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Right Meyer, but Graph is not only preference to training but "REAL CAPACITY" for training this aera...So a player who have low graph on a specific category can never be train on it even he has a heavy load on this aera..

That's why for me, training by position on the field is not working as good as individual training as each player is different from other one.

And training, as recommended by Vaughan, must be lowered during all the season to compensate jadedness and match condition. So at the end of the season, training must be very light compare to begin of season...If you stay with same training during all the season, don't be surprise if player begin to be wounded one by one after first season.

i agree, each player has to be trained as an individual based on there age, injury proneness and attitude. some players can be pushed hard others cant and i would think that is how it would work in the real world.

i have more success with training but it is time comsuming, but the rewards are worth it

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Any comment on my training test ??

i have been using the graph as a barometer of the players preference to training methods.

ryan babel graph is usually low and he doesnt like heavy schedules. (low determination).

so i made a schedule for him that was lower in intensity and i started to an increase in his stats. i also focused on the areas he excelled in.

players who are injury prone will tend to have lower bars in the graph so i will decrease the intensity and it keeps them somewhat injury free.

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a few games into season and i am getting alot of injuries during games. most recent is carragher out with a torn hamstring and he never gets injured for me.

lost gerrard with a twisted ankle although he does get injured alot

not all my injuries keep them out long though but im using all my subs for injured players

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my first major injury is to agger. this 1st one since i reverted back to your original schedules although agger is injury prone. hope the info helps

* Type of Injury Received in Detail

back strain from overexerting himself in weight room

* Level of Training Facilities

20 i think i am liverpool

* Time of Year

mon 10th aug end of preseason

* Players Injury Prone Attribute using FMScoutGenie

65

* Star Quality of Coaches taking Physical Training

4 star

* Coach Level of Physical Training Attribute

between 16 -18 for four coaches

* Number of Players Training Physical Categories

46

* Number of Coaches in each Physical Category

2

* Coach Workload in each Physical Category

light

* "Hardness of Training" Coach Attribute for each Coach taking each Physical Category using FMScoutGenie

dont have fmgenie

* Players Match Exercise and Fitness on day of Injury using FMScoutGenie

last game played 30-7-09 played 78 mins. probably between 93-98% fit

* List of Players Physical Attributes

acc=12

agl=11

bal=16

jmp=14

nf=15

pac=14

stm=15

stg=14

* Any Particular Injury Trends at your Club

knee, groin and hip injuries to youth players

* Schedule the Player is on

as above

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just a quick question.

i put all my keepers bar reina on developing gk and they all are unhappy. i read in a post that as long as morale is high it doesnt matter. is it possible that they wont train aswell and not develop where as if they were happy then they will develop quicker?

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I have not been able to get to my computer for the last week or so and have been unable to respond to your posts. There is quite a lot to deal with here and I will try and get to the important points without this post getting too long.

Injuries

Quite a few of you are reporting lots of injuries, while myself and a few others see no noticeable injury problem while using these schedules with top quality sides. Indeed it was Manchester United with their facilities that these schedules were first developed for.

This does not mean that the schedules are "overly physical" or are not contributing towards increased injuries, because there is no "one shoe fits all" solution to training. What this means is that when using these schedules some combinations of players, coaches, facilities etc. are producing more injuries while other combinations are producing less. If we can find out what these combinations are and how they are working to determine injuries then it will be possible not only to fix the problem but to understand the problem in such a way that the best solutions can always be taken for every club and every player.

In the short term the best solution is to switch a player to a less physically intensive schedule if possible, and if not possible then try and cut each Category Intensity by one-third to one half. This will not be easy as it will require a lot of juggling and tweaking. Simply reducing physical categories or knocking everything down to "medium" will destroy the balance of the schedules.

In the long term it is essential to get detailed feedback on injuries so that we can find out exactly what the factors are that are producing excess injuries in a club. The high levels of physical training are not producing the same levels of injuries for everyone so they must be working with other factors to produce different levels of risk.

Consider for example how weather, a very physical game, and high levels of Injury Proneness produce greatly increased risk of injuries during a match. A similar process will be at work in Training. High levels of physical training combined to poor facilities combined to poor coaches combined to high "hardness of training" in coaches combined to Injury Proneness in players will be producing a certain level of injury risk.

The next time anyone receives an injury in training, could you please take note of as much of the following information as possible, and post it here. I would be most appreciative.

• Type of Injury Received in Detail
  
• Level of Training Facilities
  
• Time of Year
  
• Players Injury Prone Attribute using FMScoutGenie
  
• Star Quality of Coaches taking Physical Training
  
• Coach Level of Physical Training Attribute
  
• Number of Players Training Physical Categories
  
• Number of Coaches in each Physical Category
  
• Coach Workload in each Physical Category
  
• "Hardness of Training" Coach Attribute for each Coach taking each Physical Category using FMScoutGenie
  
• Players Match Exercise and Fitness on day of Injury using FMScoutGenie
  
• List of Players Physical Attributes
  
• Any Particular Injury Trends at your Club
  
• Schedule the Player is on
  

I understand that this is a large list and do not expect anyone to post it in full detail. As much information as possible is ideal and certain information is more useful than other information, such as injury trends, training facility level, coach hardness of training etc.

For example:

My training facilities are level 20. I have had very few injuries overall. Most of my injuries occured during Pre-Season or the start of the League when players had low physical fitness. Most of my injuries are Aerobic based injuries of twists, pulls, strains. My Aerobic Training Category has 32 players on Intensive, a Light Coach Workload, 4 coaches involved in some way and a 4 star rating. My facilities are unlikely to be the problem, my Intensive Aerobic for 32 players has only produced 4-5 injuries in several months, most injuries occured when players were unfit.

Of the 4 coaches involved in Aerobic Training one is a Fitness coach that is my primary Aerobic coach and takes no other training. He is rated at 4 stars for Aerobic. He has 17 for Fitness Attribute. He has Hardness of Training 10. He is unlikely to be the problem here.

My 2nd coach is a general purpose Fitness Coach. He is taking both Aerobic and Strength. He has a rating of 3 Star for Aerobic. He has 12 for Fitness Attribute. He has Hardness of Training 17. This guy could be the problem.

My 3rd Coach is my Assistant Manager who is involved in all categories. He has a rating of 3 stars for Aerobic. He has Fitness Attribute 20. He has Hardness of Training 14. He is very unlikely to be the problem.

My 4th Coach is my Reserve/Yth team manager. He is rated 1.5 for Aerobic. He has Fitness 2. He has Hardness of Training 12. He might be the problem.

Of the players that got injured during Training, one is 19 year old AMC with injury proneness 9, is on Intensive Aerobic, played 513 minutes in 4 months, and the other player on his schedule is 22 and was injured at game start.

The next is 18 year old ST with injury proneness 3, is on Intensive Aerobic, has played 369 minutes in 4 months and there are no others in his schedule.

The next is 18 year old CF with injury proneness 3, is on Intensive Aerobic, has played 261 minutes in 4 months and the other player on the schedule is 29 and has never been injured.

The next is 22 year old WF with injury proneness 7, is on Intensive Aerobic, has played 546 minutes in 4 months and the other player on the schedule is 24 and has never been injured.

The next is 34 year old RB with injury proneness 15, is on Medium Aerobic, has played 154 minutes in 4 months and there are no others on his schedule.

The only other Training Injuries in 4 months was a damaged foot which is a collision injury and cannot be determined as to cause (possibly defending or ball control), and a strained neck caused by Jumping to Catch a Ball which is not an Aerobic Injury but a Goalkeeping Injury though you can be forgiven for making the mistake.

Now we could immediately jump to conclusions and state that Aerobic Training is far too high and is causing injuries to players. That arguement would probably be accepted in many other places but it wont be accepted here because the game is not that simple and the arguement does not fit the available evidence. What does fit the evidence is the arguement that Young Players are suffering from Injuries under Intensive Aerobic training, and old players that are Injury Prone are suffering under Aerobic with only Medium Intensity. Five players out of 32 is approximately 1/6th of those being Trained and there is a clear pattern to the problem here. Young and old players exclusively are being injured and young and old players have the exact same feature, a lack of Stamina.

If we put together all the evidence then the pattern, causes and issues are completely obvious. A lack of Stamina combined to Hard Training combined to Intensive Aerobic Schedule is causing Aerobic based injuries. Some players cannot keep up with the Intensity of the Training Schedule under a particular coach and are being injured because of it.

That is the source of the problems at my club. I will either move low Stamina players onto a less intensive Aerobic schedule when they are under peak condition or remove my Hard Coach from training Aerobic.

Now you can choose to ignore this level of advice and detail and knock down your Schedules to medium or whatever you think is sufficient, but I would like to investigate this issue thoroughly to find out not only what is going on at my club, but what goes on at all clubs and with Training in general. If we can work together to find out what particular issues may be affecting your particular club, we can piece together information and ideas and tests to find out the precise conditions that affect injuries, rates of changes etc. and find out what is necessary to know in order to effectively manage the Training of players at clubs.

Keep in mind that the obvious, stand-out trend is rarely true or false just like with tactical issues, but is often a symptom or indictor of something a bit more complex and bit deeper seated. It may not be that complex an issue but we cannot know that untill we find out the precise details and reinforce or discard potential causes. Keep in mind also that what I have written here for my club is highly unlikely to apply to your club. The "example" above, like my tactics, is a situation caused by the particular features of my club and these will not be the same as many others.

OK so just read this post and have reverted back to your original schedules and i will post the injuries as and when they occur. i am still in preseason and have 4 to 5 star coaches and all loads are light. i am lfc so facilities are excellent.

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a quick background

i'm starting as liverpool and have 4 to 5 star coaches

so far i have reduced the training schedules down to heavy for developing and medium high for 1st team and vets i dropped down to medium. i had a couple of injuries mostly from physical training so i dropped them a notch, so far so good.

i'm still in preseason so i will probably reduce 1st team schedules some more if necessary

will post how it goes