualifiers, just 16 groups of 4 and then R32, R16 etc. Instead of messing about with the seedings page and recreating it all (I'm unfortunately stuck on that too but that's another subject), I've decided to populate this competition with losing teams from the Europa Conference League qualifying rounds. To make 64 teams, I wanted to take teams who lose at the Champions qualifying stage (14 teams, it seems to vary with the new league format between 14-18 so stuck to 14) and then specific numbers from 2nd, 3rd and 4th round qualifying to make up 64 teams. Choosing the teams, I want to choose teams from the lowest ranked nations first, to avoid clubs from the bigger nations... Not sure how to do that exactly but that's kind of secondary for now. I've set the fate actions in the Europa Conference League for both the Champions/League qualification stage as so: So in my mind, 5 losing teams from the second qualifying round of ECL will enter this new tournament. I've set the 'Teams' section like so in the group stage of the EFL (Europa Fusion League, the new competition): I think this is just for including teams which qualify through the league which don't have to go through qualifiers, looking at the other competitions but I've included it anyway. The error I get is not being able to get the correct number of teams, in fact it's finding 0. I know I can add things in the 'Teams' area like in the above snip but you can't choose 'pick losing teams' so that's why I think the approach via the 'Fate Actions' in the ECL screen is what I need to do. The only other thing which I think could be playing a part is the 'Qualified Teams' section in the overall competition. Technically, there are no pre qualified teams as this new competition is dependant on the ECL but maybe something needs to be done there? Can anyone help me on this please? I've attached my .fmf file. I'm hoping it's something simple I've overlooked! Thanks! No CL format - EFL added.fmf

Hi all, I'm looking to create different formats of the European Champions League which iterate through every few years, including adding more teams into the group stage via the seedings system. I've used @V2023 file as a base to try and create the seeding system used by the game. I'm not amending any of the format yet, just trying to get a seeding system created by myself to work. I know you can use the base seeding but if I want to expand the competition in the future and change the seedings, I need to set up a manual system. I've copied the seedings from the actual competition page within the editor for the Champions League (looking at the registered teams section and mirroring this in the seedings) but it comes up with this error: I'm not an expert on rankings but I haven't changed anything in the Champions League competition, only added seedings so it has to be incorrect in that area but I can't seem to work out what's going on, does anyone have any idea please? Any help would be appreciated. Rusty mentioned to me that there is a new feature in the FM24 editor called 'Alternative Qualification Rules' which may be able to be used to achieve what I want in the future but I tried messing around with it to no avail, here is the screen in the editor for anyone interested: I've attached the fmf file I'm using with the seedings which is coming up with the error in the first screenshot. Thank you! 2024 European formats removed - seedings added.fmf

Great, thanks Rusty for letting me know! I might have a look ASAP because trying to recreate in FM23 has been a bit difficult, I was about to post my fmf file with some detail about what I'm trying to do but if this new section works as expected, I may not need to mess about with seedings after all! Thanks

Thanks Rusty for your answers, really appreciated! It's a shame that screen is removed when you make custom rules but not the end of the world, as long as nations gain and lose places over the seasons and it's dynamic then I'm happy, I guess you could always monitor it slightly on the 'seedings' for the competitions too.

Thanks Rusty. Just a couple of questions: 1) Do you know what screen in the editor allows you to amend the coefficient points awarded within a competition? 2) Will the below screen update by season or will this stay static too, even though the dynamic part is working? Thank you for your help!

@rusty217 @themodelcitizen, if you create custom European qualification in the screen I posted in the original post, does it become dynamic in the game? As in, like real life, European qualification places change by nation each year depending on how well the country's clubs perform in Europe. I would think it would remain dynamic as you are only changing the start qualification spots but wanted to double check if either of you guys know? Thanks

Thanks for your response. So just an update, because I hope posting about this stuff will help someone in the future: Currently I'm focussing on the CL different variants. So what I want is: The current 32 team, 8 group stage format. 32 teams, 2 group stages (ala 2001/2002) 36 teams, league stage (the new variant) 40 teams, league stage Changing the formats with the same base number of teams is fine so first two are OK to setup. I'm using FM19 for testing, because I have a file which had CL, EL and Conference League setup already with seedings instead of building from scratch. There are probably other files which are more recent which have the European competitions built from scratch which are close to the current rules but for now, using FM19. I'm looking at the 36 team and league stage format. Obviously this is already in FM23/FM24 but if I create a new European competition, I have to build the seedings/qualifications from scratch so I'm attempting to rebuild it myself to make the seedings system work for differing amount of teams in the CL group stage. So right now, using Rusty's advice, I've put 4 teams into a seeding which isn't used for the CL unless there's 36 teams. What I'm currently testing are all the European competitions to make sure that all the teams are going to the correct competition, regardless of the CL format being used. I'm having trouble with the league format because the new CL format, in FM23, the coding for the fixtures is customised by SI. You can see it when you amend the competition, but for some reason, in the older editors (FM19 for example), there is a max number for custom fixtures which is less than 36 so I don't think I can do it, otherwise it will assume every team plays each other at least once. What I've done instead is still keep 36 teams, but put in 9 groups of 4 and 1 group has no qualification rules... just for testing to make sure the teams are assigned to the correct European competition. I'm still testing this now but it's looking quite promising, although not 100% so just sorting it. Another alternative which we discussed earlier is just to amend the qualifying rounds to allow more teams through so you don't have to mess with seedings but you also have to do the same for the other European competitions as EL and ECL both require CL qualifying dropouts. I may revisit this if I can't get this semi automated seeding system working! Also for the new European competition that I may create, to be honest I might actually not get any teams directly from the league system, I may just fill the tournament full of teams who lose in the ECL qualifying rounds. Makes it easier to create and also, makes it a little 'fairer' as those teams get to qualify for a European competition instead of nothing, while a 'worse' team in one of the mid/low European nations gets qualification! I will update as I test more. Focussing on FM19 for now and will rebuild in FM24!

Thanks for that, yea I guess something like that could make sense, albeit messy as you say… just want a bit of variation but also, if I did extend the amount of teams, wouldn’t be the end of the world to take more teams from the qualifiers. Just one last thing, back to this new European competition I’m looking to create which excludes the top 5 nations clubs, when I create the qualification spots, I just need to ignore the 5 nations numbers in the ‘first’ and ‘last’ nation boxes don’t I? Thanks again

Great, thanks for your help! Yea so for example, I want to create a 4 league stages with 12 teams each, so 48 teams overall. I guess I could tinker with the qualifying so that less teams go out and instead qualify, is that what you are implying? The only problem I could foresee is that if I had 48 teams in the ‘main’ stage, I would want more clubs from the stronger nations (the top 6 of the PL for example), and not being able to amend the qualifying setup for future dates would restrict that but you did mention about byes and stuff so not sure if there’s a way to do this? Sorry if I’m misunderstanding, the editor is a confusing beast! I appreciate your help! Thanks

Thank you for your response, I think I've seen your previous posts where you mentioned it so I thought I may have to recreate all the competitions! One other thing as well I was thinking of, and not sure if this is possible either as it may be hardcoded, which is amend the European qualification spots by year? What I am looking to do create a few different formats of the CL and the game cycles through the iterations every 4 years. I have created different formats which work (two group stages for example), but some formats I have come up with require the base number of teams in the group stage to change. As you know, currently it's 32 teams into the group stage, next season it's 36 teams. So for example, let's say in 2026 after the new format is in place, I want to revert back to the 'current' CL format of 32 teams in 8 groups, I tried this and the format was created but the game had 36 teams qualifying for the group stage, so 4 teams didn't go through to the next stage even though they went through via the qualifiers. I know I can change the number of teams which qualify at the beginning but I don't think you can have different iterations of the screenshot above and set what years they are valid for. The other alternative is to create a separate competition I guess and assign that, but even then I think that won't work because that screen won't know which years a competition is valid for. Thanks for any help!

Hi, I'm looking to create a new European competition which is basically the Europa Conference League part 2, I want the competition to only feature clubs from countries outside of the top 5 highest coefficient (so basically, no English, Italian, Spanish, French or German teams). I was hoping to include Europa Conference League qualifier losers (although that might include a club from the above listed nations, unlikely though) + league qualifiers. There are two things I was wondering: 1) Can excluding certain nations be achieved for this new European competition and only this competition? I believe it can using the 'Teams' screen in the advanced rules (screenshot attached) for the competition and making sure not to include the top 5 nations but wanted to check 2) Probably more important and hopefully easier to answer, how do you actually get to this screen? I've taken it from an old post: For some reason I can't find a prepopulated version of this screen, only when I create a new competition and this screen is blank. Do I have to create it from scratch? Thanks for any help!

Yep managed to get it working as I hoped, I think! Thank you. As you can probably tell, I'm trying to come up with changes and new formats which cycle for long term saves so things don't get stale

Thanks for that. I actually forgot to post but I realised that it was because of the promotion/relegation tab not accounting for the extra two teams. Added that in and it's working! I know the playoff relegation thing is definitely possible but not sure if it's possible to choose the Champ play off final loser specifically, or do you think you have a solution for that particular case on your file? Thanks!

Hi, What I'm trying to do is amend the Premiership on a future date to move from 20 teams to 22 teams. So for example, what I'm thinking is, 2030-2031 season, the Premiership increases from 20 teams to 22. Only 1 team gets relegated in 2029-2030 to the Champ and 3 teams still come up from the Championship. Not sure how viable this is? I've tried playing around by copying the Premiership and Championship as separate competitions and setting 'offset year start/end' to match after amending the number of teams/relegation numbers but it just doesn't seem to like it, it comes up with the following error: Any help would be great on this! Also, a more ambitious move, I was wondering if it was possible to create a relegation play off between the Prem and Champ which would be 17th (assuming a 20 team division as it is currently) vs. the Champ play off final losers. This feels a bit of a long shot but again, any help or idea if it's even possible would be great! Thanks for any help provided!