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  1. Pelayo Morilla from Sporting Gijon. I managed to get him for less than 200k... Only 16. I loaned Jorge from AS Monaco (although not so young, think he was 22/23). He wouldn't sign permanently for me though even though we got promoted. I also loaned James Garner from Man U. Don't think you'll be able to buy as he's wonderkid potential. And I loaned Bruno Varela from Benfica (again not so young, think he was 24) with an option to buy at 650k. He's been brilliant for me and still good in Prem. Finally I loaned Benoit Badiashile also from AS Monaco. Someone mentioned Jan Valery above. RB from Southampton. I had him on loan also but he didn't work out very well. Maybe I didn't play the right role or system, but I think it was his work rate or some other 'soft' attribute that was unusually low. And I was playing him as FB(A) so really wanted him to bomb up and down and he didn't, so he's obviously a bit lazy..... Sorry - mostly loans, but the top 5 were very good for me as Blackburn in championship.
  2. This is a good question. I am not sure I have discovered the silver bullet here. For sure they have to play 1st team regularly to consistently improve attrs and ultimately achieve potential. If they do that on loan, in my experience, they have to do it at a decent club with good facilities. They don't generally improve as well if they are slumming it down at Bury (no offense Bury fans). I had an awesome regen in an old FM14 save who I sent out on loan to Everton one year and he improved loooooads, and was a mainstay in my first team after that. If you let them earn their stripes in your own first team, you have the opportunity to shape their training and their personality (through mentoring groups) and PPMs yourself, but you run the risk of putting an inexperienced player in your side. A bit like RL, its a balance. Everyone talks about Foden being the next big thing in the premier league but Guardiola hasn't loaned him out anywhere. He is very closely managing his development at Man City through careful introduction into the first team. Overall, for high potential players I think you are better keeping them at the club and managing their development yourself rather than leaving it up to chance with them picking up traits and attributes under someone elses training regimes and facilities and mentoring groups.
  3. This. I picked this guy up through my scouts and managed to get him for something ridiculous like 160k in my first season in the championship. He's fanastic and a mainstay in my premier league team now 3 seasons on. Would highly recommend him to anyone starting out in a top league or second division.
  4. Hi - You definitely don't have to use an IF to get FB to overlap. I use WB(S) + IF(A) on one side and FB(A) + W(S) on the other side and I get overlap on both. "Gets forward whenever possible" trait in your WB/FB also helps. On the IF side, my WB will automatically run into the space left by the IF and will get a pass from my midfielders. On the W side, my overlapping FB will more often than not get sent in behind by the W. I see slightly different behaviour on different flanks, but most of my delivery from wide areas comes from the overlapping FB or WB.
  5. update. waited till window was shut and offered contract for the third time. Champions Cup release clause was now at £42.5M, which is a bit more reasonable. not clear why they allowed it to be upped so much but hey ho. happier now. and so is the player
  6. ok - this is what I'm going to try. Leave until close to the transfer window ends and then agree to his demands. Then at least no-one can take him before Christmas. Just before winter transfer window, offer a new contract and see if they'll be more flexible on the release fee.
  7. This doesn't work in the latest example. I can't remove the clause because the agent locked it in the very first negotiation. I have used this tactic in other negotiations, but often it results in the agent upping the players weekly wage or his own fee.
  8. I'm fine with him moving on if Liverpool or Man City come calling. As you say, thats real life. But they need to pay up. Being restricted to a 15M release clause value doesn't seem right to me. Do we know if I up the agent fees or the player salary / bonuses that he'll allow an increase in the release fee?
  9. Ok so I have a different contract situation now. I managed to buy Wonderkid Palaya Morilla for a stupidly low amount of money whilst in the championship. He's great; can play all across the AM line, pitches in with plenty of goals and assists and is developing nicely. We got promoted to the Permiership in 2019/2020 season and he (along with a load of other players) came to me wanting a new contract. I promised them I would do it "at the end of the season". Now its the end of the season and I've managed to tie everyone else down apart from him. As soon as I enter negotiations, the agent puts a 13M non-negotiable 'Champions Cup' teams release clause in. I can up the amount to 15.5M, but I can't remove it; its got the brown 'locked' symbol next to it. I've broken off talks twice now as there's no way I want such a low amount in the contract. Anyone know how I fix this? I'm resigned to putting some kind of release clause in there if champions league clubs come asking, but its got to be higher than that. I sold my Championship Goalie to Fulham for 11M for xxxx sake. Why would I release a Wonderkid attacker for a couple of mill more?? I feel I need to fix this at next attempt or my repeated breaking off of talks will ruin our relationship forever. He only has 12 months left on his contract now.
  10. Ahh thanks - hadn't clocked the exclude from negotiations bit. Thats helpful. I do keep a shortlist obvs, but primarily for building up the squad, not as a contingency for unexpected losses. Its a good idea. However the additional problem you have is one of funding. I only get 25% of transfer revenue to spend, so I often can't replace lost players cos I simply can't afford a like-for-like replacement, never mind an upgrade.
  11. Very very annoyed. I was fortunate to have 2 or 3 really good newgens last season. I don't know exactly how good since I haven't installed the editor this time (I felt it was ruining the mistique of the transfer market a little as its all too easy to just inspect potential recruits or newgens for their PA scores. I supposed I could install it to see, and then uninstall it again after...). But anyway they've been receiving bids from Celtic and Premiership clubs in both transfer windows since I got them. I have been rejecting all the time with no comeback, until yesterday when the chairman accepted a bid and sold my best one without my consultation! "offer was too good to turn down". Now this is a 16yr old with no U23 or first team experience and I made £3.5M straight off, potentially climbing to £12.5M, so I did OK out of it, but what particularly annoys me is that a) we are not exactly strapped for cash; we're sitting pretty at the top of the championship with a healthy £20M balance in the bank, and b) I explicitly negotiated a 'develop young players for the first team through the academy' philosophy with the chairman in my contract; how do I do that if she's going to sell all the good ones! There's not even an option to meet with the chairman to discuss / complain. So I just requested a load of upgrades to facilities instead....
  12. I can't. The agent re-adds it and locks it if I suggest that. Only option is to withdraw from talks.
  13. This is starting to annoy me a little bit. I'm playing as Blackburn. We're in 2019/2020 season. Last year we finished 7th. This year its January and we're top of the league. Last summer window I lost two players to premiership outfits that I would rather have kept; David Raya and Ryan Nyambe. They got unhappy mid-way through the year over wanting a new contract, so I signed them up, sadly this now included a higher division release clause despite my attempts to remove it from the contract. When bids came in I rejected them and got accused of 'blocking their dream moves'. Now if this was Man U or Liverpool I could get it, but it was Fulham and Watford. Hardly 'dream' moves. Now eventually the chasing clubs met the release clauses so I made about £20M but I had to panic buy to replace them because the release clauses were met with like 1 or 2 days left before the window shut. This January I am in a similar situation. Bradley Dack had to be offered a new contact mid-way through last season (to be honest he probably deserved it; he's the best player in the squad), but again no practical option to not have a higher division release clause. I'm now receiving bids for him from Bournemouth. I rejected (he has a release clause for a reason), he went moaning to the squad and they backed him for blocking his 'dream' move. Bournemouth. Come on! I ended up using the 'you can accuse me of many things but weak management isn't one of them' response and it seemed to work. Adam Armstrong also received a bid from Leeds (they didn't even get promoted last season, are 3rd in the championship, so why would I sell??). I rejected, he moaned to the squad, who accused me of blocking his 'dream' move. How is a move to a rival in the same division a 'dream' move? OK Leeds are a bigger club in terms of stadium and weekly attendances, but I'd hardly call it 'dream'. I used the same excuse as last time (weak management) and again it worked except with Bradley who stayed angry. Adam doesn't have a release clause. Ben Brereton also had bids from a mid-level premiership club, but I managed to convince him to drop it by promising to strengthen the squad in the next window. Something that I clearly fully intend to do should we maintain momentum and get promoted. I realise player ambition probably has something to do with it (Bradley and Adam are both ambitious players), but I just find it not realistic that a) they should demand moves away when we're clearly on track for promotion anyway (and there's no option to promise to sell them if we miss out on promotion) and b) these moves are hardly 'dream' clubs....
  14. This is a great thread. I am fairly new to FM19 but have played lots of previous versions and read a lot of the previous guides, particularly those written around FM16 time. Some of the criticism of the OP is a little harsh, but I think I read it in the spirit it was written, which is as a guide. NOT a set of rules. For me personally, I just finished my first season with Blackburn and just missed out on the playoffs, finishing 7th. I've always been a fan of the old 'christmas tree' formation 4-3-2-1 and started off trying to make that work, but either I set it up wrong or its just a crap formation, but I did find I was caught out down the sides too often, so reverted to 4-2-3-1 WIDE as thats how Tony Mowbray plays the team, although I played it with 2 CMs rather than 2 DMs. This is how I setup SW(s) FB(a) NCB(x) BPD(d) WB(s) BBM(s) BWM(d) W(a) AP(a) IF(s) TM(a) What I do know is that pairings are often key to success in FM. So full backs and wide attackers, the 2 CBs, the 2 CMs and the AM/ST. All these pairs *should* complement each other for a successful formation. What I also know is that individual players are better suited to certain roles and/or duties. So playing a player with high flair and creativity in a BWM role probably won't work. Hence my actual team was flawed for a number of reasons; either playing players out of role/duty or playing pairs that don't compliment each other because I'm trying to emphasise a players strengths. Specifically: 1. My Right Back is not really an attacking right back, his final ball often left a lot to be desired, but he was incredibly athletic, with good workrate, so was able to get back and cover. His attributes suit much more being a FB(d), but I don't think that duty really works in this type of formation where you want full backs supporting the attack. Turns out you can't specifically train crossing any more, and I haven't delved enough into the training part to put together an individual schedule for him that incorporates the right sessions to emphasise crossing. (I'm not sure if you can even do that for an individual player or whether you have to do it for the entire unit. Can I create a bespoke unit for just him??) 2. My 2 main CBs were perfectly suited to those roles in terms of their attrs, but I'm not sure whether that combo really works. Its the first time I've seen NCB as a role, so I was experimenting. I suspect CD(d) x 2 will work better. The left sided CB has great technical attributes though so it seems a shame not to leverage his ball playing abilities. 3. The entire squad is full of BWM or BBM midfielders. Seriously there are about 5 midfielders whose attributes match those roles perfectly. So it was easy to swap one out for another and know that they'd be suited. I am sure this has contributed to my habit of leaking late goals; neither the BWM or the BBM are disciplined enough, so I was leaving holes to be exploited by opposition when I lost posession. I know I need to change the roles, probably swapping out the BWM(d) for someone more disciplined, but I wasn't sure whether this would expose other flaws in the actual players themselves. Is it better to play players in roles that they are suited for, or try to play players out of role/duty to keep a better shape? For next season I am going to try a different combo, probably BBM(s) and DLP(d). I'll try to train one of the youngsters into more of a DLP and also recruit one and change the balance of the squad. 4. Wasn't quite sure how to play the AM/ST pairing. The two blackburn players who play there IRL get around 15 goals a season IRL, but I couldn't get the same return out of them. I tried SS(A) and DLP(s), I tried AP(A) and TM (both A and S). I tried other combos to no avail. Eventually I ended up dropping the main ST and putting someone else in who fared a lot better and ended up with 15 goals in the end. The AM did end up as top assister though, which was comforting. Mid-way through the season I set my IF and W to swap places with each other. This seemed to have a positive effect and they both ended up with a lot of goals. They were my main source of goals in fact. It also suited the personnel too as a lot of the wide players at Blackburn are right sided / right footed wingers, who can also play on the left and "cut in". This was actually the main reason for my choice of full back roles. I know I wanted my left-sided IF to cut-in and drive towards goal looking to score - hence the Attack duty. To give balance, I therefore felt I had to put my opposite Winger on support duty and deliver crosses in early. This then informed the supporting full back roles. Overlapping Attack duty on the right and supporting duty on the left. So even though this setup put my right sided FB out of his comfort zone, it felt like the best setup for the team. Now in reality at Blackburn this season, they played a wide midfielder as right full back a lot of the time. Perhaps because of this very problem with the defensive full back... I found I had better success with a cautious mentality and direct approach. Even against less superior teams. Against the bottom of the table teams who the game was telling me to play attacking / short passing against, I felt they just parked the bus and I wasn't able to penetrate (potentially due to personnel problems). Again it felt like the personnel suited a more counter attacking approach. This is how my IF and W scored a lot of their goals. Perhaps with a more technical midfield (less BWMs and more CM/DLPs) I could succeed more with a positive / attacking mentality. Thats a lot of words, but I suppose the main point, which many others have made, is that you can't describe the ideal set of roles and duties for a particular formation, because you might not have the personnel to play it. There are some combos that will always leave you exposed (particularly some of the aforementioned 2xCM combos) unless you have some uber-personnel fulfilling those roles with complimentory traits. Succeeding at FM requires adaptation; adaptation of formation to suit players at your disposal (not just the squad you have, but when you get injuries to key players). Adaptation of players to suit formations and roles (getting rid of people who don't suit your style and getting new personnel in). Adaptation of roles or duties to suit particular formations or mentalities (I've still not worked out what the right set of defend/support/attack duties are for different mentalities, or whether it even makes a difference - I see some people on here describing success with role/duty combinations that the guides, and the game itself, wouldn't advise) I have certainly had fun with this formation though - can certainly agree with many on this thread who describe 4231 as a fun formation to play.
  15. Who do you have who can do this effectively though? Vietto certainly isn't suited to that role, possibly Uche is (but like I said - he's currently injured in my save). Needs to be some kind of selfless, hardworking, teamplayer, workhorse striker. Dos Santos doesn't strike me as that kind of player either. Might need to draft in someone else to play that role for you. The other thing that strikes me whilst writing this is that we need a couple of different tactics for when different players are tired / injured as they all don't suit the same role... this is what makes it even more interesting
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