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Hi there,
Im currently playing the above way with Stoke. I have three tactical thoughts Id appreciate some help with
1) I think Darren Bent is getting literally no service in this formation. In the first 9 games of the season he has had only 10 shots, compared to Peter Crouchs 46. His overall ratings have been terrible too. This is a frustration for me , as he is on a BIG wage ! My thought where that he would get on a lot of through balls from crouch to race onto, but this doesnt seem to be happening. I wonder if by setting Crouch as target man, I am instructing my team to completely bypasss ever passing to Bent. As such im considering setting Crouch to a DLF support to help try and bring Bent into the game more? What do you think of this?
2) I have a defensive capable full backs in the shape of Liam Ridgewell and Wilkinson, as such I am considering moving my left and right mids up to pushed on wingers (AMR and AML). However i worry on they may become isolated from my central pairing of DLP support and CM defend. Although I am playing direct so maybe not?
3)In matches where I play attacking I switch my DLP- support to CM attack. And when I play defensive I switch my DLP support to DLP defend. Do you think this is appropriate
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I'm currently set up playing a very defensive anti football esque West Ham save. I'm trying to re-create the Bolton shape/style under Allardyce with the current Ham crop:
My question is, with playing Andy Caroll as TM (s) will I hinder my defenders decision to hoof it to him, by playing Mark Noble as my playmaker. Mark is my best passer, and so I'm in the mind that things would be best channeled through him, but I also dont want my defenders thinking, oo Im in a tight defesnive situation Ill try and pass to Noble rather than hoof it to Caroll
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I use to think of this guy as a genius back in my days when i was a student and had time to read into FM (more than my degree!) and im really gutted to hear of his passing.
My thoughts are with his family and friends
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Hough i've got to admit, when reading your first post initially, it can be quite overwhelming.
Just a suggestion, because i know theres been a lot of discussion on it within the thread, but it might be worth doing a brief summary over which tactic seems to have had the most success with users. Other wise the range of choice i think may be a bit off putting
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How do people alter there tactics in the instance of downpour? Unfortunately this a common occurrence in sunny England, and i personally think the tactic suffers for it.
My alterations currently are to set the passing to global, and all to the first notch of direct. This however appears to have average results, and doesnt seem to deal with the rain that much better than doing nothing
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actually, in terms of strikers performing if tried something and i've gotten interesting results. let me share explain more.
Left and Right Strikers:
Its true that they tend to drift wide sometimes. but because the passing is set to "Play through the middle", width is relatively narrow and u should have set ur home pitch to most narrow at the beginning of the season, the Left and Right strikers rarely end up hugging the touchline.
They normally end up on the outside shoulder of the fullbacks or in the space vacated by the fullbacks if they have bombed forward.
I shall use the Left striker position for an example. The right striker position i use the same strategy. Now, for my left striker, i use either Aguero, Dzeko, Forlan or Buottanonte. Each of these strikers performs very differently. I make my choice based on the opposition especially their formation, style of tactic and their right fullback. Let me explain further...
(A) Facing opponents with Attacking Fullbacks and either on par or better than u.
Example Real Madrid with Sergio Ramos
For this match, i would use Forlan as the Left Striker. The alternative is Aguero but i'll explain why he isnt my first choice for this scenario.
Ramos being tremendously attacking minded and based on Real Madrid's formation of 4-2-2-2 with Ronaldo and Kaka cutting in from the flanks supported by 2 DMCs, the width is provided by the Fullbacks. Ronaldo and Kaka never track back at all and mostly occupy AMC positions when in possession.
The leaves the flank portions in their penalty area vacant. What i expect to happen is that when i regain possession, the central striker with his lower mentality would be playing between the strata of the 2 opposition DCs and their DMCs. The AI would normally play Stopper/Cover and such the Cover DC would play my left and right strikers onside while the Stopper marks the central striker.
With Forlan at the Left Striker i have a deadly weapon. Let me explain. To me, Forlan is tailored made for the scenario and this tactic. His relevant stats, 19 Finishing, 20 Long Shots, 17 Technique, Composure, Off the ball, Determination, Strength, Pace, Acceleration all above 15. Plus his PPMs, Shoot with power, Try longrange shots, Tries first time shots. Relatively 2 footed.
With these attributes Forlan has scored against the big teams for me consistently since the beginning of my career game, until i just offloaded him at the age of 33. Even so, he still scored 14 goals being used on a rotational basis or as an impact sub.
How it unfolds.... With acres of space down the flanks vacated by the opp. fullback bombing up the field, Forlan is available usually unmarked. Any quality ball into space would release him. With Forlan being relatively 2 footed, being out wide (but not hugging the line) he can either break the def line and head towards the near post or stay wide and go to the byline. More often than not, Forlan heads to goal due to his PPMs. He is trigger happy!
I noticed by default, most AI teams play the left DC as covering. That means he is further back to Forlan coming down from the left, ie. has to cover more ground to get across! With the other DC occupied by the central striker now arriving late down the middle and the 2 DMCs marking the 2 attacking MCs advancing its effectively a 2 on 1 scenario. Left and Right Strikers breaking against the Covering DC!
Covering DC has to make a choice. close down Forlan on the left and leave right striker unmarked? or try to a miracle worker and mark the passing lane between the left and right striker? Here is why i prefer to use Forlan on the left rather than on the right. Forlan being relatively 2 footed, does not need to shift the ball to his right for a shot. But if he has the space and time, he can also do so and shoot across the keeper. whereas if i use Aguero he will not shoot with his left foot and by shifting the ball to his right and then cutting in a bit more, the angle would be narrowed and the Covering DC and GK can make a stop.
Plus with Forlan's PPMs to try first time shots and shoot with power and try longrange shots, plus his super finishing stats, if the keeper rushes out and Covering DC stays in the middle to mark the passing lanes, Forlan can unlease a thumper to beat the keeper at the near post. If the keeper stays on his line, Forlan can shoot across him to the far post.
Great to kill the game, especially if the opposition is pushing men forward desperately.
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I'll share strategies for the other 3 strikers later and then also about the central striker strategy.
Great to hear your thoughts on the working of the tactics. You have definately offered some insights hat are very interesting to me.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on the situational decisions of what type of midfielders to play and when
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Possibly my one, and only issue with this tactic ( and ive had quite a bit of experience now, having used it for around 10 seasons across various games) is that, it is seemingly exceedingly difficult to dog it up in he last 10 mins for a result
For example, away from home, 80th minute, i often reduce full backs runs forward, set them to a defensive mentality and go to the first notch of time wasting. In all my career, this has only led to extremely negative consequences. The tactic however is suprisingly open though, and without changes does concede more then he average late on. Currently however, im operating a system of just leaving it, as if i make changes the worst seems to always happen.
Other than that a remarkable tactic.
Do people make any changes when trying to dog up a lead away from home? (ie to counteract the 4-2-4)
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I love this tactic, but im really struggling to understand how the central striker plays, the deep lying forweard with maximum creativity.
What players have people played here and got success?
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Fine players who get sent off. They won't try that nonsense again
I meant the tactic were very good, not the players
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I quite often get players sent off using your tactics hough (which are very good by the way)
Can you advise what changes to make when going down to ten men?
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Using the v5 tactic with Hull, which is absolutely pheonminal at home beating utd and l'pool 3-1, but struggles somewhat away from home.
Anyone got any suggestions for what can be done to improve it away?
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IS there a more detailed post and what sort of players are needed for each position?
If so can someone link me to that post.
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Outrageously good tactic, sturggles slightly away from home, but is fabulous otherwise. Best i have tried.
Just beat Man U 3-1 at home in my 1st season with Hull, still playing with the majority of the same team and 7th in the league
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This tactic is genius. 5 years on, and Ballack is literally KILLING the cm spot for my Hull City. Sooo many long shot goals
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Quickfire Questions and Answers Thread (Tactic and Training Questions Only)
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If i tick exploit the middle does this have any effect on my narrowness? ie does it make my team play narrower? if this is the case, would clicking exploit middle and play wider counteract this?