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3 hours ago, sporadicsmiles said:
What on earth are you talking about here? Nagelsmann is not a possession oriented coach. He favours quick transitions and direct passing to create chances. RBL average a shade over 51% possession. So clearly this is not possession oriented football (Bayern are north of 60%). This season Nagelsmann has used both 4 and 3 at the back, so they are not specifically playing a 442 all the time. You can go and watch some games to see this. In fact I am pretty sure they played 3 at the back against Tottenham in the 3-0 win in the UCL. You have to watch just a little bit of RBL to see they are a vertical side, who want to get the ball forward as quickly as they can. Which, incidentally, is perfect for a 442. If you are going to throw shade at other users, at least understand the thing you are trying to talk about.
So would you like a reason why the 442 is not really great for a possession setup? It is quite obvious. You want strong midfield support and lots of passing options. In a 442, you do not have that so much. You would want to drop a striker back to get involved, at which point you are moving to a 4231. You can make a possession based tactic with a 442 if you want, but there are better ways to do it.
Why is it good for vertical passing styles? Well, you have two strikers, and any two striker system is going to be good vertically. Two players for the defenders to deal with, more options for moving forwards, more players moving and creating space for themselves and each other. While there is no set rule on which formation to use for which style, there are certain styles favoured by certain formations.
Now I have dealt with that nonsense, my question to the OP is this. Why do you want to play with a passing style? What type of passing style? What do you want to gain from your possession?
These are important questions. It is not hard to rack up huge passing numbers in FM20, but it is harder to have those passes in a dangerous part of the pitch. So the question is what do you want to achieve by the possession you create? Is it purely defensive (they cannot score if you have the ball). Are you trying to break down defensive sides with overloads, player movement and side to side passes? If you can define what you want to achieve, usually the path to achieve it also becomes clearer.
I watch every single match from RB Leipzig since 2014 season so maybe don't talk loud when you have no idea. Watch games vs Mainz 8-0, Cologne 4-1 and 3-0 after 25 minutes, Paderborn 3-0 after 20 minutes. Teams that just defend and give ball to Leipzig so games where they had big problems with Hasenhuttl and only won because of set pieces with Rangnick. This is POSSESSION FOOTBALL WITH INTENT or verticality or whatever at the very top. Nobody talks about Tottenham game, you know why they can play like this now because they can make Halstenberg as half defender and Angelino as Wingback. When they played 3-5-2 with normal CBs and Halstenberg Wingback against Bayern in August they got destroyed switched to 4-4-2 at HT and dominated should've won.
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On 27/03/2020 at 01:14, ElK15 said:
Leipzig has just 53% Possession. Which is way less than Bayern, Dortmund and Leverkusen. Furthermore they play at least half of their games in some variations of 3-5-2 which is obvious better as a possesion tactic. When you are on a vendetta against someone you should get your facts straight.
Lmao people are really clueless and even like that. Just because you go on whoscored or whatever and it says 3-5-2 you aren't smart. I watch every single of their games. I'm not talking about since January where they have Angelino as Wing Back. I'm talking about the stretch after Freiburg loss they only played bad teams and Dortmund in the league and absolutely destroyed everyone with 4-4-2 "possession with intent" football. Could've won 6-7:0 against Paderborn and Cologne as well if they played seriously more than 30 minutes.
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Just now, Experienced Defender said:
I warmly advise you to abstain from trolling threads.
Thanks.
Lol trolling? Facts hurt for SI moderator, I see.
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22 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:
Honestly, this tactic is definitely not my cup of tea. It's neither well balanced, nor does it have a clear tactical identity.
You play all 3 forward players on attack duty, but at the same time depriving them of space.
Some of your team instructions are possession-oriented, but the setup of roles and duties definitely is not.
Defensive compactness is less than optimal, which means your players will need to cover proportionally more space when defending (especially as the attacking trio is probably not going to help in defense a lot).
You always want balance balance fact is you don't win *** with balance you can maybe at best not underachieve and maybe that's an achievement for people even in easy FMs 19 and 20 but it's crazy that you get mod for spamming this.
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Lol this guy says 4-4-2 not good for possession when Leipzig rampaged through defensive low block teams with crazy offensive output and beautiful football.
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37 minutes ago, (sic) said:
Nah honestly I've seen his previous post. Just looks like a troll.
" This is tactics from pep guardiola the king himself made in this game as good as it gets and mancity is the best team in the world "
you are the troll here trying to act like you dont understand? mancity not best team in the world? look here https://understat.com/league/EPL/2019
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23 minutes ago, BadAss88 said:
3 advanced playmakers?
yes playmaker thats how tikitaka is done bernardo silva, debrunye and david silva for example
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I dont know why the guys from sports interactive delete my post just because I show them how unrealistic their game but now Ill show you my tactic and so please tell me why 11 loses from 12 games. This is tactics from pep guardiola the king himself made in this game as good as it gets and mancity is the best team in the world so why 11 loses from 12 games and sacking? Help please
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maybe but how can you have crazy issues in your skin so that the games/goals stats are only based on the league games and cup games from the last season? either include all or only league games
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When I get the transfer budget in May, does it already include all the instalments that I have to pay (or receive) in July. I have 180 Mio budget and want to buy a player for around 130 now, I fear that in July all the payments for instalments get deducted and then I don't have enough budget?
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Terrible customer support here, such crazy issues and nobody cares?
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4 minutes ago, opgen22 said:
Only as an educated guess, as there is a lot more room in the screenshot in the start post, I think it is due to the resolution of your screen. If you play on a laptop for example, I'm not sure if there's anything you can do, as most skins are designed for bigger i.e. higher resolution screens.
that was part of my guess as well but I remember in earlier games you could just change the resolution but not possible here somehow (and my laptop is already on the highest resolution 1920x1080)
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its wrong thread, sorry its YACS skin I posted there as well, it looks totally different than in the pictures, like there's a beautiful section around the picture and stuff and heres nothing.
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This skin doesn't look like promised in the start post at all. I deleted all the other skins even and still it looks so terrible.
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This looks nothing like promised in the start post. I tried everything even deleting all the other skins, but it still looks so terrible like this.
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Is there something wrong with "possession play" in FM?
in Tactics, Training & Strategies Discussion
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Correct because I'm right. Just cause you dont like me dont change facts. I watch every game. Just watch goals and Highlights from Mainz game or even Hoffenheim 3-1. What is this if not POSSESSION WITH INTENT or what you like to call it. Counter Attacking? Against team that comes to you and wants to defend?
Cologne 69%
Berlin 62% AWAY
Dusseldorf 70% AWAY
Mainz 68%
Zenit 64% AWAY
Just because people like me and Nagelsmann aren't the average FM player who thinks one tactics wins them all games and they can also defend and counter attack at Bayern, Dortmund or sit back with early or decisive leads like in Paderborn or against Hoffenheim so they have average of 50 something doesnt change what they can do with bad and average teams and that's all because Nagelsmann is awesome possession and play with ball coach.