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  1. Another great article Cleon and one I've been hoping for. I play counter myself mainly throughout the FM's. Though I am using a 4-4-2 (For no other reason than I've never got one to work successfully in any other FM) and I've taken on board some of the points you've outlined with improved results, so thank you for that. Despite this, one of the primary issues I have is a lack of actual challenges to win the ball back to initiate a counter attack. So often my players will just jockey the opposition until they get a shot away. There just seems a really lack of aggression at times just outside my 18 yard box once we have dropped back into shape, seemingly hoping for interceptions that rarely come. Asking the team to tackle harder simply leads to an insane amount of fouls and closing down more rarely remedies the situation. I can only think it's due to the lack of enough central midfielders (I tuck my wide midfielders in also)or perhaps a lack of aggression from my players, though they're aggression stats are average to good for the league I am in.
  2. Seems a lot of people are so enraptured with Football Manager that they don't have time to keep up with real football!
  3. I've been trying for a season to replicate this. But as with other FM's, i'm not a big fan of the Hassle opponents as it doesn't feel very well implemented into the Match engine for me. It's been this way for a while, especially with the back line and their decision making on pressing. How are you finding the pressing against better teams? As i seem to end up chasing shadows.
  4. I must admit. Since the recent patch this is something i noticed more. I probably concede double the amount of goals from corners currently largely due to really poor headed clearances that result in a game of ping pong. Goal line scrambles happen multiple times a game for me currently with ricochet's left and right, plays seem reluctant just to clear it for a throw instead of trying up to clear up field and failing constantly.
  5. Thanks guys. I would have another source of goals via an inside forward too. Though unlike you Jack my advanced playmaker would be in the AM position, which makes me concerned that they will perhaps try to occupy the same space and get in each others way?
  6. Quick question. Has anyone had any success using a DLF/A with an AP behind them? I usually use a traditional number 9 but at the moment i am stuck with Kanoute who is most suited to a DLF and an AM who is an ideal playmaker. I've been experimenting with this with little success, obviously playmaker's don't get forward often and so the Kanoute has to rely on runs from the wings most of the time. Which brings me round to another question. Llama, you've used Giroud as an advanced forward. Does his lack of pace or dribbling ever course a problem for you in this circumstance? As you use pass into space do you ever find through balls being wasted trying to find Giroud as opposed to someone like Walcott? Kanoute has brilliant Mentals and good first touch and finishing but his physicals leave a lot to be desired. I'm hoping if i play him as an advanced forward his brilliant off the ball movement will allow him to have some success despite being horribly slow, has this been the case for Giroud?
  7. Yes. Most Definitely. I'm about to be promoted from the Bundesliga 2 to 1 and i use a quite attacking tactic with high pressure and quick transitions which has worked fine in the 2nd division as i am one of the better teams. Coming into the Top Division i am unsure whether to stick or twist. I'm not sure whether to prepare myself for a season of counter attacking or whether to keep my current tactics for the most part. Logic dictates that i'd have to defend more and be more solid at the back against better teams, but when i've played more defensively before we have struggled. I'm not confident my defense can soak up too much pressure. that said i cannot be as open as i have been this season so it would be nice to know how you approach things when the odds are against you and better teams stop you playing your ideal tactic, if that does happen of course.
  8. I've actually noticed the same thing. I'm conceding a lot more goals from set pieces recently. Can't think if it's from the update or earlier, but it's the majority of my conceded goals. A lot of the time it's panic clearances where my defenders will repeatedly try to smack it up field but keep hitting it at the opposition attackers until it eventually rebounds to someone with an open goal. The irritating part is that changing my corner tactics will not really help as these players are marked correctly, but my players have just stopped following runners recently. Bar getting new players it's got me rather stumped.
  9. I use a similar formation and have similar problems and always have. Playing a high pressure in a 4-2-3-1 with MC's just seems suicide most of the time for me, As once an opposition midfielder is behind your MC's it's very hard to pressure him without ruining your defensive line and opening yourself up. Also the fact that you don't push your D Line higher means said midfielder will have even more space to operate between your mid and defence I've spent the last few days trying to correct this but have been unable to with MC's. As Cleon says, 2 DMC's just seem to make better sense. Off the ball they will sit in front of the defence and provide a screen, and you can still get them to push forward. One of mine are a BWM/S with "get further forward" enabled. He was previously a Box to box in the MC position. The issue you have with the advanced forward can depend, and i still have trouble getting mine to be as prolific as i would like. Looking at your formation for me two things come to mind with your striker. Having two wingers both on attack may be ok if you've got a man who's good in the air, but he would be just as capable as a DLF/S at scoring headed crosses, but if you've got a faster striker like myself, the wingers will push the oppositions defensive line further back and so reducing the space your AF has to run into. You also have an AM which if i remember correctly, will try and burst forward and carry the ball more than say, an advanced playmaker, who will sit in the whole trying to find passes for your striker. If your gonna switch to DM's instead of MC's as well then i would worry about how your defence will connect to the attack as the wingers will be pushing on, and without wing backs, most play out of the back will have to funneled through your lone AM. Another point you may find is space again for your AF. If your a good team and most teams sit back against you, then there will likely be no space for him to run into, especially with the advanced wingers as well, so you may want to drop your D-line slightly. That is situational of course mind. This is from my limited knowledge so some of it may be incorrect. But i use a 4-2-3-1 deep with an IF/S - AP/S - W/A behind my advanced forward. I also ask my AF to run the channels with the hope of creating space for my IF to run into if it's there, other wise, my AP/s and IF/S provide most of the ammunition for my AF and my W/A stretches the play and gets behind the defence. That's the theory anyway!
  10. I believe retain possession will reduce tempo and route one will increase it. But shouting shorter passing or more direct changes passing directness and nothing else unless i'm mistaken?
  11. I tried a similar thing DaBossa, attacking with high closing down. I tried to transfer my team settings over from my 4-3-3 originally but i think the formation frankly is not ideal for an attacking quick tempo tactic. That's not to say it can't be done, anything is possible, but i've had painstaking difficulty trying to get that sort of tactic to work and have now resorted to a possession based tactic to see me through the season. I don't believe they'd be an issue with playing a high D-Line with high closing down, though i'd be worried about how your team close down opposition fullbacks, as stated earlier, a lot of the time my midfielders did not want to seem to come across to help my fullback out so it ended up with my Fullback moving from marking their winger to pressing their fullback and they'd just play a ball down the line and be in behind my defense. I'm curious if anyone "Plays Wider"? I've mixed feelings about using it and obviously it depends on the opposition, usually i use it as an offensive tool to try and open up stubborn defences, but with this formation i've been using it to get my midfielders closer to their wide men to allow easier closing down. I'll make a new post soon with my new tactic which seems to be working very effective suddenly, albeit i was forced to change my whole style of play to allow this.
  12. Having one of the CM's come over seems to be my biggest issue. Constantly my FB or Wing back are finding themselves in 2 v 1 situations against the oppositions fullback and winger while the midfield sit and watch. Short of telling the midfielders to man mark specific widemen or fullbacks i'm not sure how to get them to come over. Team is already on high closing down. I'm not sure if there's a correct way to do this or if the ME doesn't compensate for only having a lone wide defending player properly. It's not that the midfield are getting caught out, they're just not coming over at all half the time, when they're already behind the ball in the middle of the park and simply have to run over. Perhaps their work rate isn't good enough, but at 15 i'd of thought they'd at least consider coming over!
  13. I've started experimenting with a 4-1-3-2 in my 2nd Season in the MLS with Toronto and am struggling with it so far. I think a large reason for this is the style i'm trying to play, with heavy pressing and quick direct transition play, It's something i was concerned about when deciding to make the switch to the formation in pre-season, and my fears seem to have come true so far. It's very hard to play a pressing game when your midfielders have a lot of distance to cover to close down a winger or fullback. And after winning the ball back due to lack of width there's not much space at all against defensive teams to move the ball forward quickly. It's forcing me to reconsider my approach with it for this season and perhaps play a more possession based game as it seems far more suited to that, and my midfielders are technically very sound for the level. As Flere says, it seems to struggle with the offence side of things when opponents sit deep which is something i am experiencing a lot at the moment. I found it very difficult to break down a 4-4-2 with 2 DM's with it recently which required a lot of tweeking and on the fly experimenting. I think key to this as well is having some pretty capable wingbacks/fullbacks to provide the width. While mine provide the width in terms of movement, their attacking play can leave a lot to be desired. I've ended up retraining a left midfielder to better suit this. I don't suppose anyone has had any form of success with this using a none possession based system? I'm persevering with it for now, but have had a poor start to the season so may have to consider changing things up soon, though i am reluctant to do so.
  14. This. This is the bane of my time in La Liga, courtesy of Roberto Martinez. Twice a season i know i'm coming up against this, and i already know i'm facing a draw or a 1-0 loss. In my last game against this formation, i created a grand total of 3 chances, 2 were set pieces. I play a 4-2-3-1 myself on the counter for the most part, though i have tried both control and attacking against this tactic to little effect. So in terms of breaking it down my first thoughts are to overload the wing backs by exploiting the flanks. I've also set to play wider to try and pull their midfield apart a bit and my standard shouts are usually pass into space and get ball forwards. All to try and stretch the play a bit. I close down the Wingbacks and show them inside as their striker is very good in the air but also very slow. I also tight mark their most creative midfielder. This is what i am using currently: I've also tried a DLF against this formation and a 4-4-2 to try and give the 3 CB's more to think about. All my forward players have good intelligence so i've also tried giving them all free roles to try and drag markers around and find space, but ultimately whatever i've tried has brought me little success against it. Despite it looking defensive they have a lot of runners from midfield when they attack and come forward in quite a few numbers, though i've only really conceded against them due to set pieces or individual errors, its more the chance creating, or lack of that concerns me. So i'm curious so to how others would setup against this formation, what shouts they may use? Whether it would be worth trying a different formation all together for this game? It's only 2 games a season but i dread them more than any other game and over 4 seasons believe i have a mere 1 win against them, and my team are quite a bit better than theirs. Any help to ease my pain is appreciated!
  15. An issue i am finding is the amount of management and changes i have to put into each and every game, no matter the quality of the opposition. Which contradicts what i said above but still. Very rarely can i keep the tactic as it is with just a few shouts. Tiring frankly and i'm now starting look towards moving away from the 4-2-3-1. There are some teams i feel frankly due to my quality i should be causing trouble to with very little changes. It could be i'm just reading the situations wrong.
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