I am not able to convince players to stay by asking if they want an improved deal.

Hi @Varasalvi

Do you have a save file with an example of this?

One from just before a conversation like this occurs would be ideal.

Just uploaded a file called "Andrés Óskarsson - Ægir 38"

Player Luis Arroyo currently has an issue and wants to discuss it. 

Select the option that is in the top row furthest to the right, he will not be convinced. Then select the "I can see i'm not going to convince you, will a pay raise tempt you to stay?", that's when the bug appears. 

Hi, we wouldn't consider this to be a bug. 

For example, in the screenshots shown below, the option selected before is about new contract/wages and the player has said 'I'm not interested in that, I need to put my career before all that' so doubling down by going would you like more money? The player decides to end the conversation. 

So essentially if the player ends the conversation that is them rejecting the offer of a pay rise. 

Gotta be honest, i'm at a loss for words. And please don't take this personally but i kinda don't believe you. For this to be true, that means that since this started happening it has been the only response I've gotten for over a decade of in game time and countless conversations. It has never been so consistently the same in any other previous FM. But more importantly, if this is how it's supposed to be that means this nonsensical conversation would have been designed this way and approved by someone, that's baffling... It's perfectly reasonable to offer a better contract to a player, it's not doubling down it's exploring options. No human responds to that offer this way, it doesn't even address the offer, just "i'm not happy, you suck, bye".

That said, thanks for the help, i do appreciate it, i really do, and i know none of this is on you. I'm just somehow more upset now than i was before when i thought it was an error. Errors can be fixed, poor design, especially in FM games, rarely get fixed.

On 08/05/2024 at 14:21, Varasalvi said:

Gotta be honest, i'm at a loss for words. And please don't take this personally but i kinda don't believe you. For this to be true, that means that since this started happening it has been the only response I've gotten for over a decade of in game time and countless conversations. It has never been so consistently the same in any other previous FM. But more importantly, if this is how it's supposed to be that means this nonsensical conversation would have been designed this way and approved by someone, that's baffling... It's perfectly reasonable to offer a better contract to a player, it's not doubling down it's exploring options. No human responds to that offer this way, it doesn't even address the offer, just "i'm not happy, you suck, bye".

That said, thanks for the help, i do appreciate it, i really do, and i know none of this is on you. I'm just somehow more upset now than i was before when i thought it was an error. Errors can be fixed, poor design, especially in FM games, rarely get fixed.

I mean I will be the first to say that player interaction in this game is utterly illogical, however, I think in this case it is probably correct. If a player goes to you saying they want to leave because they want to join a bigger club and you offer them a bigger contract and they respond with 'that isnt important to me' and you ask again if they want more money, that would come off as not listening. People get very petty if they feel like they arnt being listened to.

Edited May 14 by phantombandit

On 14/05/2024 at 16:40, phantombandit said:

I mean I will be the first to say that player interaction in this game is utterly illogical, however, I think in this case it is probably correct. If a player goes to you saying they want to leave because they want to join a bigger club and you offer them a bigger contract and they respond with 'that isnt important to me' and you ask again if they want more money, that would come off as not listening. People get very petty if they feel like they arnt being listened to.

Except that's not how the conversations go. There have never been 2 offers of more money. I try to convince citing atmosphere, grass isn't greener, all that stuff, and if they don't accept that only then do i offer more money. In that context, i maintain this does not make any sense in the slightest.
 

Edited May 15 by Varasalvi