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  1. At the moment in my save I've had three years with Ajax, won the league all three times, Quarter and Semi's of UCL and accrued a bunch of talent for the youth team. Left Ajax in great shape. Moved onto Independiente in Argentina and I'm trying to develop the FIBRA/DNA of the squad. I've got three really good forwards, however, they've all got 'work rate', 'team work' and 'off the ball' as less than 10-11 on average, but excellent elsewhere. Tactically speaking, as forwards, do you find these three attributes a non-negotiable in terms of tactical effectiveness? I worry that the low work rate and team work, especially, leads to undermining the tactical instructions and that I should be looking to replace ASAP. Does everyone else persist, or even find it a factor in the first place?
  2. A couple of questions. 1. I've just taken over Estudientes and have found that my three main CB's have a pace stat of 10, 10, and 9. What would be your recommendations in terms of tweaking to compensate for this? 2. Is there an optimal pitch size for this tactic? they're asking for my requirements on pitch size for the season ahead. Should I be looking for a short field to compensate for my slow CB's and a wide field for direct play?
  3. Co-sign this one. Or, any demonstration photos?
  4. I do really believe that in FM 19 there should be a tactical sub-category for defensive and offensive transitions. I know CM played with it (wibble/wobble) but it was very early and difficult to implement back then. Managing the transitions, specifically, IRL, is a separate coaching imperative than the general overall approach itself. I would like to see this reflected in future editions of FM.
  5. We (not necessarily you, but most guides on possession) might actually be looking at this the wrong way, in general, then. 1. It is thought that slowing down the tempo is accurate to real life possession orientated teams (let's say Pep), however, if you've ever heard or read Pep in interviews he despises the term tiki taka as it is interpreted as slow tempo, risk averse possession, or, "possession for the sake of possession". On the contrary he's a proponent of what he calls "courage on the ball", which is to mean confident in small spaces and brave in making more risky (but rewarding) passes between the lines. 2. Playing at a slow tempo to maintain possession actually IRL makes it ineffective as the tempo is slow enough to allow the opposition to re-organise on the defensive transition (ie. you win the ball back at the half-way line, and instead of being direct and hitting the offensive transition with intensity and speed, you revert to possession for the sake of possession). This creates a never-ending cat and mouse situation with you trying to pass your way through two lines of defensive organisation. Thinking about it now, certain things make sense with what you said in light of the reality of offensive, expansive possession football with what Barca and City play. a. Possession passing, but not slow passing. Incisive passing. (Maybe encourage more risky balls from CB's, DM's, CM's to break lines) b. Either FB or W keeping width wide to create central space and create one-on-one's against opposition full-backs c. Central forward dropping deep to link with three mids to form passing diamond and overload the centre of mid. Also pulls any markers away from box. If there's a way to use that to get the wingers to then hit the box with the marker drawn out, that would be more or less accurate to how Pep played with Messi at Barca. He believed in "arriving in the box" and not "occupying the box". Again, these are all elements of what made possession football incisive and attacking for Pep and they're not easy to implement perfectly to FM, but I often get the impression that someone is always one right combination of things away from making a tactic that is equal in goalscoring efficacy as to possession stats.
  6. I think that one of the key areas for the next FM instalment must be a sub-section of instructions that relate specifically to the defensive transitions and the offensive transitions.Watching a lot of City this season and even though possession is their main forte, their transition from defence to attack is lightning. The key to making the possession tactics flourish in this game is in the fine details that allow for tempo changes based on contextual situations, which can make a possession tactic direct at a key moment, rather than being direct as a general rule.
  7. I think that one of the key areas for the next FM instalment must be a sub-section of instructions that relate specifically to the defensive transitions and the offensive transitions. Watching a lot of City this season and even though possession is their main forte, their transition from defence to attack is lightning. The key to making the possession tactics flourish in this game is in the fine details that allow for tempo changes based on contextual situations, which can make a possession tactic direct at a key moment, rather than being direct as a general rule.
  8. I'm trying to think about the same thing myself in terms of creating a good possession tactic that is effective. I used the wide men as wingers (s) with hold position and stay wide. This theoretically mimics Pep's approach in that he prefers the wide men to keep the width to (a) pull the defenders and midfielders wider to create more central space for the central creative players, and, (b) allow inverted full-backs to play inside the wingers occupying more central space, making under-lap runs instead of overlap, as well as being more central to link up with CM's. I think you've got the right idea, which is why I believe that possession tactics frustrate a lot of people on FM, because they inevitably face a lot of the same issues that real life possession teams face. Opposition teams sitting back deep and very few clear opportunities are created (in FM, very few highlights). So, my working idea is to play wider, wingers keep their position wide, inverted fb's inside them to link with cm's and make channel runs between defenders (who are stretched out by wingers prior), have one CM with some dribbling ability to roam and dribble (ala Iniesta) to draw players and create more space, and have a false nine who drops deep to pull defenders with him to draw away that deep opposition defensive block. That's the idea, in theory.
  9. @westy8chimp Fair points, there. I'll give it the fair run of the mill, then! I think that possession based tactics suffer from chance creation in the game in the same way they do IRL. High possession leads to the opposition team sitting back and packing in, which leads to banks of defenders and little space to play in. Much in the same way that few chances are created IRL by "working ball into the box" against deep sitting teams, so it appears to be in the game. My general idea for the approach is this :- Possession based yet quick in the offensive transition when winning the ball back. - Keeper normally distributes to CB in these approaches, however, if I keep two wingers staying wide, I could instruct the keeper to look to hit them when on transition with opposing team high in my half. Possession, yet, direct. - Keep wingers wide, team instructions wide. Possession teams stretch the field when on the ball to open the pitch up. Will use Inverted full backs to occupy spaces more central, which will add men to the middle to dominate the ball and help on defensive transition. Keeping wingers wide (and holding position) should pull full-backs and CB's wider, creating the central space for CM's, Inv-full backs, forwards, to exploit. I'll make a new thread after I've done half a season or so.
  10. @westy8chimp Thanks! Would you recommend creating a save with a friendly game, tinker, play the game, and then re-load the save accordingly? Watch extensive highlights or full game to determine movements?
  11. @westy8chimp Just an idea for a possession hybrid with elements of direct off-ball running. It's fairly well known that Guardiola hates tiki taka. That is, he despises the passing for passing sake mentality. He likes possession that has good tempo, is incisive and he likes to switch balls across the field periodically to shift the defence. One other element that is intrinsic to his possession approach is that he uses inverted full-backs and keeps his wingers out wide to drag defenders wide, creating space in the central areas. The inverted full backs then make runs inside the opposition full-backs and pull it across for someone to finish. What if we try.... 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. Wingers staying wide. Inverted-fullbacks (with his off-the-ball) encouraged to make runs on the underlap, instead. That way, the possession stats are still there or over around 60%, however, it might help break down the defences that stubbornly park the bus and defend narrow in response to your dominant ball possession.
  12. This is superb. I'm really intrigued as to what you think about possession based approaches in this game. That elusive approach that appeases those of us whom want to dominate on the ball and at the same time create scoring chances.
  13. Excellent information provided previously in this thread. I have a question or two. omrgul.... I tried using the central striker to man-mark the opposition midfielder and it did result in more of a stalemate affair, however, I noticed that it affected my attacking prowess. Is this something you use only in games where the other team are clear favourites, or, in most away games? Also, to Knap, I'm using the formation that is current best underdog, for Ajax in away games. I'm finding that if I switch to it with counter or control I'm inviting more pressure and end up conceding more. Given that the tactic has a reputation for good defensive performances, is there anything you can recommend? changes of mentality? etc? Thanks
  14. You're kidding. I got a flat rejection; not only that but my managerial experience is top level, ex-international footballer, pro continental licence, etc. You'd think they'd bend a little bit to acquiesce.
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