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  1. This is just a copy from what i wrote last on the fm support ticket so they have everything in this topic ... I have made this second thread on the forum cause the first time i got anwsered i was told to move it to bugs topics and didn't an anwser there so this is my main topic now ... look this mechanic simply doesn't work due to every high level personality getting downgraded ... ever since fm 16 this makes the game unplayable for me ... so im going to write what this mechanic does from the players point of view: 1.it kills all your wonderkids great personalities(if you dont find the squad leaders with better ones which is in most cases impossible in the saves that last longer then 4 or 5 years) 2. Second thing it does is forces you to buy the same good tutor players all the time if you dont want the wonderkid personality stats to go down which simply makes the game unfun and tedious plus it really isn't all that realistic no matter how you look at it ... 3. Ok now 3 is the example ... i play with chelsea i have lets say 10 new wonderkids(all great personalities lets say model professional or something) that i just bought from other clubs so now what i need to do to let them keep those personalities is to sell half my team(for example hazard kovacic arizzabalaga and others) and then if this isn't stupid enough i need to buy players like phil jones and somehow make him a team leader and same goes for other like him ... without that the stats of the wonderkids simply downgrade to get closer to the teamleaders personality stats which is just no sustainable long term or is but it completely takes the fun out of the game ... as i said in fm 16 this mechanic wasnt implemented yet and i had variety of personalities in my squad plus different players in every save that is fun ... this right now is just a choir to play at least for me ... so im hoping this mechanic gets taken out as soon as possible to give the player his choice back not limit him completely ... this is football manager not manifacture personalities if you want to keep them in the game manager ... thank you in advance ...
  2. if they are under 150 they can still come to chelsea if they are young enough and have a high enough potencial ability ... but yeah as in my save you only have to useful tutors existing therefore i can see a trend here that the personalities are slowly but surely getting worse through time ... which kind of proves my point in this topic again ... but it would still be interesting to see what you find out as i have most of the countries set to active at least the top and mid tier european ones and south american ones such as the brazillian and argentinian leagues ... would love to hear what happens in your save ...
  3. oh and sorry i forgot to write on this part ... i already sent the save but i sent it to fm support is that okay or do i need to do it how you mentioned aswell ... in 2045 as i made my check of the save there where only 2 tutors that have 18 in all 3 major personality stats and could tutor in a club like chelsea without them being to low in ca to have an effect ... as for the other 2 they are from countries like denmark and argentina which mosty if not always spawn 18 year olds which means that when they spawn they are already top tier(because of the age they get a boost in ca from the very start opposed to the 16 year olds that spawn in top level countries) players at their club and therefore not as affected by this mechanic ...
  4. my point exactly ... this mechanic is making a game a choir for me not something i wanna do for fun
  5. i didnt say that fm gods should even touch the stats you misread that one ... i want them to remain static but i want the fm gods to create high potential players(and low) with varied stats in personality and have us decide who to and no to buy ... like it was in fm 16 ... as i said i didn't use any tutoring and the personalities were very high in my team because there where so many high potencial players with different personalities that i could simply choose who to bring in ... fm 16 felt natural to because of this cause the players that reached their potencial where either high level personality wise or had to make up it with alot of game time ... that's fair isn't it ? yet this squad dynamic personality change mechanic makes everything feel like a choir ... like i have to upkeep the high personality team leaders just for my wonderkids to have a chance of being close to the same level of personality of a phil jones(no ronaldo a damn phil jones) ... manufacturing personalites from my player is not the reason i play this game and simply takes away from the football part of it ... as i wrote in my save that i manage chelsea i have hazard kepa and kovacic as my team leaders how do i keep my youth players from losing their 19 20 determination for instance without selling them ? its simply not possible which is my main reason for hating this mechanic as it is to limiting personality wise ... you need to get rid of even the decent personality players just so you dont destroy your youth ... with this mechanic in place the game doesnt feel realistic at all ... you make players look like good little stupid soliders that become or al least come very close to what their leader is and this is literally the most correct description of this mechanic ... if this is realistic to you i would like to have a good long talk with the sports interactive psychologist that developed this mechanic as i am a psychologist myself and i completly disagree with how you portray personalites in this game and their changes ... people develop their personalities of who they are through genetics and from their environment till the age of 16 or 18 after that they become less susceptible to changing their personality just cause they work with certain different personalites of people and im not saying they can't change but they usually dont ... the only real thing that causes notable or high personality changes in life are traumatic events ... as i know this is hard or impossible to replicate in a game i wont flame this mechanic but simply propose a solution to solve my problems with you keeping this mechanic in the game so those who feel that it works can enjoy it ... i personally dont ... SOLUTION : Simply put an option button at the start of every save if you want this mechanic to be in the game or not like you did with attribute masking .... PROBLEM SOLVED ... and till you make this mechanic better i can simply untick the option and have fun my way ... is that not a reasonable fix ?
  6. I must say i agree with your statements if only to some extent ... look first of all let me adress the main problem you have with what i wrote which will in turn make my arguement even stronger ... ronaldo is an extreme as you said and i agree completely and i don't want there to be a 1000 people like him running around the game personality wise that's not the point that im trying to make ... but ronaldo is an extreme even compared to the people you've mentioned and in a documentary when some of those players talked about him they also say they have never seen professionalism and workrate as high as his in their life ... so it would be safe to assume that ronaldo when he came to the club was already a higher player then most of these people in terms of his personality attributes(ambition determination and professionalism) and he definetly wasn't a team leader in his early years at the club as most do say he was considered a show pony of the primier league in his early years ... therefore if we translate this situation into football manager with this certrain squad dynamics personality change mechanic in place he would join the club at 18 years of age where he would would be influenced by the 3 top dogs at the club which were(i dont really know who were the top 3 so you can choose the names giggs,neville whoever) and lets say these guys are at best in the 18s maybe some 19s when it comes to their personality stats(amb det prof) ... in this case in the corse of 2 years he would with your mechanic keep in mind never be able to keep his stats ... and yes he would not lose his perfectionist perosnality as a result but he would lose the personality stats that make him who he is ... instead of 60 in all stats he would have 58 ... therefore this mechanic simply does not work well on the high end of the personality ladder but simply aims to keep things at a constistent statistical average level ... and i competely agree that this is an extreme as everybody is well aware but lets take this back a notch and talk about how this mechanic afects or rather influeces that youth players in a normal team ... my team is chelsea my leaders are hazard kovacic and kepa arrizabaga ... which dont have bad personality stats but dont have great ones ... which in turn forces me to sell them in order to give my wonderkids the best personality possible for them and the next generation that they will mentor ... so this is the big problem for me if i want to make my club into a high level personality one i need to sell the players i like the most simply because the squad personality change mechanic doesn't give me much choice which to me feels booring and gives no room for imagination and creativity of squad building ... i simply need to buy the same tutor all the time like phil jones and ronaldo ... this is my whole point ... and for this i dont really need to send any saves even doe i can cause you already mentioned how this mechanic works ... the main fact of the matter is that with this mechanic in place the game has a tedious feel to it always having to upkeep the main team leaders personality to the highest in order to give your wonderkid the best chance of prosphering ... its just not fun no matter how realistic or unrealistic it is ... take fm 2016 as an example when this mechanic was not yet in place ... you didn't need to watch who you buy all the time you could just buy whoever you want and it didnt really afect anybody else so my team was full of varied personality types which feels natural to me and i could just have fun with the game instead of always watching in fear which of my youth prospects are gonna get killed by this mechanic ... the most natural solution to this would be to simply put this mechanic out of the game and maybe even taking the mentoring aspect out it aswell and letting the gods of fm decide what kind of high potencial players will inhabit the great virtual pitch with you being the person to decide if its worth it to give lower personality players the game time that they need to reach their potencial(this way a ronaldo could spawn naturaly but would be a rare thing to behold yet there will at least be a chance of it happening where in this current state i don't belive it can) i am also willing to send any and all saves that i have to you without any problems if you really want them even doe i doubt it will really fix the issue that i have with the game cause i feel that you are well aware of how the game mechanics work ... this is not a bug simply a limitation of the game experience ...
  7. second post is that i have been anwsered by SI which told me to move the conversation to bugs i did didnt get any reply or any true anwser ... so whats your point exactly ? ...
  8. guess you like to go off topic mate ... look my post is about the simple fact that this squad dynamics personality mechanic is flawed by default ... lets say you simulate the game 30 years in advance and you take over whichever club you want and that same year 3 20 in all prof ambition and determination players spawn ... tell me how you as you seem to have a lot of posts(most likely not helpful ones) would make at least one of these players keep these personality stats ... let me enlighten you ... you cant ... cause the game completely destroys the chance of a godlike personality player existing even a great one for that matter ... therefore a player personality wise like phil jones cannot exist let alone messi and ronaldo ... how is that acceptable to you or anyone for that matter is beyond me ... look i dont need my team to be all 20 in every personality attribute ... but if i ever find that 199 pa player with ronaldos 20 in det prof and amb i damn sure want to keep it that way ... of course you will probably always have perfectionists in the game but never to a level close to ronaldos level ... and that to me is unacceptable cause i want to at least have a chance of finding one player like that without him losing any of his stats because of this broken mechanic ...
  9. seems that you don't get my point or you never checked your saves with fm genie scout ... go check your youth players and first team players with genie scouts and tell me how many out of them have 18 in all det amb and prof ... i would say not many ... i can get my personalities to a good level with no real problem but thats not my problem with the game and if you paid any attention to what i was writing about you would understand that thats not my problem with the game ... look this mechanic is terrible due to the fact that if you fast forward a save for lets say 30 50 years there will be no great tutors ... not even on phil joneses level let alone ronaldos ... it has nothing to do with bad team management ... im saying that even if you get super lucky and get a godlike 199 pa player with proff amb and det at 20 in a long term save you will have no chance in hell of keeping it that way cause no tutor will exist to help him keep his personality stats ... cause if you dont pass on the god personality of ronaldo to another player and then another theres no chance of a player of the same personality to ever exist which in term effectivly limits the potential of the game itself ... if you for instance put tutoring out of the game and put out this mechanic aswell i would have no problem with it cause then theres at least a chance of getting a player similar to ronaldo in personality and potencial ability but with this mechanic there is none ... cause your youth players will if ofcourse spawned with an extreme personality lose their personality cause there will be noone on their level(in terms of personality) ..................................................... you get my point now ? ...
  10. ok you are anwsering my question what happens ... but you are not anwsering how that is realistic ... ? as i pointed out if ronaldo with the same personality and potential ability was 16 year old in fm he would never be able to keep his personality in fm ... yet in real life he did ... why because he had the kind of personality from a young age and nobody could change that ... i ask myself how many of you that are anwsering my questions know anything about psychology ? ... like seriously ... has seb wassell or you hunter simulated the game 100 years in advance ? ... i did ... nobody when checked every 10 years had half the personality that ronaldo has on the game ... if having a team of all 20 in personality(important ones) traits is unrealistic not having any is aswell therefore the game with this mechanic is flawed ... simple as that this isn't spaming but i just want my questions and solution seen and i what my questions anwsered directly no sidelining ... last time i gave him all the pictures that he needed and he wanted a save so i sent a save to fm support and what happened ? nothing ?!!!! ....this mechanic is flawed ... as i explained with the ronaldo example and the 100 year test ... you get perfectionists sometimes but unless you buy ronaldo himself you will never get a 20 in all stats and i mean never ... not one in 1000 years of fm19 ... how is that realistic ? ... i understand that you made the tutoring worse fine by me ... but this mechanic is destroying every godlike personality wonderkid(even if hes born 20 in all personality stats he will not be able to keep them no matter what ... so no good tutour will be born for the future only average ones that arent even on the level of phil jones professional 18 in all important stats personality let alone ronaldo) ... NOW I WANT YOU TO ANWSER THIS QUESTION ... how can i get good tutors on the level of phil jones(not ronaldo) in the future(lets say if i started a save 100 years in the future) if every teams personality will destory every single potential tutor that will be born... please anwser only this last question ... you dont need any saves or anything for this to be anwsered prove me wrong please???? ...
  11. Ever since the fm 17 this game is dead to me and all because of one simple mechanic in the game that should be thrown out ... none of my mates that play fm like it and i have no clue why it should be in fm and now i want a good anwser ... the mechanic is the team personality(or the team leaders personality) effecting the youth players and players under a certain age ... this mechanic literally destroys the option of making your own choices in the game ... let me explain ... ronaldo is a perfecionist with 20 in all the important personality stats like determination ambition and professionalism ... if you dont buy him to your club a player like that cannot exist anymore cause even if you find a youth player with those kind of personality stats he will get downgraded with time cause of the overall team personality(or team leader personality) ... and that feels at least to me as totally restricting ... this mechanic makes no sense ... for instance one of my team leaders is hazard i love hazard but if i want my wonderkids personality stats to improve in need to sell hazard and get a player like ronaldo or phil jones(who the hell wants phil jones in his or her team) ... conclusion: if you want a good personality team in the future(keep in mind i only do long term saves) you need to sell everybody you like and get in the same boring players every year which means i have no choices to make cause of course in a long term save i need to do whats best for the future ... so my questions are ... whats the point of this mechanic ? if its for realism? cause that definetly is not the case cause with this mechanic if ronaldo was 18 instead of 34 in fm 19 he would lose the personality traits that make him the world beater that he is today(in real life and in the game) ... so this isn't fun or realistic its just tedious and unimaginitive will this mechanic be in fm 20? this is a dead end mechanic that from my point of view should be taken out immidietly no questions asked! Now i want a good counter argument to prove me wrong cause i play this game for the fantasy of it and you destroy any chance i have of building a squad im dreaming of when i play this game ... SOLUTION: this mechanic should have an on/off button before you start the game like attribute masking so everyone can be happy to do what he or she wants ... (wonder if anyone would leave this on to be honest)
  12. im struggling yes... but prove me wrong in this case and if you can't ? hmmm change this maybe ... in your game can another player like ronaldo exist without him being tutored by him ... im talking personality wise ofcourse ... the anwser is HELL NO!! ... why ? cause this squad dynamic perosnality drop/increase mechanic(WORST MECHANIC INTRODUCED TO FM OVER THE YEARS) will destroy any newgen that is introduced into the game ... even if a 200pa 20 det 20 pro 20amb player is spawned he will never be able to keep his stats in personality no matter what you do or who he gets mentored by ... which makes the game itself flawed in the longterm... lets say you cant buy ronaldo with your llm team gloucester city in the years till his retirement ... you will have no chance to get the perfect personality(20 in prof ambi det) in the game again that in turn means that you have no chance to reach perfection that is ronaldo ... and maybe having the whole team have this kind of personality is unrealistic fine no problem ... but i atleast want a chance to in the 30 years of playing a save to find a player that can have this level of perfection but in the current state of the game its impossible ... MY POINT BEING THIS MEACHANIC INTRODUCED IN FM 17 THAT PLAYERS PERSONALITIES CHANGE BASED ON THE TEAM IS TERRIBLE AND SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT IMMIDIETLY ... REASONS: that in your game the perfect player can't exist and even if spawned he will never be able to stay that way ... but if this point of view is to radical i would like to point out the biggest flaw that this mechanic brings to the table ... it limits you completly in terms of who to buy and to be honest its annoying you can't buy and normal personality godtier player cause if you do your next generation is fu**** due to him being so terrible in certain personality stats ... you cant buy mbappe if you want all these personlity atributes at 18 for instance ... your only choice is a player like phil jones ... i mean seriously ? ... who in their right mind would like to buy phil jones ... but in this current state of the game you have little to no choice when it comes to this ... i didnt even care about this in fm 15 to be honest... cause if you bought low personality players in fm 15 it didnt kill my regens off ... but this game forces you to play a certain way that is unenjoyable ... please change this ...
  13. i feel that this is the worst edition of the game since well ever ... my reasons ? every year i try to build the perfect squad both in terms of personality and overall ca ... this year the tutoring(mentoring) got nerfed which would be fine if the game wouldn't suddenly decide to drop my determination ambition and proff levels for no reason and i mean NOOO reason ... i build a squad of extremly high level of all those 3 stats yet for no good reason my top regens randomly lose those stats ... why because people want realism ? are you kidding me ... the amount of good regens is much lower this year espacially with good personalities and even if you get a few of them and mentor them patiently you can get f***** by the randomness of the game ... not to mention how much the squads overall pesonality limits those who want to sign for instance naingollan who is terrible in proffesionalism ... but i got over that fact now they put even more randomness to the game ... this is the first year im thinking of quiting this game for good cause it has become too annoying to play even doe its looks far better then other editions of the game(major plus are the tactics) the game limits you in tooo many ways to be considered fun ... SOLUTION: No player should gain or lose determination/and other personality traits based on your team or random factors ... mentoring should be the only way you gain or lose these personality stats which will give you a reason to buy good mentors and not take your choice away as for who you have to buy to get good overall personality ... overall i trust that this might not be an issue for most but im personally someone who likes control over his game and dont want random BS destroying my experience ... if nothing else give me/us and option to play like this like you have with attribute masking ... and if someone doesnt likes this or does he can choose the way he wants to play ... im trying to make a team of everybody being over 190 ca and having 20 in proff ambition and determination to dominate world football with(without ingame editor cheats which is almost impossible in the previous versions let alone this broken one) ... 3 other minor issues for me are: no more club value since 2016 edition which is annoying for ooohh so many reasons ... and the match engine favoring home advantage far toooo much tactics like gegenpressing are tooo OP ... the win rate should be 80% dependent on the team and 20% on tactic ... which should make sense ... in my current save jurgen's liverpool is destroying europe even doe i have a godlike team as juventus and everytime i meet him he can win 4:0 for no reason when i play my tika taka style or counter of anything other then gegenpressing ... even when i tried to sim forward in time he left liverpool and went to athletic bilbao and he dominated europe not as effectivly as liverpool but still more then unrealisticly enough to be annoyed ... paulo dias is an example for the drop in ambition and proffesionalism for no good reason 5th jan 2023 and 18 jan 2023 in pictures went for 17 17 in both stats to 13 13 ... making him(a future godlike player useless for me just cause of his personality) this mechanic should never have been introduced into the game ... goor or great regens should be spawned with decent personalities to great personalities that can only be changed by tutoring/mentoring ... not by squad overall personality ...
  14. Forgot to post dynamics my bad ... Due to these dynamics on 5th jan and 15th jan i think there is no good reason for this sudden drop ... all players have greater stats then 13 13 in proff and ambition ... i want you to prove me wrong or fix this game that's all i want cause i love fm and want to play it my way and not be limited by randomness ...
  15. i checked the dynamics and there is absolutely no good reason for the drop in proff and ambition at least not fro 17 proff and 17 ambition to 13 and 13 ... nobody in my squad actually has that low stats in those areas ... and as you said squad dynamics personality drops are less powerful then mentoring so this should never be able to happen at least not to this extent ... your game is broken and you trying to say it isn't is just funny to me ... not trying to be a d*** but what you wrote doesn't add up ... lucky for me ive noticed this early on and have 2 different saves to prove my point so i will attach 3 pictures with paulo dias on 5 jan 2023 and 19 jan 2023 plus squad dynamics ..... as for 190 ca+ and 20 det amb and proff its a challange not something you can easily do and that is the point of it ... for it i need ronaldo to tutor 3 wonderkids then make the wonderkids tutor/mentor other players with similar positions(+other postions in midfield apart from wingers) then i slowly work my way to the central def and wingbacks but by then the team dynamics already help alot in acheving my goals ... unrealistic to you but to me its more then possible at least it was on fm 18 ... now i doubt it cause you work hard to give your player the perfect personality and then he losses it just cause he gets injured for 3 weeks or other BS that's not how mentality and basic psychology works people don't change their personality cause of non traumatic events like that ... fix this game please !!!
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