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16 minutes ago, ShirazS said:
Thanks for the suggestion. I tried just that before asking for help on here.
After playing 6 games, I've lost 4, drawn 1 and won 1 and it did not feel like we were controlling the game, even against weaker sides.
I'm Man Utd and am 10th in the league after 15 matches.
Why not post the tactic so we can critique? That is more likely top get good traction and we can explain how and why we are making changes so you will gain tactical knowledge.
If not, go to the tactics sharing section and download something pre made
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There is six trillion ways you could create a 433.
why not create something simple, with very few team instructions (0-5) and using guides available on this forum. Watch what happens, see if you like what you see and what issues you can see. Slowly tweak from there.
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Team looks good to be honest. Assume you are trying to make the RW your primary scorer? How many goals does he have?
29 unbeaten proves its going well!
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2 hours ago, Terrixfull said:
- Regarding your 1st and last point, does adding "Get further forward" combined with "Cross from byline" on FBs increase the support effect and help with the defensive area or should I just use FBa? But then I have a direct partnership on the left side with two players sitting in the same area. Should I then put my DL also as WB(s)?
- So if I understand I should set roles for the players behind my AMC (if he is AP or AM) to stay behind him? So I should change my roles behind my AMC into Car(s) as MCL and CM(d) as MCR?
If I may ask also: If I would switch my AMC to SS for instance Mezzala on support duty would be helpful then because he would make runs with him infront of the ST?
- I set my tempo to lower alongside WBiB to lower my risk in possession, but as you mentioned when I am playing with Spurs removing "Dribble less" and "WBiB" but keeping lower tempo should get me more crosses and runs in my final third. I presume if I find myself struggling to get shots then increasing my tempo would help?
- How should I organize my defence to satisfy the need for more urgent pressing? Pushing my DL more forward and that's it or would it be wiser to place my AMC on the DM role and play like this:
DLF(a)
IF(a) IF(S)
DLP(s) BBM(s)
DM(d)
WB(s) CD(d) BPD(d) WB(S)
SK(s)
- Question: Would it be more balanced in terms of possession oriented system where my midfield is supplying balls to my wide players and then to my striker (and vice versa) to have my front CM's as the ones written or to switch my DLP(s) into BWM(s)?
So you’ve seen people’s advice, and what you took from this was you needed to change the formation and basically everything in one go?
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On 23/12/2020 at 11:08, duesouth said:
I guess it would depend on how important role suitability is in FM21. This is a typical thing I would see for a player at a lower level - the more exotic roles are silver stars:
I always ignore this, even when silver stars. I’ve had complete forwards bang and inverted wing backs assist for days even in lower leagues
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14 minutes ago, michael_richie0 said:
Car + AP AT on mid is good idea for this system ?
Try it, see what happens! 😁 watch the game on a fair level of highlight detail. If it works, then excellent. If not, why not? Don’t just look at where you conceded from, look further back to where / how you lost the ball and where the space left was. Watch a fair few games too, don’t base it on one game 😊
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16 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:
If you want focus on the left, then simply use the related focus play instruction.
Using the quote for OPs benefit, I know you will know this already ED.
In your previous setup, you would more likely want to focus right, so to build chances that side and leave space on the left for the attacker.
The main issue I can see defensively, I agree with ED, that midfield is very open, not a lot of cover there as both roles will look to get further forward
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Think about where the space is in these formations, does your team exploit it?
for example, if your attacks are are narrow with players coming inside, you will be playing into these teams hands, as they have three defenders ready and waiting to punch the ball.
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Have a watch in game at the IF attack and see what you want from him. I’ve found that role to be problematic in the 433, as getting him the appropriate support is a nightmare - mine ended up not doing much apart from attacking far post crosses. It looks like you’ve had the same problem and tried to resolve with WB Att and BBM. Problem is, this leaves your right side pretty open.
I use something similar in my current system, and use an IW S with a CM S and WB A and it gives some lovely triangles resulting in acres of space for the WB to pick his target, while the IW has the freedom of the pitch often to link place and attack the box.
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Agree with the above, CM Att would be best for lampard as he didn’t really drift into channels, instead attacking the space created centrally by others around him.
To replicate, definitely needs a player with excellent shooting and off the ball, but with decent ish defending too. PPMs would probably include ‘Gets forward whenever possible’, ‘shoots from distance’ and ‘shoots with power’
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Post tactics please so we can take a look at the second point?
First point, hire a really good director of football or ass man with excellent judging potential and set him to provide reports. At the end of the day the stars are just a guide, and start get skewed very quickly by a players form. E.g on my current Liverpool save, Divock Origi is rated 4 stars, despite him having average stats, because he has 14 goals in 10 games to start the year.
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58 minutes ago, duff33 said:
Thanks - I'd posted the same question to an FM group I am a member of on FaceBook, and got similar feedback there too.
I've switched my AML to be an IF on support now, then LB is set to be an attacking WB (for overlaps), and then I have a W (Att) and FB (Su) down the right hand side now.
Also made the AP set to attacking, and toying with having the LCM as a Box-to-Box instead of Mezzala, so they aren't hitting the same areas as the IF as much.
For my 5-2-1-2, I think I'll revert to a slightly older model of the tactic, where I have RWB set to attack (maybe as a Complete WB, which is what he was before) and the CAM as a AP on support again.
I'm experimenting with a higher tempo too, as I have played slow tempo for a while now, so may be too predictable in that regard?
If changing the IF to support, I would probably swap the midfielder roles over too, so the mezzala is supporting the winger.
Personally I’ve struggled with a supporting mezzala this year, and prefer them on attack for the half space penetration. But obviously that wouldn’t work as well here with the roles/instructions combo
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Just to give you all an update. Following advice regarding my tactic in general, I have now evolved into the attached.
As for the leading tactic, I now have a 4141 which still offers some threat but sures things up at the back.
I have now won Vanrama North (unbeaten), National (2 losses) and am currently unbeaten in League 2 15 games in. On top of that I won the FA Trophy back to back.
Thank you all for your help!!
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1 minute ago, 04texag said:
Did you try any of those changes for the second half? Any improvements?
I did indeed! I actually used a combination of your suggestion and Zemahhs, switching to a variant based off your suggestions around the 60 min mark if leading, then switching again to a 'shut up shop' variant after 80 mins. I stay on my base tactic if not winning to try push for a goal. Working exceptionally so far, 5 goals conceded in 15 National leagu games and 10 points clear at the top.
Thank you for your suggestions, they have helped massively!
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27 minutes ago, Sharkn20 said:
You are succesfull because you are using an OP Gegenpress style and the teams are defending from you, once they become aggressive u become exposed, unless u have an OP team like Liverpool.
Once u get promoted, u will get destroyed at some point by better teams that don't respect you or wait at the back, unless u change your tactic.
Do not agree with this at all. I am hardly gegenpressing. Just because a tactic has a high line it doesnt make it gegenpressing - that term is just bambied around far too much, rather irritating to be honest. Low-ish mentality, moderate press settings.
Additionally, unbeaten in the league first season and won the FA trophy, reach third round of FA cup knocking out a league two and league one team. Most scored, highest xG, lowest conceded,highrst pass accuraccy, highest average possessio. etc... Additionally, the league 2 and 1 teams are far superior to me, yet we dominated the games. Not sure that calls for me to completely change my tactic haha.
33 minutes ago, Sharkn20 said:Playing with the D-line in the midfield any Poacher or Advance Forward who is a better athlete than your CDs, is going to eat them alive.
Hence why I ensure my defenders, and the rest of my players for that matter, are bought to suit the tactic. Im not going to play a 5 pace defender with a much higher line.
35 minutes ago, Sharkn20 said:Otherwise keep enjoying your goals galore, super exciting for the fans!
Not sure what you are trying to say by this either, as I said earlier we had the best defence. I think you missed the point of my post, which was not that I was having trouble defending in general, I was having trouble once I am in a large lead where the opposition teams start throwing hail marys. I wasnt trying to get a full tactical rebuild as the tactic as it is works perfectly.
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22 minutes ago, Experienced Defender said:
Great then. Just ignore what I said and keep up the good work
Just re-read how I had written the previous post, and am worried that it sounds like I was just diregarding everything you said. Definitely not the case and very much appreciate your help!
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8 hours ago, Experienced Defender said:
- extremely aggressive out of possession (and needlessly so, especially the get stuck in TI coupled with so high lines of defense/engagement)
- the setup of roles and duties fairly unbalanced (especially the right side - the partnership of CMat and FBat)
- up front, IF on attack and AF are not an optimal combination (although this can vary depending on the style of play)
- a contradiction between in-possession TIs and the setup of roles and duties (instructions are very much possession-oriented - except for the focus play on the flanks - but roles and duties do not really support such style of play, particularly the already mentioned right side)
Split block is certainly a good idea and IMHO always better option than increased team pressing urgency. However, it makes more sense and is more effective/better utilized with a better level of compactness (i.e. DL should be 1 notch higher than LOE - so I would recommend dropping the LOE to higher instead of much higher).
Why "stay wider" for the CB and why "dribble less" for the AF? (although I would not use the AF as a lone striker role in your tactic anyway).
As for the "pass shorter", your team passing is already set to shorter.
Thank you for your reply.
All of my tactic above has come from watching games in full and testing changes to see what works, and despite the issues mentioned above they seemed to be extremely successful. As I mentioned, going unbeaten in non-league with Telford keeping 60+% possession and I also managed to go unbeaten first season with Liverpool. I agree there are clear imbalances that defy my previous FM staple knowledge, however despite that I found it to work somehow haha.
The right side I have not found to be an issue, most of tbe goals in concede actually come from the left, and to a lesser extent the centre when a hoof ball catches my team out, and the right for some reason is my safest area!
The advanced forward in this game is interesting, watching him he still seems to drop deep to pick up the ball and recycle nice and simple, but also runs behind and pushes the opponent back, allowing for my team to have more space. EVery save I have done so far he has been the leagues top scorer + gets 10 ish assists a year. No complaints at all on his front, as the team achieves high possession but he allows for some necessary penetration and punishes teams that try to press us to get the ball back.
Focus on flanks was just from watching the game being played out, we seem to create significantly more chances with this turned on, and watching the team switch play from one side to the other to create space is awesome.
CB stay wider and often the DM will drop into the gap. The stay wider also makes them more effective at closing down the gaps left when the full backs go up. Again, when watching games we conceded considerably less with this on.
Your point about the split block and overly aggressive press makes sense, someone else mentioned above this could be my issue. I will change that for a few games and watch to see if that helps. Potentially my 'second half dropoff' could be just due to my non-league players not being the best and so becoming complacent!
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11 minutes ago, 04texag said:
I would do the following. Lower DL and LOE to Standard, to draw them out to play. Put tighter marking on. Then take off focus down both flanks and dribble less, and move passing to the middle standard setting, or maybe slightly more direct. I would change the AMR away from an AP and make him a winger on s or a. Take counter press off and leave counter.
Thanks mate. Will give it a go and feed back.
On a slightly separate note, I’m noticing little output from my CM on A, was hoping he would be a late runner and pick up a few goals, or provide the AP with a through ball option. However he isn’t doing much. Is this likely due to my player not having a PPM like ‘get further forward’, or is he an obvious issue in my tactic? I feel like he should work better than he does
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26 minutes ago, 04texag said:
That is a super intense tactic. You are crushing them early and then your LLM team can't maintain that level of intensity for a full 90. So once the long balls over the top come, your players are too tired. Just what I'm guessing but likely the case.
Your going to have to lower that intensity or every game make subs for that tired back line.
I'd probably only do that heavy pressing with high DL and LOE for like half of the first half, and the first 15 of the second. For the rest you can still counter press, but I would go standard for both lines and urgent but not extreme pressing.
Thank you, that would make sense! Generally I do not find fitness to be an issue, except when the fixtures start piling up.
I will try this and see if it helps. However, I’m kind of a ‘no let up’ kind of guy, is there a system where I can adjust to counter and keep scoring if possible? Often these teams leave obvious gaps my current system does not exploit later on in games when they are high
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1 hour ago, Vinay17 said:
The F9 dropping deep to free up the space for the Mezzala or the IF, I dont know how to achieve it.
The width and the dribble less TI was situational, I ussually play standard width and with dribble less off.
Surely this is unlikely to happen, instead the player will be passed off to a DM if available. They should drop deep, turn and play a pass to an overlapping runner. So make sure they have plenty of movement ahead of them
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There we go.
PI:
CB - stay wider pass shorter
ST - Dribble less pass shorter
Split block so close down more and tackle harder on front 5
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Hi All,
Long time lurker, first time poster. I have created a tactic which I am currently enjoying in my Telford LLM save. In this save, I was aiming to try and dominate the lower leagues through heavy possession, ala Guardiola, as normally when I do LLM saves I go for the ol’ reliable direct 442/433 narrow. I surpassed my own expectations with this, averaging over 60% possession in the conference north, with 86% pass success, most goal, least conceded, most clean sheets and going undefeated in the league.
All sounds good so far. Except for one thing. We have had a habit of going 2/3-0 up early in games, sometimes in the first half. Dominating all the statistics along the way, opponent couldn’t get a sniff. Then... the second half comes. Suddenly we are not getting shots off, whilst every long ball from my opponent seems to get them in on goal. The classic ‘FM’ moments. A few of my results ended say 3-2 or 3-3 with us clinging on. I tried several different shouts, praising seems to make my team complacent, whereas encourage and demand more caused a dramatic morale drop and hastened our mini collapse.
Therefore I have come to terms with the fact that I need to create a tactical variant. Either something that allows me to be slightly more direct and take advantage of the space; or something where we become very compact and shut up shop.
Basically, I need your advice. Does anyone have any tips for how to best change tactics when leading?
I can provide screenshots of my current tactic if required!
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How have your changes worked? Success or not?
Ypur current system looks extremely similar to a system I have been using in my role play game of 'non-league pep' style - where I try to get the highest possession, goals etc at the end of the season, whilst in non league.
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I have played 20 seasons with Crewe Alexandra, and the design a son unlockable has not unlocked. It is still asking me to purchase it.
The achievement popped down from Game Center, but didn’t unlock in game.
how can I fix this? I was really looking forward to testing this feature, to keep the game interesting 20 years in.
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Progressive Passing Side - Narrower Width?
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Narrow and slow, meaning the opponent can defend narrow and block up the center of the pitch, then you have nothing. With no width you arent stretching the opponent to create spaces.
WIth those wings I imagine you are being massacred on the counter too