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So I took the formation you're using and tried to implement a high pressing and possession based fluid style of play. Let me know what you think. Beat Man City 2-1 with Arsenal having implemented the tactic the day before the match. Any constructive criticism will be greatly appreciated.
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One center back. Solid defense. Lots of goals. 7 players attacking. 2 halfbacks spraying passes. 1 center back covering. Check it out and let me know what you think
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Hmm didn't think about that. I haven't booted up the game so see what the hard-coded instructions are. I'm thinking of changing them to Advanced Playmakers then.
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20 hours ago, RenegadeMaster said:
Hi mate, are these changes different to the one you posted yesterday?
I gave the tactic you posted yesterday a go, albeit only for one game and we won 4-1 and played some decent stuff. I myself was going to try the AP / DLF pairing upfront and it worked quite well. I’ll give it a go for a few more games and let you know how it gets on. Good worK though mate.Yes, I'm trying to get them to pass the ball around more. So I added take less risks instruction to most of the players. this doesn't inhibit creativity rather it allows for the team to pass the ball around and then when space is created they will make that killer pass. This helps with creating chances for players. If players are given too much freedom to take more risks in their passing they will attempt audacious passes in every forward movement. This disrupts the flow of the team and doesn't allow the team to create as they don't play as a unit.
I've realized that most possession tactics on FM since the downfall of Barcelona's dominating passing play has resulted in a lot of possession, a lot of chances and minimal goals. This means that it needs to be reinvented.
I am going to change this tactic again and get the IW's to change to W's. The instructions will stay the same with hold the ball, take less risks and stay wider on for them. I feel the DLF can dictate play with the AP in the centre of the final third. Two IW's makes this area of the pitch more congested and disallows movement in and around the box. The Mezzala's and the IW's operate in the half space and they end up passing back and forth. Changing the IW's to W's allows the team to stretch the opposition.0 -
I've made these changes to the tactic. Let me know what you guys think...
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7 minutes ago, crusadertsar said:
I'm really glad it works for you man
Are you still testing it in FM20?
I wonder if there's something different with FM21. Because as of my 3rd season with Real Sociedad the tactic pretty much stopped being effective for me. So I've had the same experience as @RenegadeMaster. I'm close to giving up on it. Although my youth are doing well with it.
And we are not leaking too many goals. But my First Team just can't score goals. I wonder if it would work better with a different team. It is rather disenheartaninh because I invested a lot time and effort in this save
So I decided to rethink the tactic. I kept the formation. I changed the roles around a little bit. I changed the instructions but kept the main philosophy intact. I am attaching the formation to this post as well as some screenshots of the first three matches after I adopted this tactic. Familiarity was around 30%-40% for these three matches. I won all three scoring 6 goals and conceding 1.
Defensively, I instructed the team to force the opposition inside. This plays well with the Anchorman as he doesn't move from left to right too much and with this instruction players and the ball come to him rather than him going to them. I also changed the SK to Defend Duty so that he can have the take less risks instruction. This means the ball is played through the defence rather than losing possession with long kicks after the ball is passed back to the goalkeeper by a defender.
Offensively, I made many changes. You can see them when you download the tactic. The diamond shape was kept intact and possession was above 70% for one match, above 60% for one match and above 50% for one match. Also please keep in mind that my team is not the best as I have chopped and changed tactics during my second season every 3 games. I am going to keep at it with this tactic and keep you informed.
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8 minutes ago, crusadertsar said:
Well actually the problem that we are facing is more not about leaking goals but not scoring enough. Trust me the set up with one CB and one Anchorman is just fine defensively for me.
And no you don't need a super star in CB role. I do just fine with Eric Garcia.
How about this?
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22 minutes ago, RenegadeMaster said:
I made some tweaks to the set up as you can see below:
I did try using the second striker again as I was not scoring goals, however he was not doing anything so I changed back to the AM. Possession stats are back up to 65-70% per game after a big dip last season and pre tweak. These are the results so far:
I have a nagging feeling that long term it is going to be very difficult for this tactic to be successful mainly due to the opposition sitting back and hitting a long ball up and behind the sole CB. This was the case in my only two league defeats so far and they also happen to be against two of the better teams in the league - dominate the game, fail to take chances and get caught on the counter. Average positions of most games there is a diamond in the midfield other than the AZ game where we just got pulled to bits and the average positions is all over the place.
Lets be realistic here.
22 minutes ago, RenegadeMaster said:I made some tweaks to the set up as you can see below:
I did try using the second striker again as I was not scoring goals, however he was not doing anything so I changed back to the AM. Possession stats are back up to 65-70% per game after a big dip last season and pre tweak. These are the results so far:
I have a nagging feeling that long term it is going to be very difficult for this tactic to be successful mainly due to the opposition sitting back and hitting a long ball up and behind the sole CB. This was the case in my only two league defeats so far and they also happen to be against two of the better teams in the league - dominate the game, fail to take chances and get caught on the counter. Average positions of most games there is a diamond in the midfield other than the AZ game where we just got pulled to bits and the average positions is all over the place.
I think from a realistic point of view playing with one centerback is possible only if you have a 5 star centreback with technicals, mentals and physicals averaging 16 for a ball playing defender. The only way I see this working would be with two cdms playings as halfbacks acting as a false backline. The centerback would effectively play as a sweeper. Very similar to how RDF tactics set up his Arsenal side to play with one centerback.
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1 minute ago, crusadertsar said:
Oh right! I was confused. Thought your question was whether you can play libero with only one centreback partner.
So if this was done, your tactic could be changed to Libero(A) and DC-R(C). IWB-L(S) and IWB-R(S). CM(S) and CM(S). IW-L(A) and IW-R(A). F9(S).
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2 minutes ago, crusadertsar said:
It does but only when you play them off-centre I'm pretty sure.
Just checked it now, you can play a Libero in central defence without any other centerbacks if he is positioned in the middle of the centerback pairing. It IS an option guys hahahahaha
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10 hours ago, gam945 said:
Really nice thread and ideas here...
My love of Dutch Total football and German Gegenpressing combined to my stubbornness to use 4-4-2 actually led me to try form this 3-3-1-3 shape from...a 4-4-2.
So here's my idea:
First draft of the tactic would be:
F9-su AM-at IW-su DLP-de CAR-su W-su FB-su BDP-de BPD-co IWB-de
It may yield to an asymmetrical diamond, but I think this could be attenuated by having different type of players in each sides...anyway for now it's just a seed of an idea...I'm actually curious if any have tried to get the 3-3-1-3 from another formation...
I think that you have to try and create a tactic with one centerback as it is the main aim of this thread! More specifically toying around with the tactic created by the OP.
Otherwise, for your tactic I believe you should try to focus play on the left so that you can create a third man through an effective overload on the right. I also suggest you try changing the DR-IWB to S instead of D. This would help get him further up the pitch while the ball is on the left hand side so that the winger and the rightback create that much adored overload on the right handside. Another thing I would try out would be to change the AM to a LCAM just behind the F9 and change him to an advanced playmaker support. This would lead to more passes on the left hand side and drag more players towards the passes again helping to create that right handside overload. Of course, I haven't tested any of this out and I am going on a limb here but it could work.
Let me know how it goes and whether my suggestions created more good than bad! KEEP TWEAKING! :P0 -
15 hours ago, Beerwulf said:
Random thought while trying to get to sleep...
Has anyone considered an asymmetric back line with a libero?
DL/IWB-D -------- DC/L-A --- DRC/BPD --- DR/WB-D
This might get the 1-3 shape in attack, but the roles of the fullbacks might need tweaking.
Does the game allow for a Libero to be played without a centerback to the left and to the right?
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5 hours ago, Beerwulf said:
Nice idea, but you're missing a player
Edit: and having an offset DM breaks the IWBs
You my friend have the eyes of an eagle hahahahah
I play a 2-3-1-3-1 with inverted wingbacks and inverted wingers.
I win games score goals concede minimal amounts but I want one cb not two.
If you have any ideas as to what could work let me know! (Total Arsenal tactic attached)0 -
Why don't you guys try making the formation assymetric? So something like this:
CFL(A)
IWL(S) SSR(A)
CML (S) WMR(S)
HBR(D)
IWBL(S) DCL(C) IWBR (S)
SK(S)
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Playing On The Edge: Dominating Possession with only one CB
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I used the structure of the team of 3-1-2-3-1. I tried to create more variety in terms of attacking and trying to nullify the counter-attack of opponents.