phantom1998 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) This is work inspired and based off of what rusty217 did with his Welsh EPL teams in Europe/Cymru Premier Championship playoff database. The old firm teams are put into the Premier League and have them qualify for Europe via a playoff with the winner of the Scottish Premier League. Additional English teams are relegated to make room for the old firm teams based on their respective standings in the 2022/23 season. Similarly additional teams from the Scottish League system are promoted to fill in the 2 missing spots left by the old firm. Scottish Champions Playoff At the end of the SPL season the first place team enters into a playoff with the Scottish clubs in the Premier League to contest the SPL Trophy and also European spots. If the old firm teams are relegated from the Premier League than they do not participate in the Champions Playoff. So if both Rangers and Celtic are relegated to the Championship, then the winner of the SPL league is crowned the champion. The teams play 1 round of games in a group of 2/3 at Netural venues. (Although I haven't figured out how to actually mark them as Neutral) Spoiler The European spots are given based on the Champions Playoff positions and then the SPL positions. In this instance the UCL info marker will display in the English Premier League table: Spoiler Feel free to try it out and let me know if you encounter any bugs. For future plans I am thinking about expanding the Champions Playoff to atleast 4 teams and if none of the old firm are in it, then it will just be 4 SPL clubs. I also haven't figured out how to make the Champion Playoff games to be marked as Neutral so if anyone knows please let me know. Alternative Version This is an alternative version of the file, basically the SPL is now 10 teams instead of 12 teams. The split happens after 36 games have been played and there are 3 splits. Bottom 4 teams split into the Relegation group, mid table 4 splits into the Classification Group, and the top 2 splits into the Championship Group along with Celtic and Rangers, all Championship group games are played at neutral venues. All teams will end of playing 39 games in the season. (Except for Championship Group depending on if the old firm have been relegated or not they could end up playing 37 or 38 games) I personally prefer this file over the other one as the amount of games played by all teams are more balanced. Spoiler Versions Alternative Version - Alt version released where the old firms enter the split champions group. 1.02 - Old firms are now excluded from Scottish League cup, also remove the top 3 qualification spots in SPL so that teams don't get marked as qualified when they actually haven't 1.01 - Updated file so the Champions Playoff will always have 3 teams, regardless of whether or not any one of the old firm clubs are relegated. The venues are now marked as Neutral. 1.0 - Released Old firm in premier league 1.02.fmf Old firm in premier league (Alt Ver).fmf Edited May 13 by phantom1998 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom1998 Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 (edited) Updated file so the Champions Playoff will always have 3 teams, regardless of whether or not any one of the old firm clubs are relegated. The venues are now marked as Neutral. Edited May 10 by phantom1998 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 This is brilliant, great work. At one point I was thinking of shoehorning the Old Firm into the SPL 2nd stage (fixtures 34 to 38) but it would be a lot of games for them. Are the reserves/U21s fully picked up in England? I remember having issues with that before but will take a look. You may wanna add "ignore teams" entries for both in the Viaplay Cup "qualified teams" so they're not picked up there as well. Also wonder if there's a way to make it so the 2nd and 3rd Scottish teams don't necessarily think they've "qualified" for the Champs playoff in cases where they haven't. But yeah top stuff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom1998 Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 (edited) 7 hours ago, themodelcitizen said: This is brilliant, great work. At one point I was thinking of shoehorning the Old Firm into the SPL 2nd stage (fixtures 34 to 38) but it would be a lot of games for them. Are the reserves/U21s fully picked up in England? I remember having issues with that before but will take a look. You may wanna add "ignore teams" entries for both in the Viaplay Cup "qualified teams" so they're not picked up there as well. Also wonder if there's a way to make it so the 2nd and 3rd Scottish teams don't necessarily think they've "qualified" for the Champs playoff in cases where they haven't. But yeah top stuff Yes the U21s and U18s are picked up by England. I'll add the ignore statement for Viaplay cup in the next version. For the qualified teams, I guess I can removed the top playoff qualification rule so that this doesn't happen, and then have the champions playoff select the teams by league position instead. This is how it was done in rusty's Wales file. But yeah I had a similar thought to you about the champions group, but the fixture congestion for old firm would be too much. Unless maybe you manage the split to be 3 for the champions group and 9 for the relegation group or something like that. Edited May 10 by phantom1998 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom1998 Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 Updated. Old firms are now excluded from Scottish League cup, also remove the top 3 qualification spots in SPL so that teams don't get marked as qualified when they actually haven't. I'm going to play around with adding the old firm into the Champions Group rather than having a new stage added. Will see how that works out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom1998 Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 (edited) Testing out with the Champions group idea and what it does to fixture congestion. This is what Ranger's schedule look like. I don't know what this would look like if they go on a deep UCL run. But let me sim it some more and see if that actually happens. Also can you imagine if a team is in a relegation dog fight and going thru the Scottish title run at the same time? LOL Edited May 10 by phantom1998 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom1998 Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 Found an example where Rangers went on to Europa League final. Looks pretty brutal but I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 (edited) That's so cool though. Love the experimentation. Although I guess an FA Cup run would make it even worse. The shortened 3x11 split sounds compelling but you don't want, say, Ross County's players to play 3 less games than everyone else. There's no clean way to split up 14 teams into even groups though. This is a bit more extreme but I guess you could make the SPL 10 teams since we're missing the OF anyway. Have them play 4 times each for 36, then add the OF and split (a few weeks later than usual) into 4x4x4? Can the game handle two splits? I think I saw a setting for that. 39 games in total, 3 extra for the OF. Or 3x3x3x3 but I don't know if the game can handle three splits Quote Also can you imagine if a team is in a relegation dog fight and going thru the Scottish title run at the same time? LOL Imagine an Old Firm game on Sunday in one competition, then Wednesday in another. You could give the SPL games the highest priority so they get the weekend slot too, those insanely early kickoffs feel very Scottish-y Edited May 10 by themodelcitizen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom1998 Posted May 10 Author Share Posted May 10 56 minutes ago, themodelcitizen said: That's so cool though. Love the experimentation. Although I guess an FA Cup run would make it even worse. The shortened 3x11 split sounds compelling but you don't want, say, Ross County's players to play 3 less games than everyone else. There's no clean way to split up 14 teams into even groups though. This is a bit more extreme but I guess you could make the SPL 10 teams since we're missing the OF anyway. Have them play 4 times each for 36, then add the OF and split (a few weeks later than usual) into 4x4x4? Can the game handle two splits? I think I saw a setting for that. 39 games in total, 3 extra for the OF. Or 3x3x3x3 but I don't know if the game can handle three splits Imagine an Old Firm game on Sunday in one competition, then Wednesday in another. You could give the SPL games the highest priority so they get the weekend slot too, those insanely early kickoffs feel very Scottish-y Oh I love your idea. And yes there can be 2 splits. I actually started off this database with a 10 team SPL playing each other 4 times with no split. But for some reason the relegation playoff kept crashing so I gave up on that idea. Maybe I'll have another go at this with your idea over the weekend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted May 11 Share Posted May 11 Could be something with the stage number or a setting somewhere else (maybe in the Championship) that needs a minor adjustment after you've changed the final stages around Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1986 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Thank you for creating this mod. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom1998 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 Hello everyone, I've added the alternative version at the top, please check it out and let me know which version is your favourite? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom1998 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 On 10/05/2024 at 18:06, themodelcitizen said: That's so cool though. Love the experimentation. Although I guess an FA Cup run would make it even worse. The shortened 3x11 split sounds compelling but you don't want, say, Ross County's players to play 3 less games than everyone else. There's no clean way to split up 14 teams into even groups though. This is a bit more extreme but I guess you could make the SPL 10 teams since we're missing the OF anyway. Have them play 4 times each for 36, then add the OF and split (a few weeks later than usual) into 4x4x4? Can the game handle two splits? I think I saw a setting for that. 39 games in total, 3 extra for the OF. Or 3x3x3x3 but I don't know if the game can handle three splits Imagine an Old Firm game on Sunday in one competition, then Wednesday in another. You could give the SPL games the highest priority so they get the weekend slot too, those insanely early kickoffs feel very Scottish-y I've added your idea as the alternative version, download link at the top. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJB1986 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 I really do like what you have done and I like the alternative version. Is there any chance you would be able to do something similar with Wales? Somebody allowed Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham and Newport into the Welsh Cup which is great however it would be even better if they could have a playoff for the Champions League Spot and/or if you could get two Welsh teams from England taking up two european spots like you have done with Scotland? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom1998 Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 2 hours ago, MJB1986 said: I really do like what you have done and I like the alternative version. Is there any chance you would be able to do something similar with Wales? Somebody allowed Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham and Newport into the Welsh Cup which is great however it would be even better if they could have a playoff for the Champions League Spot and/or if you could get two Welsh teams from England taking up two european spots like you have done with Scotland? That's already been done my friend. Check out Rusty's file which is where I got the idea from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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