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The IW's will naturally stay wide in the early phase of build-ups even though they are instructed to position themselves narrower. In the later phases they will be attacking/positioning the box. Having sufficient players in the box is crucial. The rationale for positioning in the tactic is twofold. Players should position themselves to create passing patterns/passing opportunities for the ballcarrier, as well as position themselves for the immediate counter-press to hinder quick opposition counter-attacks. Positioning serves both purposes and is interrelated. Often own team will have numerical superiority around own ballcarrier (players positioned closer to own ballcarrier), this also enables an effectice counter-press if the ball is lost (quicker transitions), and also enhances pressing in general. .

Here are the training schedules. I train the individual roles and focus on attributes that is prioritized/needs to be strengthened as well. No match.fmf Pre Season.fmf 2 matches_TUESDAY_SATURDAY.fmf 2 matches_WEDNESDAY_SATURDAY.fmf 2 matches_WEDNESDAY_SUNDAY.fmf 1 match_FRIDAY.fmf 1 match_SATURDAY.fmf 1 match_SUNDAY.fmf 2 matches_THURSDAY_SUNDAY.fmf 2 matches_TUESDAY_SUNDAY.fmf

The 8th season speed playing (just watching goal replays) ended with a treble and honours in the league, CL and national cup. The youth team won the UEFA youth league and national competition as well. The tactic in the start overperfomed in relation to the players in the squad, now it is performing in accordance with the players at the club. It is not only about winning matches/trophies but also about doing it convincingly. Most players in the squad are present from the start or developed from the clubs youth ranks. The players bought are: Summer 2022: Roualt (DC), Ali Ben Romdhane Summer 2023: Lafont (GK) Summer 2023: Fresneda (WB R) Summer 2025: Diomande (HB)

Possessional sequence 30 seconds: Initially regaining possession, transition to counter. Opposition stops the counter. Playing against an opposition established defence starts:

Transition counter: 3 min 38 sec: Truffert (left WB) regains possession just in front of own third: Kalimuendo (AF), Gouri/Doku (IW's), Doue/Diouf (MC's). 3 min 41 sec 3 min 45 sec Possessional sequence 23 seconds:

No, I have not used or tested OI with the tactic.

Hi, I only play with positive mentality and never change before or during matches. This often leads to goals scored late in the match.

Hi, thank you very much and it is nice to see you again as well. I still use the same training strategy for the 1st team. I train the positions according to the tactics and use individual focus to strenghten attributes. For the last save game training of the reserve and youth team has been delegated to the HOYD to increase progress in the game. My experience is that taking charge of training for the reserves/youths and using the training schedules produces better training results. The players develope well with the training regime as sessions used allows for a lot of individual traning as well as tactical familiarity and team cohesion. Bear in mind that both tactics and traning schedules are used in a squad rotation system. Basically I play with two team selections with full rotation. I would not use the training schedules if mainly playing with a first eleven. Below is an example for 4/5 star potential player from the age of 17 (Desire Doue) who has been part of the first team the whole time:

Introduction The umbrella term tiki taka encompasses ball possession and high pressing. It is executed by various managers with different variations. Gegenpress is a playing style that shares tiki-taka's approach to high pressing. However, the methods and purpose of the press are fundamentally different from those in tiki-taka. Broadly speaking, tiki-taka aims for early recovery for defensive safety, while gegenpress seeks to exploit imbalances in oppositions defensive organisation and balance to create goal-scoring opportunities. The evolution within the tactical schools of tiki-taka and gegenpress is blurring the lines, and variations of tactics within both schools increasingly share similarities with the other. Tiki-taka, to a much greater extent, emphasizes transitions and more direct attacking, while gegenpress has to deal with playing against established defenses with fewer opportunities for counter-attacks. This is exemplified with FM23's description of Pep Guardiola's tactical style and preferences: Tactic The same tactic has been used for seven seasons (2022-2029) with Stade Rennais FC. FM23 description of my tactical style of play and preferences are: The description of my preferred formation is due to using wingback both in role and position in a traditional 4-3-3 DM Wide. The thought behind the tactic is to defend in a 4-3-3 and attack in a 3-4-3 formation. The tactic is symmetric and with identical instructions for players playing in pairs or at the flanks. The tactical overview is: The player instructions given are: SK: Tackle harder to encourage sweeping for the ball. In transition instruction together with role instructions gives the GK quite some freedom in distribution of the ball. CD's: Tackle harder, pass it shorter, stay wider - where stay wider is in conjunction with the HB dropping deep. Wider CB's gives the best 3-4-3 structure for triangles/diamonds. HB: Tackle harder, pass it shorter, shoot less often WB's: Tackle harder, pass it shorter, shoot less often, stay wider - the WB's are the main providers of width in the tactic. CM's: Tackle harder, pass it shorter, shoot less often, roam from position - the CM's are the engine in possession both for ball circulation and attacking. Roam from position gives them the freedom to move into positions where they can receive the ball and create and finish off attacks. IW's: Pass it shorter, shoot less often, sit narrower - The sit narrower instruction helps in creating diamonds in the 3-4-3 structure. AF: Pass it shorter, shoot less often - An AF pushing up creates more space between the opposition midfield and defence for the CM's to move into compared to using a DLF in the position. Results I nearly all the time play with Stade Rennais when playing FM23. This is due to huge potential both in young players at the club and for the club to improve facilities/staff/stadium. This tactic is the one that has led to the best results. It is based on an old pure tiki-taka version that has also given decent results. With this tactic I acchieved something I have never done before and that is to win the Champions League in the 4th season (2026). The main competitor PSG has been very competitive in the save game also boasting a CL win and a final. In regards to possession in the Ligue 1 it is consistently around 66 %. The clubs acchievement using this tactic is as follows: Using this tactic this is the manager statistics for matches: Discussion Tactically I am most influenced by the principles of Pep Guardiola, even though asymmetrical tactics is one of his traits. In my books this is a tactic belonging to the Guardiola branch of the Tiki-Taka school. This tactic can also be used as a template for using Guardiola's inventions in regards to player movement/positioning. If using this tactic build your team/squad from the back. It requires a SK good at both sweeping and distributing the ball. The CD's needs pace, intelligence, good one vs one skills as well as passing. The HB is a demanding role, my preference is a physical beast with good technical and passing skills. Please join the discussion in light of the soon coming FM2024 and positional play that can be implemented into this tactics. TeamWorkRate.fmf

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Discussion

Results Possession and passing Attacking Defending xga fouls made

The tactical system

Tactical theory 433 shape out of possession - enables broad pressing structure fascilitating for high press 343 shape in possession build up - creating diamonds and triangles with constant ball circulation in and between the diamonds looking for openings Overloading the flanks - using left and right diamond as a base False 9 drops deep - possible pass to the flanks or circulate the ball in the middle diamond

Introduction

It is an interesting observation and someting I have pondered about as well. Affected positioning should be a logical consequence of applying OI and man-marking. It is about finding the optimum between two purposes: What is the optimal use of OI/man-marking vs achieving possession What is the optimal risk taking for creating chances vs achieving possession and so on.. It could mean that your transition from out of possession (OOP) to in possession (IP) is affected as well. There is possible solutions/helpful measures in this phase of play for what you want to achieve.

A good piece of craftmanship, very interesting read

Glad you enjoyed it, With regard to your question about OI, it is not a stupid question. I have tested it for quite a few seasons in FM22 and four seasons FM23. Results are decent, it is hard for me to say if they would have been better/worse without or changes to them. In regards to matches it is relative similiar to what has been watched, remember these instructions are not absolute and followed by players in every situation that occurs during a match. It is also a way for me to try to grasp and create a meaning of the OI's, to have an understanding and base of how to use them. If you discover something else that changes my assumptions or can be added please share. This is the best I manage to achieve, there is no reason to believe that it is the best that can be achieved. Good question, interpretation of template is spot on. Question about creative players is the same, creative players will have lesser freedom to be creative, still creative players will play and create more than teammates not possessing their attributes in the system, this is down to their ability to do this. I had the exact same thoughts as you about one player in the team, should he be given the extra freedom or not....

I have played the game untill July 2026. Results are decent, some throphies acchieved but not the big ones the league and CL (Barcelona becoming nemesis 2/3 seasons in competition - they won/finalist in these). The state of the club are a hefty transfer budget not being used since focus is on youth development and great prospects are in abundance. In the award for the 50 most promising youth players (NXGN) one year Rennes players occupied 2nd (Desire Doue), 4th (regen) and 8th (regen) place. We are by far the best team in the league in regards to possession and averaging 66 %, amongst top three in CL with average possession above 60 %. During these season changes has gradually been made to the tactics: Roles - SK (def) changed to SK (att) - against teams playing with just one striker HB changed to DM (def) PI - WB's / IW's crossing mixed - All players except CB's passing risk mixed - CM's get further forward TI - Transitions GK set to distribute quickly OI Used as in the last screenshot presented in this thread Training stays the same. Pros - current tactical system are playing very well and how I like to see football - producing decent results Cons - Results against the very top teams (this could be due to their higher ability of players) - No alternative tactic against better teams - Minimal use of tweaks of tactic against opposition strengths (changing step up to mixed/drop off against teams threatening space behind defenders) FM23 version of tactic below (change DM to HB with same PI as described). Relationship between pressing and behaviour of the DL (Push up more / Mixed / Back off more) As the LoE has a maximum level at the oppositions 16 metres line, characterized as a high press, extremely high press above this line can be achieved with OI instructions to press central defender / their defense line, as well as even higher press when their goalkeeper is included. If pressing is conducted at only the high level of press (16 metres line) as in this tactic, defensive line and step up more should be considered to be reduced against oppenents with strong ability to play it behind our defensive line, from the "unpressed area". The same applies to playing against teams stronger in ability than your own team. Mixed (none ticked) could be a viable alternative for these instances. In comparison Barcelona under Guardiola dropped off whenever they could not apply sufficient pressure on the player with the ball. Press at the extremely high level can stretch the teams vertical shape, and here DL stepping up more could be a viable choice. Tactical versions currently used in FM23: FM23 version: Create FM23 version: Restrict

I set OI after team-talk before starting the match. I believe you have to activate them by turning on the position OI for each match. The use of OI is important. I believe OI override TI and PI whenever an action has to be taken towards the player they apply to.

Congrats with promotion from Ligue 2 the first season. Your defence seems to leak a little, which is a risk when playing high press and high DL and leaving space behind own DL. That is one of the reasons of why the tactics I presented has conservative risk approach of ball distribution (passing, shooting, crossing, dribbling). This is a way of reducing this risk, by giving the opportunities less opportunities to counter attack into this space. Also OI are very important, this increases the efficiency of your teams pressing. The following pressing scheme is used in FM23: The thinking behind it is that to reduce the passing options for opposition wider players, by marking their central players from the side closest to the wide players. This is to cut of passing lanes, intercept passes to central players, giving them fewer options which should/can lead to increased success in regaining possession in the wide pressing trap as well as misplaced passes from the wide players. Showing wide players onto the foot closest to the wide line / edge of pitch also reduces their passing options with 180 degrees, effectively closing off half of the circle. Central players being the only players in their strata as DMC/MC/AMC/SC are by default shown onto weaker foot. This can be changed to none (cutting passes lane in front) for teams with focus on playing the ball in vertical directiion (Vertical tiki taka - route one etc.). Or when identified a wide player posing a special threat the sole central players in their strata can be shown onto the foot opposite of this side, to prevent passes from wide and giving the wide player posing a threat fewer options. No pressing on central defenders / goalkeepers are adjusted to my tactical system. Pressing can be utilized if TI to prevent GK from playing passes to the defenders is used. High press + this TI is the equivalent of extremely high pressing.