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  1. Hey everyone this is my first time creating a topic in this forum but im really exciting to share my tactical experience with you guys and show you some wonderful stuff this post has helped me a lot and a lot of the ideas have come from here @Experienced Defender also learned a lot from experienced defender mainly the defensive side of football and how to make your team rock solid in the defence also using Total football analysis from YouTube helped a lot Klopp, the genius on counter pressing and counter attacking football! 1:Pressing systems During his time in Dortmund, his style of play was a lot different from what it is now. Klopp's Dortmund focused on transition moments, his approach was to quickly press the opposition after loosing the ball this is obviously called "Gegenpressing" and after winning it back to quickly transition from defence to attack but in order to execute this properly his team had to play a narrow shape and this is why in his Dortmund team he tended to play or regain possession more through one side of the pitch. as you can see in this picture they were focusing play down the right side of the pitch and pressing there also. At Liverpool Klopp's pressing approach became even more proactive with sometimes also using a mid-press mainly to set up pressing traps, Horizontal passes are also a pressing trigger. They use the wingers (mane, salah) to start the press by forcing the centre backs to play into central areas but in order to do this he had to change his formation to a 4-3-3. forcing teams to go central and eventually forcing them to go long. 2: Attacking what changed for Klopp when he joined Liverpool Attacking at Dortmund was easier then attacking with Liverpool, because Dortmund was a bit more passive, teams played more aggressive against Dortmund allowing Klopp to create majority of their chances from counter attacks. Klopp was forced to improve his tactics he could no more use a narrow attacking shape with players shifting towards one side of the pitch. So he changed by overloading the central areas of the pitch and the half spaces and position 1 winger in each side. here the central midfielders are the key for allowing your fullbacks to get up really high, this is very similar to peps inverted full backs but instead Klopp uses his midfielders to play this role instead of his full backs. very simple why this is because Arnold and Robertson are a lot stronger out wide their crossing abilities and pace are just to good to be put in the midfield. Teams have to be really good to play against these types of system because they have to choose to either give up central areas of the pitch or cover wide areas either way one of them will be free and with these type of players available you will get punished for it. 3: The tactic! "This is probably the closest I've got to replicating a real life tactic" It might not be perfect but its pretty damn close and the results are just unreal As you can see in this picture Wijnaldum like the inverted wingback is covering the left side for Roberston and Henderson will do the same if we are playing on the right side of the pitch but I've giving Henderson a bit more freedom to get in the box especially against park the buss teams. The counter pressing system Its very hard to create a pressing trap like liverpool in FM at least from my experience (if someone knows please teach me!) The pressing can change sometimes just like Klopp does as well if I see a team who is playing from the back I rise my Defensive line to "much higher" and a "Higher line of engagement" But if teams are playing more direct and not playing from the back I change this to "higher defensive line" and a "normal line of engagement" I most of the time never use prevent short goal keeper distribution I feel this turns my pressing from my front 3 to aggressive giving the opponent a quicker passing option to their full backs The front 3 reason for the front 3 was simple 1: Pressing was way better especially using roles like pressing forwards these are roles built for Gegenpressing 2: I want my front 3 inside the box and using the half spaces 3: gives my wing backs even more room I've played 19 games so far with this tactic and salah is my top goal scorer with 15 goals, with Mane as my second best scorer with 12 goals, firmino with 9 scored The midfield 3 Ball winning midfielders again a role built to win the ball back quickly Wijandum with defence duty simple because Roberston is more attacking I want him to cover that space Instructions: "Stay wider" note he has "hold position" built into the role so it gives him the position we seen earlier in the post Henderson another BWM but this time as support he does the same thing but sometimes he pops into the box after Robertson crosses and scores some awesome goals Instructions: "Stay wider", "Shot less often", "drible less" Fabinho his the heartbeat of the team usually the player giving those killer balls to Roberston on the left for the cross No PI's The back four Simple back 4 especially for the type of players Liverpool have it makes sense Arnolds WB Instructions: More direct passing, cross more often, cross from deep And this is also why I went with BPD on the left simple because "More direct passing" on Arnold " by the way Arnold has 23 assists in 19 games" A lot of my goals have come from Counter attacks and crosses Team instructions I play around with some games but I mainly only change the out of possession like I mentioned in the "The counter pressing system" Hope everyone enjoys reading this and feel free to ask questions. Go test this out with other teams like I said I've only played 19 games with this tactic but so far its unstoppable
  2. in my experience PFa works better then a AF as a lone striker yes
  3. So obviously you can always try up the mentality but I think the problem is the AFa role is not the best as lone striker keep your back line as it is I think theres no problems there PFa IWs Ws BBM APA or PFa IWs Ws DLPs CMa PFa IWs Ws APs CMa PFa IWs Ws BBM APa all these can work but its all depending on the players you have for the roles but give one of these a try and see how it goes
  4. theres a few ways to get higher possession against teams who just pass around: 1.You can try an even more aggressive press in your front 3 players I tend to "press more" and "tackle harder" it can work but sometimes it can be to aggressive but it can work 2. look at scout reports I find the teams I lose possession to are the ones playing on a low mentality especially "defensive" mentality so I tend to go into these games by lowering the mentality of my own team go "balanced" so your players take less risk and keep hold of the ball longer before attempting an attack 3. Your tactic is not bad but you have no playmaker in your tactic so your players will naturally play a higher tempo football without a playmaker, try witsel as DLP on support and move CMd to your right midfielder and change your IFS to inverted winger you can even change Hakimi to FBA see how it goes!
  5. You have to think and ask your self if the AMC is doing what you want him to do, if so its not a problem and if the tactic is working its ok
  6. in my opinion having played in a few teams in the German league.... its hard to play possession football because of gengenpress a lot of teams do it there
  7. so I've tried the pre set (fluid counter attack) and it just doesn't seem to work, at least i'm not seeing what I want to see, for example winning the ball in our third then running at them with pace with short passes, most of the time when we win the ball back my players just hoof it up field like they are clearing the ball from danger. currently playing with lille in the French division, I watched videos on how they set up their tactic (last years Lille with Pepe) and Im trying to recreate somewhat close to their style which to me looks close to a fluid counter attack not sure if possible but this kind of football really is amazing to watch if anyone has tips on how I can recreate something like this id appreciate it
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