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hace 9 horas, Michael Sant dijo:
We're not going to be in a position to say realistically because of the nature of the ME and how a tweak to one aspect can cause knock on effects elsewhere, or how another issue may interact with that fix etc.
But that always happens with the ME and, despite this, the developers try to fix the issues, and many times they succeed.
This issue comes from FM22, it has been reported since then with dozens of pkm... I think it would be appreciated if you at least make sure you try to improve it... At least try.
The opposite would be very frustrating... We are talking about one of the most important roles in football, one of the most beautiful skills in football, dribbling, and it seems that nobody at SI takes the problem seriously.
I think two years is a long time, the community is being patient and helping with a lot of pkm, honestly I think we deserve at least some effort from SI to fix this issue.
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hace 2 horas, Michael Sant dijo:
This is an issue we still have under review but more pkm's are always appreciated. This is something that is highly subjective and the logic being applied through the ME would need to be reviewed individually to narrow down where any issues may rest.
It's subjective, you're right. But I think those pkm already show that in situations where they can dribble, they avoid dribbling.
For work reasons, I won't be able to upload pkm until the end of December. But after Christmas I will try to upload many more pkm from 1 vs 1 situations and counterattacks where the attackers don't dribble having a favorable situation.
I hope that by showing many more situations like this, the developers take the problem seriously because, if the defense issue is really already fixed in the next patch, improving the dribbling issue, the ME would be wonderful.
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It is difficult to prove this issue uploading 2, 3 or 5 plays because I can think that the player should dribble in all cases and you that only should dribble in half.
I think if SI does a detailed study of the behavior of IFs and dribblers in general, they will see that they have an exaggerated tendency to look for the pass and in many 1v1 situations they avoid the dribble and they play as attacking midfielders, playing a very associative football. and without the spontaneity and magic that characterizes dribblers...
But if, with all the pkm already uploaded, it is not enough and we are invited to upload an infinite number of plays, I understand that the developers do not have much awareness or intention to recognize and fix this issue.
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I don't have the beta.
But I have seen more than 20 FM23 match videos and I can confirm that IF/IW dribble much less than they should. They rarely face the defender and, the few times they do, they tend to go wide or quickly look for the pass instead of continuing to drive the ball.
Definitely, players like Vinicius Jr are not recognized in FM23 who in real life constantly try to dribble and in the game they do it very occasionally and almost never to look for goal.
In FM22 it was already a problem... Please, it's time to solve it, it's a very important role. As soon as this is fixed I will be happy to buy the game again as I have since the first edition.
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Three matches that show the problem.
Most of the dribbles are to the outside.
Off ball they make good moves, cut inside and look for goal but with the ball I still see a marked tendency to pass or run outside, very rarely try the dribble to enter the box and shoot.
At Baleares - Real MadridDRIBBLES.pkm Sevilla FC - Real MadridDRIBBLES.pkm Villarreal CF - Real MadridDRIBBLES.pkm
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hace 30 minutos, fc.cadoni dijo:
16' min: Demostenes scoring goal, cutting and dribbling toward the GK. 1-0
Demostenes is back-up IWB, but injury crisis in Brazil is something usual; had to play him IF in AMR.
31' min: Antonio Jose scoring goal, cutting and dribbling toward the GK. 2-0
Antonio Jose is youth IWB, same selection as Demostenes; injury crisis hit me hard so I had to play him as IF in AML.
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If those two players can cut inside with the ball; I am pretty sure Messi can.
I've seen the two goals you mention and there's no dribble. There are two passes into space and the striker scores in the hand to hand against the goalkeeper.
The IF cut inside without ball, something they already did before winter update.
What he doesn't do is run with the ball, dribble to a defender and shoot at goal.
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hace 52 minutos, fc.cadoni dijo:
You claim here that something is not working. Can you prove it to developer? Not in me kertiek. Don't hide from other user experience.
I don't understand your aggressiveness with kertiek. It is legitimate that there are gamers who are not happy with the way IF/IW works. I don't think anyone try to hurt SI, but if we are in March and we continue to see Mbappé, Vinicius or Neymar in 1vs1 situations abusing the pass or dribble outside and rarely dribbling towards the box to shoot, we can say it and I don't think that's a reason to be offended.
It is not obligation to provide images or pkm, the mods say that it is something useful but there is no obligation to comment. We are not judges to require other users to show us a complaint, in which case that should be done by a mod, not you or me.
Here he provides images and pkm where it is seen how the dribbles continue to be made towards outside (10 of 11). Is that what you asked for, right? But you have not appeared there attacking him for not providing images or pkm.
Perhaps it would be more useful you provide that same graph of a match where 10 of 11 dribbles are inside instead of accusing Kertiek of not providing evidence that he has provided. I think it would help a lot to show whether it is a bug that persists or is a tactical problem of some gamers that we don't know how to make our IF/IW dribble inside. I wish it was the second option, I would be the first to celebrate it and correct my mistake to finally enjoy FM22
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hace 15 minutos, kertiek dijo:
the complain was attacking players do not attempt to dribble at defenders and even try to win a 1v1 .... all the winter patch did was increase the amount of through balls but they still wont try to dribble at all
how to try this? ... pick psg put neymar messi and mbape as front 3 ... watch them avoid dribbling past defenders at all costs every game.
Same feelings.
They cut inside a bit more, but rarely try to dribble defenders.
IF/IW too much passing, too little dribbling...
Definitely these roles are the worst of ME22
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hace 1 hora, Kyle Brown dijo:
I'm really sorry but we can't disclose potential update days, even if we do ourselves know them.
It adds unnecessary stress on the Dev team to make a deadline that may not actually be possible. I know it's frustrating, and it's not the answer you want, but all I can say in the meantime is that we appreciate your patience so far. As soon as it's ready, we'll get it prepped for release.
I personally appreciate the words of Michael and Kyle.
I like knowing that SI Games is not resigned to these roles not working properly with the ball.
I will be patient and hope in the next update we can see IF/IW play with more bravery, cut inside running with the ball and dribbling much more.
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hace 2 horas, Kyle Brown dijo:
I'm afraid so, we've had it in our database for a while but it's still not where we'd like it to be.
I appreciate on the surface it sounds easy: 'just make IW cut inside more' but with any change to the ME there is always the danger of knock on effects that will be worse than the original. It's far more tricky to test the ME than say a Gameplay bug, for example.
I can't sit here and tell you that's acceptable, I am genuinely sorry there are still issues with IW/IF, but we do genuinely have a team working as many hours as they can trying to make improvements, and as soon as it's ready we'll release a fix to the public.
Glad to hear that you are aware that there is an issue with how infrequently IF / IW cut and dribble inside and that you are still working on fixing it.
I appreciate this message, we do not ask for an immediate solution or that you give us deadlines, but it is reassuring that we are ever informed that they are working on fixing this, if the developers are optimistic about finding a solution, if progress is being made. .. Some communication is always appreciated.
Personally, I don't care about February, March or April, what I want is to see Vinicius, Salah or Mbappe frequenly cutting and dribbling inside on FM 22 and know that SI Games is going to fix it, it takes more or less weeks.
Thanks Kyle
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hace 28 minutos, littledragon84 dijo:
You make a lot of good points, it's at the stage now there's no point in playing a tactic with IW/IF
Let's hope they fix it.
It is sad that IF/IW roles only works off ball and that they have left forgotten in this FM the dribblings, the cuts to inside and the bravery of the attackers when they have the ball.
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hace 14 minutos, Sparacello dijo:
I recommend you return to FM21
Unfortunately I will it, at least until the March patch.
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hace 19 minutos, gergo fmstories dijo:
This is ridiculous. Ronaldo in a counterattack situation - instead of running towards to goal for a one-on-one . He drifts to the edge of the pealty box and try to cross it ( for no one). Game is genuinely broken.
For those of us who love counterattack football, dribbling and skills, it's broken. Attackers are extremely cowardly to face a defender or try to dribble towards goal. They run to wide or pass the ball.
An ME to be good has to allow all managers to see our style reflected and this ME does not allow to enjoy a football of skills, dribbling and counterattack. Football is not just passing and finishing.
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hace 13 horas, dias dijo:
in every game at least 30% of the chances the player runs away from goal and passes backwards it's insane how important this issue is and it seems like it won't be fixed soon. not to mention the inside forward / inverted winger not cutting inside problem too.
The IF / IW problem not cutting inside is only part of the issue, yes.
Drawing a more general conclusion, it seems that in this FM the attackers think very little about looking for the goal and in a counterattack situation, 1 vs 1, with space to run inside or opportunities to dribble towards the goal, they avoid dribbling, they get scared and they prefer to pass, or escape to wide, pass and the play begins again.
I hope SI Games understands how frustrating it is. It breaks the tactic of those of us who want to play the counterattack and taking advantage of the skills of our attackers to dribble inside looking for goal.
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Hi.
I think it makes sense to report this again because a patch has come out and many gamers do not know if SI Games knows that the problem is still there and is going to work on improving it for the next patch or is satisfied with this and they keep it the same .
Personally if I read someone from SI Games say after the patch that they know there is a problem with IF / IW and that there will be a solution in the next patch, I will stay calm and wait
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I think it is the only big issue that has not been fixed with the patch.
The ball movements of the IF / IW are still poor. It is as if they are afraid to face and dribble on the inside and prefer to flee to the corner or pass the ball.
Please SI, fix this. The IF / IW have to be much more courageous with the dribble and look more times for the goal
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hace 1 hora, Neil Brock dijo:
There have been a number of changes to the AI of the engine within 22.2, but as with all things related to the match engine we have to make sure it remains balanced. Work is ongoing in a number of areas, including how wide players perform their roles.
Thanks.
Thanks for the reply.
I will play a little more with the patch to make a more adequate analysis of the issue with the wing players and I will report it according to the rules of the forum.
But I am very happy to know that SI is going to continue working on improving this ME because, although the patch improves many things, there are others that still do not work properly such as the IF / IW ball game. If it is a matter of time, but this is fixed, for my part I will be patient and understanding
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hace 44 minutos, gergo fmstories dijo:
thanks! theres hope :D... are they scoring?
They score goals, in 7 games I couldn't tell if they score enough. What I can assure you is that the off ball play is very good and realistic and the ball game is lousy and very unrealistic.
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hace 26 minutos, gergo fmstories dijo:
can someone confirm that it was fixed with the major update?
it wasn't mentioned in the changelog. I'm scared.
thanksI have played 7 matches and draw the following conclusions:
1st Excellent movements without the ball.
2º They run less towards the sideline and make fewer crosses
3º They still cut little inside and rarely try to dribble inside.
Conclusion: If you are a lover of the game of the IFs dribbling who try many times during the match to drive the ball into the box dribbling rivals, you will not see it. But it is true that they run less towards the wing, really, they run few times with the ball, now they make more passes.
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Thanks for the reply. I'm glad to know that they're working on fixing it.
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IF/IW not cutting inside and not making any dribble attempt
in Match Engine - AI and Tactics (Closed For New Issues)
Posted · Edited by david_kax
I think you have a great chance to achieve an amazing ME if you take this problem seriously and make some major improvements.
In November patch you fixed all the other serious issues. Maybe a bit of the beta chaos could be brought back, to lower possession percentages, but there aren't any big issues in the ME. That gives you a great advantage to be able to focus on dribbling and cutting inside.
I encourage you to make this problem a priority because you have a great ME that allows you to focus on this issue. In a few weeks you fixed all the defensive bugs... I am sure that if you try to improve this issue you can also do it for the next patch, but the first step is to recognize that dribling and cut inside don't work properly.
I encourage you to do it, you do a good job