[FM24: Manchester United - Same old problems?]

On 27/01/2024 at 03:36, BigV said:

A big struggle to find, looked high and low, would be miles better if I had reports to look at 

Im also struggling to get an Inside forward to score from the left side, regardless if I go short- direct or slow to high tempo, garnacho is completely inefective down the left, once I stick him on the right as a winger or upfront, he's a new player all together, it's so weird. Might have to see how rashford does up front. 

Maximilian Beier can cover both of those positions well. He can be signed for a reasonable sum.

[Rate my tactic (strikerless (SS))]

I type this on my cell phone so I can not provide a screenshot of my tactic. The player roles and formation are as follows:

 

IWs.           SSa.   Ta.    

          CMd.                  Wa. 

                       BWMs 

FBa.    BPDd.   BPDd. FBs.   

                   SKs

The right back sits narrower and left centre back wider. In the offense the tactic transforms into a kind of 2-3-5 like most tactics do nowadays (5 advanced players). Obviously, I left a gap in AMCL spot so that my IW can cut inside there. Sometimes the left back also ends up there if he doesn't go down the outside.

My team instructions are all about pressing high with minimal instructions how to play on the ball, and in the few games I used the tactic I was succesful.

So please comment on the tactic if you have any advice or wish to try it out yourself.

[Looking for a good wonderkid Advanced Forward]

I recommend Liam Delap.

[How to force players to build up on central area?]

Your central attackers are cut off from the deeper midfielders. There is something wrong with your setup. Nobody is using the space in front of the dm unless the am shifts left - I can't say since I have not played the new game yet with its improved positional play.

But I would switch the dm to support and Ws to W (atk).

[How to get wide players to cut in]

I watched the highlights against WH. The first goal is an exception to that rule as Zaniolo dribbles down the left wing and cuts it back for Watkins who assists Luiz.

It shows variation in Villa's play, partly due to Zaniolo's footedness. So if you produced a mirrored version of your tactic you could have McGinn narrower as an IWs and Zaniolo as a regular WMa. But that would mess with the strikers' footedness and positions as the support role would be on the left. No longer could Diaby come central onto his stronger foot to shoot or serve Watkins.

[How to get wide players to cut in]

9 minutes ago, HowzatFM said:

For the ML / MR - Sit Narrower, Cut inside with ball. Sometimes I am using Mark Specific Player on the opposition wingers, to get the 6-2-2 shape Emery has used in tougher matches

Thanks for sharing, but I was asking about beverage's tactic.

If McGinn goes narrow in his tactic, there is no width on the right side. On the other hand, McGinn is not a natural wide player and he is left footed.

[How to get wide players to cut in]

18 hours ago, beverage1982 said:

Think after much consideration (and a huge helping hand from Dan Gear over at the wonderful view from the Touchline) I've finally cracked this. Will probably do a separate thread once I've played a bit more but it's looking so much more like Villa IRL> 

Do you use any PIs on the players, especially MR and ML?

[Unofficial FM24 French League Teams Guide]

7 hours ago, Ronaldo Beckham said:

This is him in the 2nd season. 

Thanks for replying. He looks better further forward even though he has been Lille's dlp in real life. Not that I have watched him play but he should have been made at least somewhat usable defensively.

[Unofficial FM24 French League Teams Guide]

Can someone post a screenshot of the player profile of Angel Gomes at Lille?

Really curious to see his attributes.

[Which one would you chose?]

If you need a player who can cover at DM, Scalvini.

If you need a CB only, Silva - higher potential and good passer from the back.

[[FM23] Everton: It's the hope that kills you]

Thanks, much appreciated, Mr causticgrip. Although I can now envisage the tactic working well even without the instructions.

[[FM23] Everton: It's the hope that kills you]

On 09/03/2023 at 15:52, causticgrip said:

Everton Season 2

 

 

There we go, did the double! Pretty lucky only 81 points enough to win the league. Glad to concede the least amount of goals again, would like to challenge Chelsea's insane irl record at some point.

Hi, very impressed with your tactic in terms of assortment of roles. Mind asking whether you use any player instructions?

[Playing an IWBa in front of a wingback]

3 hours ago, kevkel said:

I tried this, I had a successful 4-3-2-1 tactic I was using but I was fed up of my DLP-D having a poor match rating despite everything statistically saying he played well. So I moved him to the IWB position in front of my WB-A. He performed brilliantly there, his assists went up almost to 1 every other game, his av. rating went up massively aswell so from his point of view it was great but it made my Normal FB  who had always played as a WB-A useless as he wasn't doing anything. The tackles were made by IWB, the interceptions were made by IWB so my WB-A would always have a low match rating as he wasn't involved in the game. 

Interesting. Did your IWB score or just assist, I would be curious to know? ,

I see your problem with the WBa, it is related to what De Nile reports about the two defending the same area, but perhaps it would have made it slightly better if you had tried a WB-s instead, creating more space in between the two. In my limited testing, I found that the two players on the flank combined ok as one would attack the inside when he could and the other more to the outside, supporting the IWB in attack, which still does not fix the defensive issue. 

23 hours ago, De Nile said:

I have tried that before (but with different roles and instructions and it's not strikerless.) in defence they kind of defended the same area as apposed to two separate deep pressing zones so the opposition fullback had a lot more time to cross from deep. Attack was alright. The thing is in your system you plan to use a treq on the same side as your double wingback so the wingback will have extra work and the opposition can easily overload the flank your wingback and treq are protecting in addition you plan to high press so they most likely wait for you to come forward and then direct counter. But since you got good results you can continue with your tactic just be aware 

Thank you for the warning. I see it as a problem, as well, that the IWB would not press high enough, leaving their fullback to pick apart my defence and my two players marking the same zone with nobody marking the zone higher up. Perhaps this is a risk worth taking though in order to utilise the IWB going forward.

[Playing an IWBa in front of a wingback]

Dear all,

I wonder and do start a thread on the issue that is beginning to tickle my fancy.

Wanting to incorporate in my tactic a winger that will cut inside and support and at the same time be an attacking threat I got the idea of putting an inverted attacking wingback in the WB/DM strata in front of an overlapping wingback in the full back/centre back strata.

The setup is as follows (strikerless)

 

...........ssa........ta

Wma bwms dlpd

...............................iwba

Fbs ...cbd ....cbd..... wbs

 

Team instructions boil down to high pressing instructions.

I have only played a friendly game repeatedly so far and had decent results (the problem is more the lack of high pressing from the role rather than attacking contribution even though I played a wingback there so even the latter wasn't that great). What I would do when testing this concept more extensively is retrain an inverted winger to the wingback position rather than playing an orthodox wingback there. In short, does anyone think that this can work? I would test this tactical concept myself but I am interested if there is anyone on this message board who already has.

 

 

[Revisiting Old Threads]

On 06/04/2022 at 22:12, herne79 said:

The role descriptions in game tend to be based on real life roles.  If you read the role description for the Trequartista (to continue your question) it is based on a real life TQ such as Totti - somebody who is a genius flair player but not much use defensively.  But it’s important to understand that in game, different players will play the same role in different ways.  So if we use a player with lots of flair but little in the way of work rate, we end up with the “realistic” Trequartista.  But putting in a hard working player instead gives us a much different beast.

In terms of Aggression, personally I always view that particular attribute as kind of a natural press.  Thus even though the role description and player instructions built in would  have us believe a TQ won’t do much (if any) closing down, lots of Aggression in the player will help him do just that.  It should also help him to ”aggressively” move into dangerous positions to help himself and team mates, especially in the final third (as you have found).  For his movement that you mention, yes the TQ role encourages roaming, but the player will still need decent off the ball attribute.  It’s this sort of combination that often gets over looked but can be crucial - roles tell players what they should do, but the player’s own abilities determine how well or in what manner they perform the role.  Two sides of the same coin.

Thank you very much for responding. Aggression therefore seems like a very underrated attribute for attackers to have. I presume that the same thing would happen with other roles if we add roaming to a highly aggressive player (more aggression = more initiative in movement) but I still have to test that out.

[Revisiting Old Threads]

On 30/03/2022 at 11:50, herne79 said:

The pictures are gone but the information is pretty much still all there .  iirc I ended up with a Trequartista in the AMCR position and a Box to Box Midfielder along side the BWM.

What I'd add is to pay attention to the type of player used in each role.  For example, I used a hard working player as the TQ (think Fernandes at Man Utd) and then added some variety for my wingers - so a flair player for the attacking left winger and a hard worker who can cross like a demon on the right (kind of like Giggs/Beckham or, more modern day, Lemar/Hakimi).  All "elite" players perhaps, but just examples to give an idea.

And for the new role (the attacking central defender or whatever it's called?) I haven't used it so can't really comment but I don't really see the benefit - if it ain't broke don't fix it .

Can you please elaborate a little bit on the hardworking trequartista for me? I ask because after reading your thread, I tried to use an aggressive, hardworking trequartista on FM 2022. The player I signed to try it was Laszlo Kleinheisler for Watford and I have to say that he really performed in the role, not only aiding the build up and making assists with killer passes but also making runs forward and scoring goals. What I am interested in, in particular, is whether you think that the aggressiveness of the player made him use this role to full capacity, particularly when it comes to utilizing the full freedom of movement that trequartistas can enjoy, however much it is the case that this slightly contradicts the playmaking aspect of the role. Please share your experience and knowledge of the role with me.

[Trusting the Process - Collectivism, Rotations & Control]

A question for the author of the thread: can you please tell what it is that accounts for the forward runs into space by Emile Smith Rowe if he doesn't have the 'get further forward' instruction? Is it 'move into channels'? Thanks.

[difference between inside forward and inverted winger in fm22]

If you use both on support, inside forwards have 'get further forward' hardcoded. That's one difference.

[[FM22] Request A Screenshot Thread]

Last but not least, Emile Smith Rowe and Jorginho please

[[FM22] Request A Screenshot Thread]

Eden Hazard, Jorginho and Messi please

 

[[FM22] Request A Screenshot Thread]

Grealish, Sadio Mane, Foden, Luka Ivanušec, Mason Mount, Raheem Sterling please

 

[Rate my 4-4-2 strikerless]

As the title says, please rate my 4-4-2 strikerless tactic, currently using with Barcelona. Here goes

 

GK Sweeper keeper support Ter Stegen

DR full back support Roberto

DCr BPDd Pique

DCl BPDd Lenglet

DL wingback support Alba

MR wide midfielder support Messi - dribble more, get further forward

MCr central midfielder support De Jong

MCl DLPd Busquets

ML wide midfielder support Fati - dribble more

AMCr attacking midfielder attack Griezmann 

AMCl advanced playmaker support Pedri

 

All players also have PI shoot less often. The idea for the tactic is for the two MCs and AMCl to form a triangle while AMCr attacks the space from deeper. The MRL cut inside or get down the wing, making them unpredictable. ML is overlapped by DL while MR is more attacking and supported by DR. I opted to play this 4-4-2 strikerless since I found the STs to be too isolated from the midfield. For team instructions I use:

 

Low crosses, counterpress, distribute to defenders, much higher def line, much higher line of engagement, prevent gk short distribution, max pressing, play offside trap.

 

The tactic plays decently in friendlies but hasn't been tested extensively. Please comment on the tactic and give suggestions.

[FM21 Screenshot Requests]

Thank you, much appreciated. Forgot to ask for Grealish and Ings, if you have the time.

[FM21 Screenshot Requests]

Messi, Eden Hazard, Moussa Diaby, Odegaard, Mason Mount, Gravenberch, Foden, Joao Felix, Pulisic, Manor Solomon, Amad Diallo, Darwin Nunez please. If you could post without hidden attributes too, I would appreciate it.